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Would you make this trade with Philly?


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Philly is desperate to dump Elton Brand's huge contract... would you make this trade from a Knicks' standpoint? From a Philly standpoint?

Wilson, Hill, Curry & 2012 1st round pick for Brand & Philly's lottery pick in this year's draft

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5438890

- NY gets a high lottery pick in the draft... maybe they get lucky & nab a top 3 for a shot at Wall, Turner or Wesley Johnson, or at worst they end up with the #5 or 6 pick & take someone like Derrick Favors or DeMarcus Cousins... whatever u get from Brand is a bonus... 2010 dollars are a wash but we lose a little cap room (whatever the lottery pick contract turns out to be)

- PHI gets rid of Brand's albatross deal & get a ton of salary relief after next season... also get 2 talented young players on rookie contracts to replace Brand & Iggy if they find a taker for him in another deal (they're shopping him as well) & a future 1st round pick.

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Yes, it's a good trade for both sides
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No, it's not a good trade for the Knicks
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No, it's not a good trade for the Sixers


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Ira
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2/8/2010  7:28 AM
Brand has a horrible contract and he's not the player he was. Also we're giving up more young assets than they are.
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2/8/2010  11:47 AM
Disgusting.
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2/8/2010  11:50 AM
Isiah is that you?

Seriously though we all know Walsh isnt adding salary. Plus I want no parts of Brand.

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2/8/2010  12:11 PM
although tied w us record wise, philly is going the other way - won 6 out of last 10 - seems they are having a good stretch and if it continues, they wont have much of a pick to offer the knicks w a trade as mentioned above. so, no to this idea.
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2/8/2010  12:38 PM
I would rather trade for Igudala(?) than Brand. Lee is probably just a notch below Brand at this point in their careers (although Brand is a far superior defender) and we can resign Lee for probably 75%-80% of Brand's salary. Now if you want to trade with Philly then a deal of Dalembert and Igudala for Curry, Chandler, Jeffries, Hill, and $3 million might be something to consider. We would get our defensive center, which we have desperately needed for years, and a solid SG. Plus, I think we would still have enough money left to sign Lebron. A team of Lebron(let him run the point), Igudala, Gallo, Lee, and Dalembert would be pretty tough.
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2/8/2010  3:56 PM
AnubisADL wrote:Isiah is that you?

Seriously though we all know Walsh isnt adding salary. Plus I want no parts of Brand.

i know they won't add salary for this summer, but i fully expect them to add max contracts this offseason so adding money won't be an issue after the offseason passes... we'd still have the cap space to add a max FA w/this trade & we'd gain a top lottery pick to take a future potential star... while i think J Hill & Wilson are good young players, i dunno if either of them will either be a star at the NBA level... having a pick in this year's lottery brings us a star calibre talent & combine that w/whatever we get in free agency & we could be setting our franchise up for a bright future, even with Brand's albatross contract on our books... just thought i'd pose it up for discussion... i doubt Walsh would make a trade like this too.

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2/8/2010  3:57 PM
jimimou wrote:although tied w us record wise, philly is going the other way - won 6 out of last 10 - seems they are having a good stretch and if it continues, they wont have much of a pick to offer the knicks w a trade as mentioned above. so, no to this idea.

reasonable concern, but if u make this trade u're likely weakening Philly for the rest of the season as well, & they are looking to dump Iggy & Dalembert at the deadline, so i don't think their lottery position would be worse than ours.

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2/8/2010  4:01 PM
TheGame wrote:I would rather trade for Igudala(?) than Brand. Lee is probably just a notch below Brand at this point in their careers (although Brand is a far superior defender) and we can resign Lee for probably 75%-80% of Brand's salary. Now if you want to trade with Philly then a deal of Dalembert and Igudala for Curry, Chandler, Jeffries, Hill, and $3 million might be something to consider. We would get our defensive center, which we have desperately needed for years, and a solid SG. Plus, I think we would still have enough money left to sign Lebron. A team of Lebron(let him run the point), Igudala, Gallo, Lee, and Dalembert would be pretty tough.

tell u the truth i'm more attracted to their draft pick than anyone they have on their roster... the price to pay to get that pick would be to take their worst contract off their hands... the way i'm doing it u don't lose any cap space for this summer to sign a max FA... i was actually thinking of putting up that trade idea you just suggested but the draft pick was a lot more appealing... the more i watch guys like Wall, Turner, Favors & Cousins, the more i think we need to try & think of ways to get a top pick in this year's lottery.

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2/8/2010  5:41 PM
TMS wrote:
TheGame wrote:I would rather trade for Igudala(?) than Brand. Lee is probably just a notch below Brand at this point in their careers (although Brand is a far superior defender) and we can resign Lee for probably 75%-80% of Brand's salary. Now if you want to trade with Philly then a deal of Dalembert and Igudala for Curry, Chandler, Jeffries, Hill, and $3 million might be something to consider. We would get our defensive center, which we have desperately needed for years, and a solid SG. Plus, I think we would still have enough money left to sign Lebron. A team of Lebron(let him run the point), Igudala, Gallo, Lee, and Dalembert would be pretty tough.

tell u the truth i'm more attracted to their draft pick than anyone they have on their roster... the price to pay to get that pick would be to take their worst contract off their hands... the way i'm doing it u don't lose any cap space for this summer to sign a max FA... i was actually thinking of putting up that trade idea you just suggested but the draft pick was a lot more appealing... the more i watch guys like Wall, Turner, Favors & Cousins, the more i think we need to try & think of ways to get a top pick in this year's lottery.

NBA teams rarely give up a 1st round pick in the lottery. They will give up a 1st round pick outside the lotto, or they will give up a pick that turns into a lotto pick that they traded before they knew they would be in the lotto, but teams will rarely trade a 1st round pick that they know for sure will be a lottery pick. without also putting lotto protection on it. Philly would have a chance at John Wall with their pick. I don't see them trading it away just for cap space. I would love to get the pick or some other pick though. A trade of Hill to a team like the Hornets or Washington, might be a good move to see if we can get lucky in the lotto. But if that fails, I would like a trade of Dalembert/Iguodala for Curry, Hill, Chandler, and Jeffries and $3 mil. That deal would really help balance out our roster, and with a deal like that, even if we don't get Lebron, we can still add a Bosh or Amare and really improve the team to a contender level.

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2/8/2010  5:53 PM
they wouldn't be trading a lottery pick for just cap space, they'd be getting 2 lottery calibre talents in Jordan Hill & Wilson Chandler... not as much upside as guys like Wall no doubt, but those aren't just nothing throw ins.

but i wouldn't be opposed to trading Hill to get a mid-lottery pick from another team either like u suggested... even if we don't get lucky in the lottery & land a top 3 slot, i really think a guy like Cousins would be a God send to this team & be the answer to our needs at the C position... i've liked J Hill from the start but i see him more as a solution at the PF position & looks to me like there's a fairly good chance we re-sign D Lee to an extension this offseason.

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2/8/2010  5:55 PM
NO. Huge NO
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2/8/2010  6:11 PM
10 votes saying it's a bad trade for the Knicks but none for Philly... ya'll don't think taking on Brand's contract is worth having a real shot at a talent like Wall, Turner, Johnson, etc. in this year's draft?
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2/8/2010  6:16 PM
philly MIGHT do this trade without the lotto pick involved. otherwise, no way they do it.
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2/8/2010  6:33 PM
If we could be guaranteed to get Wall, then sure. Otherwise... have you completely lost your mind?
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2/8/2010  7:20 PM
Moonangie wrote:If we could be guaranteed to get Wall, then sure. Otherwise... have you completely lost your mind?

IMO a trade off of Jordan Hill & Wilson Chandler for pretty much a guarantee at a prospect like DeMarcus Cousins or better is a worthwhile trade off... if u can nab a Wall, Turner or someone in the top 3, that could land you a real franchise worthy prospect to build around... & Brand for Curry is more than fair... i understand the trepidation over taking on Brand's contract, but again, after 2010 i don't think we're going to be too concerned about cap flexibility regardless... it also gives u the option to pursue D Lee trades at the deadline & save the FA money to sign a PG this offseason & add another role playing vet to fill out the roster.

just trying to come up with ways to nab a pick in this year's lottery that won't kill the 2010 plan in the process.

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2/8/2010  8:05 PM
TMS wrote:
Moonangie wrote:If we could be guaranteed to get Wall, then sure. Otherwise... have you completely lost your mind?

IMO a trade off of Jordan Hill & Wilson Chandler for pretty much a guarantee at a prospect like DeMarcus Cousins or better is a worthwhile trade off... if u can nab a Wall, Turner or someone in the top 3, that could land you a real franchise worthy prospect to build around... & Brand for Curry is more than fair... i understand the trepidation over taking on Brand's contract, but again, after 2010 i don't think we're going to be too concerned about cap flexibility regardless... it also gives u the option to pursue D Lee trades at the deadline & save the FA money to sign a PG this offseason & add another role playing vet to fill out the roster.

just trying to come up with ways to nab a pick in this year's lottery that won't kill the 2010 plan in the process.

But they are giving us Iguodala for CHandler and Hill. In their mind, that is going to be all the compensation we need. Philly's GM would have to be brain dead to trade their pick when they could get John Wall. If I am Philly, I start tanking now.

In fact, the perfect plan for Philly would be to trade Dalembert and Iguodala to us for CHandler, Hill, CUrry, and Jeffries and $3 mill. Then trade Brand to Washington for Gilbert Arneas and $3 mill (I know Arneas has a terrible contract, but so does Brand and Philly will already have like 3 young PF prospects). They then go into the draft and either get John Wall and move Arneas to 2 guard or get Cousins or one of the other PF prospects. They then would have Curry, Hill, Spreights, and their draft pick to act as C/PF, with Arneas and Chandler on the wings.

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2/8/2010  8:23 PM
TheGame wrote:
TMS wrote:
Moonangie wrote:If we could be guaranteed to get Wall, then sure. Otherwise... have you completely lost your mind?

IMO a trade off of Jordan Hill & Wilson Chandler for pretty much a guarantee at a prospect like DeMarcus Cousins or better is a worthwhile trade off... if u can nab a Wall, Turner or someone in the top 3, that could land you a real franchise worthy prospect to build around... & Brand for Curry is more than fair... i understand the trepidation over taking on Brand's contract, but again, after 2010 i don't think we're going to be too concerned about cap flexibility regardless... it also gives u the option to pursue D Lee trades at the deadline & save the FA money to sign a PG this offseason & add another role playing vet to fill out the roster.

just trying to come up with ways to nab a pick in this year's lottery that won't kill the 2010 plan in the process.

But they are giving us Iguodala for CHandler and Hill. In their mind, that is going to be all the compensation we need. Philly's GM would have to be brain dead to trade their pick when they could get John Wall. If I am Philly, I start tanking now.

In fact, the perfect plan for Philly would be to trade Dalembert and Iguodala to us for CHandler, Hill, CUrry, and Jeffries and $3 mill. Then trade Brand to Washington for Gilbert Arneas and $3 mill (I know Arneas has a terrible contract, but so does Brand and Philly will already have like 3 young PF prospects). They then go into the draft and either get John Wall and move Arneas to 2 guard or get Cousins or one of the other PF prospects. They then would have Curry, Hill, Spreights, and their draft pick to act as C/PF, with Arneas and Chandler on the wings.

that's fair... for a team looking to dump their vets & rebuild it doesn't make much sense to trade away their lottery pick... was just tossing around some ideas to get some feedback on whether taking on salary longterm might make sense under certain scenarios.

i've heard Philly is trying to land Amare in exchange for Dally & Iggy but were turned off when they heard Amare say he might not opt out of his contract... if that's true then they're really only looking at a deal like that as a pure salary dump, so i don't see them being interested in guys like Arenas who bring a longterm ridiculous contract.

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2/8/2010  8:25 PM
TheGame wrote:
TMS wrote:
Moonangie wrote:If we could be guaranteed to get Wall, then sure. Otherwise... have you completely lost your mind?

IMO a trade off of Jordan Hill & Wilson Chandler for pretty much a guarantee at a prospect like DeMarcus Cousins or better is a worthwhile trade off... if u can nab a Wall, Turner or someone in the top 3, that could land you a real franchise worthy prospect to build around... & Brand for Curry is more than fair... i understand the trepidation over taking on Brand's contract, but again, after 2010 i don't think we're going to be too concerned about cap flexibility regardless... it also gives u the option to pursue D Lee trades at the deadline & save the FA money to sign a PG this offseason & add another role playing vet to fill out the roster.

just trying to come up with ways to nab a pick in this year's lottery that won't kill the 2010 plan in the process.

But they are giving us Iguodala for CHandler and Hill. In their mind, that is going to be all the compensation we need. Philly's GM would have to be brain dead to trade their pick when they could get John Wall. If I am Philly, I start tanking now.

In fact, the perfect plan for Philly would be to trade Dalembert and Iguodala to us for CHandler, Hill, CUrry, and Jeffries and $3 mill. Then trade Brand to Washington for Gilbert Arneas and $3 mill (I know Arneas has a terrible contract, but so does Brand and Philly will already have like 3 young PF prospects). They then go into the draft and either get John Wall and move Arneas to 2 guard or get Cousins or one of the other PF prospects. They then would have Curry, Hill, Spreights, and their draft pick to act as C/PF, with Arneas and Chandler on the wings.

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2/8/2010  9:23 PM
Can't see Philly doing this, if they do, then we should.
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