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eViL
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4 in a row.
5 out of their last 6.
.500 ball since turning down AI.

what's next for the knicks?

7 votes
20%
knicks will come back down to earth
12 votes
34.29%
knicks will hold steady playing .500
13 votes
37.14%
knicks will improve and rise to .500 overall
3 votes
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knicks will improve and surpass .500 overall


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eViL
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12/11/2009  11:20 PM
since the rotation got shortened, the knicks have been playing much better. over the last 12 games (since they turned down AI), the knicks are playing .500 ball. there are many factors involved in the resurgence -- shorter rotation, soft schedule, resurgence of duhon and chandler, emergence of jeffries.

with the schedule getting really soft coming up, i'm concerned about whether they will win the winnable games. i'm also concerned that the short rotation might end up burning some guys out. all in all, the eternal optimist in me thinks they will improve. if all goes right for them, we could be close to .500 overall before the month is over.

however this turns out, i'm gonna enjoy it while it lasts. hopefully the rest of the season

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12/11/2009  11:32 PM
4-1 Under Lenny/Herb (twice) in 0405... won 33 games.
6-0 Under Larry Clown in 0506.... won 23 games.
4-1 Under Isiah (twice) in 0607... won 33 Games.
4-1 Under Isiah in 0708... won 23 games.
5-1 Under Mike in 0910... won.... 8-15 so far.

Runs happen. Yet this does feel a bit different, but again so did those. So we will see.

They look good but, again, while looking good, they also look very shaky as well, so I just don't know.

They're a fragile bunch, so, if they lost 2 or 3 in a row again? Much like those other teams? Eh, it's a likely death sentence.

Again, where was this when we were 1-9? I don't want to hear the Al Harrington private team meetings....forcing the entire team to read Lou Holtz's book on winning. I mean, if that is what it took, then... they will just as quickly tank when things go wrong again.

Tonights game was a microcosm of their season. Start like crap, fight back, fall back behind, win in the end. So, maybe...this year, for a CHANGE, we win in the end (meaning, that 39 win total, get the 8th seed, etc)

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12/11/2009  11:33 PM
not sure over the past 13 or so games that I would refer to the schedule as soft. Nets twice but some decent teams. Caught POR shorthanded.

Knicks been playing better.

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12/12/2009  12:00 AM
The most amazing stat was holding the hornets to 9 field goals in the 2nd half.

You could bring up thos small winning streak stats, this looks exactly like the larry brown 6 game win streak. Remember steph was playing really good at that point b4 he went down for the season.

I keep saying duhon sucks we suck, duhon plays well were going to win 9 out of 10.

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12/12/2009  12:35 AM
Play defense, get wins. It really is as simple as that. Sure lots of other things have to fall into place, too. But it all starts with our commitment to D, because that is where the commitment to winning begins. Effort isn't just about scoring (which is our shakiest aspect, such as the beginning of the game tonight against NO) it is about the entire game.

I would not be surprised to learn that MDA has finally come to accept this fact of basketball. Also, maybe management realizes that if they don't show grit on the defensive side of the court, Lebron's joke dance when we "woo" him will make Bosh's laughing at us seems innocent and trite.

Solid D seems to lead to good places. I am actually looking forward to watching the fellas play for the first time in a long while. It's just outstanding. They are actually taking responsibility for winning.

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12/12/2009  12:37 AM
Jeffries is the glue!

Thanks Isiah!

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12/12/2009  12:40 AM
Gotta keep getting the Rooster more involved on offense. He's making contributions on the glass and on defense, and is, in my opinion, the best offensive playmaker on the team. The offense should be geareds toward getting him more and more confident, thats really what its all about for him. The talent is there. Harrington is a solid scorer but streaky, and Duhon is obviously not going to keep this up. I'd like to see Toney D and Hill get more minutes but I guess that's asking for a little bit too much. Its all about El Gallo.
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12/12/2009  2:16 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/12/2009  2:17 AM
kam77 wrote:Jeffries is the glue!

Thanks Isiah!

He was right. Jeffries has been the defensive glue that has turned our defense into something solid. IN fact, dare I say it, he might be our most irreplaceable player. (Nah, I think Lee, Harrington, and Duhon are more important, but Jeffries is an important cog on the team).

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12/12/2009  2:50 AM
Can we please kill this idea that MDA doesn't care about D? It's never been true and it's clear from his work with the team that they're being coached to play D. His use of Jared has been very good and it's clear the guys know what they want to do defensively and have developed defensive chemistry. He said he wanted to play guys that were willing to defend and he has.
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12/12/2009  2:54 AM
TheGame wrote:
kam77 wrote:Jeffries is the glue!

Thanks Isiah!

He was right. Jeffries has been the defensive glue that has turned our defense into something solid. IN fact, dare I say it, he might be our most irreplaceable player. (Nah, I think Lee, Harrington, and Duhon are more important, but Jeffries is an important cog on the team).

i think the both of u have been sniffing too much glue

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12/12/2009  3:05 AM
TMS wrote:
TheGame wrote:
kam77 wrote:Jeffries is the glue!

Thanks Isiah!

He was right. Jeffries has been the defensive glue that has turned our defense into something solid. IN fact, dare I say it, he might be our most irreplaceable player. (Nah, I think Lee, Harrington, and Duhon are more important, but Jeffries is an important cog on the team).

i think the both of u have been sniffing too much glue

Come on, TMS. Give Jeffries his due. The guy has been defending everyone and inspiring guys like Lee to play better defense. He still cannot make a layup to save his life, but he has stopped shooting now and somehow manages not to be a liability on offense. The fact that he can shoot freethrows helps. The guy harassed Paul all night and regularly takes the toughest defensive assignments. Duhon deciding to act like an NBA pg is the biggest factor in our success, but we would not have won these past 4 games without Jeffries' defense.

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12/12/2009  3:26 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/12/2009  3:26 AM
i've seen Fishlips play well before... but in the end he's a marginally productive basketball player, the stats don't lie... yeah i know he brings intangibles like drawing charges & i do like his defense on the perimeter, but that's pretty much all he does well... he can't even make a layup at point blank range to save his life half the time & when he attempts a perimeter J you can literally hear the crash of the brick before the ball leaves his fingertips... he's also a horrible free throw shooter, one of the worst i've seen, & has zero post up game whatsoever... offensively he is a minus & we're at a 4-5 disadvantage every time he's on the floor on that end... yes, he adds some things defensively but there are plenty of other players that can bring those intangibles & still provide some positive things on the offensive end as well, especially at the type of money he's due to make next season... don't let this recent stretch of games fool u bros, the guy has been here for several years now & not once have i ever felt he was anything but a LLE money player at best... other than Big Turd i'd say Fishlips has been the worst MLE signing we've ever made.
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12/12/2009  7:29 AM
TMS wrote:i've seen Fishlips play well before... but in the end he's a marginally productive basketball player, the stats don't lie... yeah i know he brings intangibles like drawing charges & i do like his defense on the perimeter, but that's pretty much all he does well... he can't even make a layup at point blank range to save his life half the time & when he attempts a perimeter J you can literally hear the crash of the brick before the ball leaves his fingertips... he's also a horrible free throw shooter, one of the worst i've seen, & has zero post up game whatsoever... offensively he is a minus & we're at a 4-5 disadvantage every time he's on the floor on that end... yes, he adds some things defensively but there are plenty of other players that can bring those intangibles & still provide some positive things on the offensive end as well, especially at the type of money he's due to make next season... don't let this recent stretch of games fool u bros, the guy has been here for several years now & not once have i ever felt he was anything but a LLE money player at best... other than Big Turd i'd say Fishlips has been the worst MLE signing we've ever made.

JJ was a team high +28 last night.

I agree that we're probably not as good as we've shown- still so many flaws and holes.

But, I'm not sure I would want to trade JJ at this point. Just like you want to keep Hughes (at the right price), I think we need to keep some players around if we add talent. And I'm not sure we're going to end up getting any big names in 2010.

Not all five of your guys can be scorers. You need guys to do the little things, and to fit in with the team.

I think in Jefferies case, and this is why Washington almost paid as much as we did, the whole is greater than the sum of the parts - that JJ contributes more to the team winning than his individual stat sheet shows.

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12/12/2009  7:38 AM
franco12 wrote:
TMS wrote:i've seen Fishlips play well before... but in the end he's a marginally productive basketball player, the stats don't lie... yeah i know he brings intangibles like drawing charges & i do like his defense on the perimeter, but that's pretty much all he does well... he can't even make a layup at point blank range to save his life half the time & when he attempts a perimeter J you can literally hear the crash of the brick before the ball leaves his fingertips... he's also a horrible free throw shooter, one of the worst i've seen, & has zero post up game whatsoever... offensively he is a minus & we're at a 4-5 disadvantage every time he's on the floor on that end... yes, he adds some things defensively but there are plenty of other players that can bring those intangibles & still provide some positive things on the offensive end as well, especially at the type of money he's due to make next season... don't let this recent stretch of games fool u bros, the guy has been here for several years now & not once have i ever felt he was anything but a LLE money player at best... other than Big Turd i'd say Fishlips has been the worst MLE signing we've ever made.

JJ was a team high +28 last night.

I agree that we're probably not as good as we've shown- still so many flaws and holes.

But, I'm not sure I would want to trade JJ at this point. Just like you want to keep Hughes (at the right price), I think we need to keep some players around if we add talent. And I'm not sure we're going to end up getting any big names in 2010.

Not all five of your guys can be scorers. You need guys to do the little things, and to fit in with the team.

I think in Jefferies case, and this is why Washington almost paid as much as we did, the whole is greater than the sum of the parts - that JJ contributes more to the team winning than his individual stat sheet shows.

That's when you have to trade him. His trade value is never so high as when you start doubting your own desire to do it.

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12/12/2009  9:05 AM
TMS wrote:i've seen Fishlips play well before... but in the end he's a marginally productive basketball player, the stats don't lie... yeah i know he brings intangibles like drawing charges & i do like his defense on the perimeter, but that's pretty much all he does well... he can't even make a layup at point blank range to save his life half the time & when he attempts a perimeter J you can literally hear the crash of the brick before the ball leaves his fingertips... he's also a horrible free throw shooter, one of the worst i've seen, & has zero post up game whatsoever... offensively he is a minus & we're at a 4-5 disadvantage every time he's on the floor on that end... yes, he adds some things defensively but there are plenty of other players that can bring those intangibles & still provide some positive things on the offensive end as well, especially at the type of money he's due to make next season... don't let this recent stretch of games fool u bros, the guy has been here for several years now & not once have i ever felt he was anything but a LLE money player at best... other than Big Turd i'd say Fishlips has been the worst MLE signing we've ever made.

Papabear Says

Why don't you give the man his due? He is the best defensive player we've got. He is now being used in the right way and if you still have this dislike on him,it's personal and thats on you. I've got to give Jefferies the credit he deserve.

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12/12/2009  9:10 AM
Ira wrote:
franco12 wrote:
TMS wrote:i've seen Fishlips play well before... but in the end he's a marginally productive basketball player, the stats don't lie... yeah i know he brings intangibles like drawing charges & i do like his defense on the perimeter, but that's pretty much all he does well... he can't even make a layup at point blank range to save his life half the time & when he attempts a perimeter J you can literally hear the crash of the brick before the ball leaves his fingertips... he's also a horrible free throw shooter, one of the worst i've seen, & has zero post up game whatsoever... offensively he is a minus & we're at a 4-5 disadvantage every time he's on the floor on that end... yes, he adds some things defensively but there are plenty of other players that can bring those intangibles & still provide some positive things on the offensive end as well, especially at the type of money he's due to make next season... don't let this recent stretch of games fool u bros, the guy has been here for several years now & not once have i ever felt he was anything but a LLE money player at best... other than Big Turd i'd say Fishlips has been the worst MLE signing we've ever made.

JJ was a team high +28 last night.

I agree that we're probably not as good as we've shown- still so many flaws and holes.

But, I'm not sure I would want to trade JJ at this point. Just like you want to keep Hughes (at the right price), I think we need to keep some players around if we add talent. And I'm not sure we're going to end up getting any big names in 2010.

Not all five of your guys can be scorers. You need guys to do the little things, and to fit in with the team.

I think in Jefferies case, and this is why Washington almost paid as much as we did, the whole is greater than the sum of the parts - that JJ contributes more to the team winning than his individual stat sheet shows.

That's when you have to trade him. His trade value is never so high as when you start doubting your own desire to do it.

Papabear Says
Yea and get what back? some draft pick that may or may not work? One thing for sure Jefferies is not a trouble maker and he will do what is ever asked of him. I think maybe because Zeke brought him here?

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12/12/2009  9:18 AM
nixluva wrote:Can we please kill this idea that MDA doesn't care about D? It's never been true and it's clear from his work with the team that they're being coached to play D. His use of Jared has been very good and it's clear the guys know what they want to do defensively and have developed defensive chemistry. He said he wanted to play guys that were willing to defend and he has.

Papabear Says
Nixlover on the game blog you said that D'Antoni should be replaced because he had no idea about handling defense with the Knicks. What is that about??

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12/12/2009  9:29 AM
I posted this on the thread as well, I am slowly becoming a Jeffries fan. Bur one way players are a luxury the team cannot really afford. Its the same argument as against Lee only I am more biased towards defense so I have a much higher tolerance for a good defender than someone who plays offense only. Think about it this way you need Lee and Jeffries together to make one complte ball player out there and that puts you at a one person disadvantage however you slice it. Jeffries will never be a good offensive player and he is definitely overpaid at his current level. So if you get a trade you take it, a few good games does not the future make.
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12/12/2009  10:19 AM
Certainly they will keep it up. What is different this year from the streaks Cosmic mentioned above is that the team is really bonding for the first time and there is no cloud of Evilness, like Marbury, and no drama, and no media lockdown; none of that B.S. this tmie around, we're a very HEALTHY TEAM, MENTALLY.
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12/12/2009  10:26 AM
Suddenly, the overtime loss to the Celtics does not appear to be fools silver.

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