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kam77
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I take the following things as basic tenets of Walsh's GM philosophy since he took over: He doesn't want to make any moves that would jeopardize his cap space in 2010. He wants to shed salaries going into 2010. He would love to have money to sign 2 Max FAs under the cap. I think most of his moves and non-moves can be attributed to the above. Some of us don't think this philosophy is wise. Bitty, Johnwallace, Briggs, djsu.... to name a few. It made me wonder if most Knick fans are of the same mind. Obviously most knicks fans think this was a boring summer. Are you upset with the philosophy or are you upset with Walsh's execustion?
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I disagree with the plan Walsh has put forth
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I agree with the plan, but Walsh has made a few mistakes executing the plan
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I agree with the plan, and Walsh has basically done everything he could have done so far


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9/5/2009  6:02 PM
Hard to say Walsh has made a few mistakes in his execution of the plan. Most of the "mistakes" mentioned by the doubters are non-moves we've only read in the media, and we know we can't trust everything they say. Those moves people keep bringing up may have never been the strong options we were led to believe.

Boring offseason, yeah. But at least it wasn't a "junk food-like" offseason in which we make many moves and get the same sorry results. There is at least a plan, at least. And at last...


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9/5/2009  6:06 PM
i vote B... i agree w/the plan to make moves to clear cap to sign 2 max FA's, i always have, but i dunno if Donnie's going about it all the right way... i think he really needed to make full use of the assets at his disposal to make sure he'd be able to achieve that goal & not sure that he has or ever will... time will tell but as of now it doesn't look like he's gonna have the cap space to sign 2 max guys in 2010... he'll be lucky to get 1.
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9/5/2009  7:44 PM
I like the Walsh plan, but I'd like to see a few more flashy moves. I think he should bring a troubled home town hero back to the team. A point guard who's had difficulty getting along with his teammates where ever he has been. I think it could be a real feel-good story if he could come back home and show everyone that he's a winner. Bring back Marbury. I'd like to see him get 10 assists, 20 points and 10 dimes.

Second, I'd like to see him take a chance on a talented big man with heart trouble. Everyone thinks he's lazy and that he loves donuts too much. I think it would be a real feel-good story if the fat man could show everyone that he is passionate about basketball. Play Eddy Curry. I expect him to score 30 points a night with four or five blocks and 4 assists passing out of the double teams he'll command.

And isn't it really time that we gave the Steve Francis / Stephon Marbury backcourt a chance to succeed? I don't think we really had enough time to let things gel. Bring back Steve Francis. I think it would make a real feel-good story if two guards with similar and non-complimentary styles could show everyone that they can learn to play together.

I'd also like to see Walsh take a chance on another talented big man who is a ball hog and has had some problems with the law. Bring back Zach! I think this would make a real feel-good story.


[Edited by - basketballjones on 09-05-2009 19:46]
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9/5/2009  7:53 PM
B. I think he should have made the play for pick #5 by dealing Chandler (we could have at the least had hill/and some combo of curry, etc). He should have dumped JJ2 with lil nate for expirings when he had the chance, instead of waiting for better players. He should have dumped Zach for a true salary dump instead of for Mobley - who is taking up a roster spot. Perhaps he shouldnt have taken Gallanari. Perhaps he should have sat down with D'Antoni and found out if D'Antoni was going to Submarine Steph before the season so he could have traded him for anything before the fiasco that turned into.
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9/5/2009  8:35 PM
This isn't even a question. I agree with the plan, see nothing wrong in Walsh's dealings so far, and I think we will be happy with the end result. He is doing everything he can and going about things in a very smart way.
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9/5/2009  10:54 PM
Posted by orangeblobman:

This isn't even a question. I agree with the plan, see nothing wrong in Walsh's dealings so far, and I think we will be happy with the end result. He is doing everything he can and going about things in a very smart way.

Agree with he plan 100%. Would not have done anything differently to this point. He has handled was within his control admirably. There was plenty of pressure and temptation (e.g., Kidd, Hill, Miller) and DW nibbled. I am glad he didn't catch anything. I am ready for another year or two of mediocrity to be done with this 15 year cycle of total suckage.
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9/5/2009  11:19 PM
Walsh's plan is flawed. Instead of targeting free agency he should be targeting the draft. That is the best way to build a championship team.
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9/5/2009  11:33 PM
I only have two problems with Walsh. I don't think he should have hired Mike D' and I think drafting Gallo will be a mistake that haunts the Knicks for 10-15 years. Both of those mistakes were made when he began the job and I think since then he has done the right thing. Walsh sees the big picture and that might even involve the free agent class of 2011.
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9/6/2009  1:19 AM
Walsh is doing the right thing.
The draft is a crap shoot from year to year the top player may not be a Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, Wade or (Lebron?) ie the only few guys to have a real shot at winning the title each year. Even when you get the worst record you can get screwed by the ping pong balls.
MDA was the best choice period. No one else had the credentials and wasn't already burned out.
Gallo will be a great Knick. All those who doubted the kid are gonna be sorry they did. Get on the bandwagon early, cuz the only thing that caused the second guessing was his injury and not his talent, Skills or leader mentality. The kid has those things and thinks like a stud. He's got that swagger you need to be a great player in this league.

Back to Walsh. He's done no harm to the cap and that is a big positive. The hardest thing to do is the not pull the trigger when you have a deal you can make. Just cuz you can, doesn't mean you should. None of the moves he didn't make are fatal. Sure it's possible that he could've made a deal to move salary a bit sooner, but then again we don't really know that. What we do know is that he's on target to have the cap space we need to get someone and you can bet that there's gonna be someone out there looking to make a move.
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9/6/2009  4:34 AM
Posted by subzero0:

Walsh's plan is flawed. Instead of targeting free agency he should be targeting the draft. That is the best way to build a championship team.
He added two 1st round picks this year
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9/6/2009  9:32 AM
I voted C and here's why: everyone seems to consider it a colassal failure when Walsh failed to pull the trigger on the Nate & Jeffries for Kenny Thomas deal with Sacramento and I'm not sure I see it that way. Yeah it's easy to say it was a mistake now (I've been guilty of it from time to time myself), but at the time I'm sure Donnie never thought there would be absolutely no market for Nate like we've seen this off-season. He probably thought he could at least pick up a pick or another young player in the process for Nate... Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a trade like that to make out there with either Nate or even Lee for that matter. I'm sure at the time Donnie didn't want to just give away one of his only young assets like that just to move Jeffries whose contract is bad but not terrible (remember, at the time, the team was completely devoid of young talent - he didn't have Hill or Douglas & Gallinari was basically hobbled/pre-surgery). He probably thought he could do better at the time and who could really blame him --- the man remained patient when initially the only trade out there for Zach Randolph was a second round pick (not even any players coming back, as I remember whatever team it was at the time, either the Sixers or the Clippers, had enough cap room to add Zach w/o even going salary for salary). Eventually he got what he thought were two viable rotation players that expired by 2010 (Mobley retired but turned into the big money-saving trading chip he thought he could still use). Randolph could play and produce but he was saddled with the albatross contract - let's be honest, they were luckly to move him. Nate, however, is a guy who wound up being very productive (he did put up over 17 a game last year) and was still on his rookie contract at the time (Nate's about 3 years younger than Zach). My only point is, knowing what we know now, yeah, he should've made that trade but hindsight's always 20/20, never more so than in this case. Looking back on it and on the thought process involved at the time, I can't say I would've done it any differently. I don't think I would've just given Nate away to Sactown like that either. When you consider the man's solid body of work as Knick GM, if choosing to hold onto one of his young assets with the idea of eventually trying to maximize a return is his biggest "blemish," I think it's safe to say he's done a solid job thus far...

[Edited by - finestrg on 09-06-2009 1:52 PM]
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9/6/2009  12:19 PM
Gm's always make mistakes. Then sometimes they get lucky. Isiah blew it with Balky, but Dlee turned better than expected.

It happens to all GM's. Failure is a part of success.

No doubt walsh has been perfect. It would be crazy to think any Gm is.

THe cap got lowered and the man is sticking to his plan.

Rebuilding is tough. You can second guess and lament all until you taste success.

This is better than Starphuching, or worse a Starphuch GM who thinks he can do it all!

The path to mediocrity is an easy one. Anything worthwhile takes time and patience.

Be grateful we have an owner who at least can afford to see this thru. I know Dolan created this mess but he has put good people in place and cleaned house. A reformed Dolan is better than a cash starved new owner.
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9/6/2009  3:54 PM
Posted by Nalod:

I know Dolan created this mess but he has put good people in place and cleaned house. A reformed Dolan is better than a cash starved new owner.

Word. A very important point for all of us Dolan-haters out here. On the other hand, I still loathe the guy. But if he stays far away from the guys he hired, I can live with it.
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9/7/2009  3:18 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by subzero0:

Walsh's plan is flawed. Instead of targeting free agency he should be targeting the draft. That is the best way to build a championship team.
He added two 1st round picks this year

I will repeat, instead of targeting free agency he should be targeting the draft. Walsh could have traded more of our assets for picks instead of getting rid of them just for cap space. Hence his focus was on the free agency instead of the draft.
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9/7/2009  3:24 AM
And I will repeat that you will never get a draft pick for Zach Randolph or Jamal Crawford.
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9/7/2009  5:42 AM
Well we could've got a 2nd rounder (and a massive traded player exception) from the Clippers for Zach before the season.
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9/7/2009  12:57 PM
Isiah really blew it with Balk. In my opinion he did not expect the talent to be available that was and he wanted to shock everyone and show what an amazing drafter he was. The Lee pick was smart but not amazing. Lee was a fantastic high school player and was projected to possibly go in the top 15 in the draft if he entered the draft coming out of high school. I really like the picking of Chandler also.
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9/7/2009  2:18 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

And I will repeat that you will never get a draft pick for Zach Randolph or Jamal Crawford.

we got Al Harrington for Jamal... u don't think we can get at least a late 1st round pick for Al Harrington in a trade? i do.
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9/7/2009  3:40 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by GKFv2:

And I will repeat that you will never get a draft pick for Zach Randolph or Jamal Crawford.

we got Al Harrington for Jamal... u don't think we can get at least a late 1st round pick for Al Harrington in a trade? i do.

Uh. We got Harrington from a lottery team. They weren't trading us their current or future picks for Jamal.
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9/7/2009  3:56 PM
The only problems I have with Donnie are the deals he didn't do. I'm a little pissed that he didn't deal ante with Jeffries, especially when Nate doesn't factor in long term. I'm also pissed he didn't do the Washington trade, which would have landed the team Rubio or Curry

Overall all though I feel like the team is better off with him than without him. His experience and patience overall is a huge organizational upgrade. He effectively improved the team's future outlook and produced the same number of wins as previous seasons.

[Edited by - supremecommander on 09-07-2009 3:59 PM]
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