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So is the basic deal Donnie wants Iverson for 1yr and MDA wants Sessions for long-term?


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seems that way from si.com and yahoo reports and makes sense with donnie's desire to protect the cap space. who do you want? i'm not even sure, but i think if we're looking to improve the most in one season, Iverson is the more reliable pick here. long-term, Sessions would be better, obv, though still a risk. but if it's all about 2010, i have a feeling Donnie will try to convince MDA Iverson is the play. I'm guessing Donnie might also think the Bucks would match Sessions at the MLE and try to get under the luxury tax limit another way before the end of the season. especially since Donnie spoke to Hammonds this week.
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7/31/2009  1:16 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post/Knicks-may-take-Allen-Iverson-over-Ramon-Session;_ylt=AvjZlgHv41lGkbXtOXfITNeG0bYF?urn=nba,180054
Knicks president Donnie Walsh apparently met with Iverson's agent a few weeks ago and liked what he heard: the former superstar wants to salvage his career and would sign a mid-level deal (only $5.85 million!) for one season. The Knicks are still apparently holding out hope that it can have enough open salary-cap space next summer to lure one of the big-name free agents: LeBron James(notes), Chris Bosh(notes), Dwyane Wade(notes), etc

this to me seems like it will be Donnie's stance to MDA.



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7/31/2009  1:22 PM
to me this will also speak volumes about who is making the personnel decisions right now. is it donnie or is it MDA? and i think if they go for Iverson they still fully believe they can get lebron.

also, MDA is the guy who coveted Marcus Banks, so maybe Donnie is wise to trust his own counsel more than MDA's. It seems to me that Banks might be a very similar player to Sessions - similar situations - both put up great numbers in short stints starting for horrible teams.

Iverson is Iverson - good enough to lead the league in scoring, good enough to drag a mediocre team to the playoffs, good enough to get a coach fired. He's got some baggage, but he's also a bonafide superstar even if he is on the downside.

Two things to consider with bringing Iverson to NY - he would automatically be a top 5 jersey in the NBA and he would probably make the all-star team through fan voting alone. if the knicks are trying to make a public relations push, wouldn't showing Bron and Wade how Iverson's popularity explodes here be a good thing? I realize that's not a lock, but i think it is very likely that he comes here and scores 25ppg, makes the all-star team thru the fan vote and has a top 5 selling jersey. if you don't think Lebron and Wade would pay attention to that, you loopy.
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7/31/2009  1:29 PM
i think you are reading too much into this whole thing.
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7/31/2009  1:31 PM
Sign me up for the Starkcuf'n... Allen Iverson for 1 yr. I think he is also exactly what this team needs in this aspect... He is a true go to guy!

Can we have both?.. that wasn't a voting option

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7/31/2009  1:32 PM
Posted by martin:

i think you are reading too much into this whole thing.

really? you don't think they're considering Iverson and Sessions right now?
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7/31/2009  1:34 PM
Sessions expecting offer from Knicks, Clips
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Ramon Sessions is expecting offer sheets from the Knicks and Clippers, with New York the favorite to land the Bucks' restricted free agent.

Sessions' agent, Chubby Wells, has exchanged proposals with both teams over the past few days and anticipates closing the deal with one of them as early as Friday. The Bucks, who already gave up their rights to restricted free agent Charlie Villanueva earlier this summer, are not expected to match the offer sheet, according to a person familiar with their thinking.

The Bucks are one of at least three teams pursuing Hakim Warrick, whose qualifying offer was withdrawn by Memphis as a precursor to moving him in a sign-and-trade or clearing his $6 million cap hold by rescinding his rights. The Cavs and Sixers also are in pursuit of Warrick, a 6-9 forward who averaged 11.6 points and 5.0 rebounds for Memphis last season. Milwaukee's decision to draft point guard Brandon Jennings with the 10th overall pick also signaled to rival executives that the Bucks would be unlikely to match offer sheets for Sessions.

UPDATE: Another consideration for the Knicks reportedly is Allen Iverson, 34, who would accept a one-year deal at the $5.9 million mid-level exception, thus preserving precious cap space for next summer. Sessions, 23, would require a multi-year offer sheet, but is younger and less risky than Iverson. But a person with direct knowledge of the Knicks' plans squashed any notion of A.I. coming to New York with the following description of the Knicks' interest in the future Hall of Famer: "Zero."

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/16351667


...okay, maybe i am reading too much into Iverson coming here. though i think it makes perfect sense and Sessions has significant Marcus Banks potential.
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7/31/2009  1:36 PM
Posted by JayNYC:

Sign me up for the Starkcuf'n... Allen Iverson for 1 yr. I think he is also exactly what this team needs in this aspect... He is a true go to guy!

Can we have both?.. that wasn't a voting option

[Edited by - JayNYC on 07-31-2009 1:32 PM]

no, i don't believe there's any way of getting both. a S&T with Milwaukee is apparently off the table and that means we'd need to offer most of the MLE to one of the two guys. also, it makes no sense to bring both - they both need the ball in their hands to be effective.
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7/31/2009  1:38 PM
Isola keeps pushing Iverson in his blog. He wrote it into his story now. I don't really think the Knicks consider this as a serious option.
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7/31/2009  1:40 PM
I dont see the Iverson thing... I just dont. Not sure why everyone assumes Sessions gets a full MLE. Maybe 3 years $12mm? Or 4 years and $20mm? Something like that?

I also dont think signing Sessions is a we dont believe in Duhon stop gap move. I think if they add him its because they see his as part of the core they will build around.

Session 4mm
Curry 11.3mm
JJ 6.8mm
Gallo 3.3mm
Hill 2.7mm
Chandler 2.1mm
Douglas 1.1mm

Thats still only 31.3mm

Sessions isnt killing you there.

Its going to come down to moving Eddy or JJ
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7/31/2009  1:40 PM
I dont see the Iverson thing... I just dont. Not sure why everyone assumes Sessions gets a full MLE. Maybe 3 years $12mm? Or 4 years and $20mm? Something like that?

I also dont think signing Sessions is a we dont believe in Duhon stop gap move. I think if they add him its because they see his as part of the core they will build around.

Session 4mm
Curry 11.3mm
JJ 6.8mm
Gallo 3.3mm
Hill 2.7mm
Chandler 2.1mm
Douglas 1.1mm

Thats still only 31.3mm

Sessions isnt killing you there.

Its going to come down to moving Eddy or JJ
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7/31/2009  1:42 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

Isola keeps pushing Iverson in his blog. He wrote it into his story now. I don't really think the Knicks consider this as a serious option.

yeah, the more i think about it i think donnie is probably waiting to see what the bucks do with bowen and trying to figure out what the lowest number milwaukee would not match sessions. i think milwaukee would definitely not match a full mle. but i think donnie might be trying to see if milwaukee would match a starting salary of $3M... who knows?

i still think Iverson would be perfect for what we're trying to do, but it does seem like it might just be a leverage tactic with Sessions' agent because Donnie might be aware he's bidding against himself here. Sessions probably wants to be here, he'd be a backup on the Clippers and most likely be phased out on the Bucks. surely Sessions wants to start and that means NY. so, we'll see, i guess. my guess is donnie is trying to figure what kind of offer to give so the bucks don't match and so sessions is happy enough to take it.
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7/31/2009  1:44 PM
Posted by fishmike:

I dont see the Iverson thing... I just dont. Not sure why everyone assumes Sessions gets a full MLE. Maybe 3 years $12mm? Or 4 years and $20mm? Something like that?

I also dont think signing Sessions is a we dont believe in Duhon stop gap move. I think if they add him its because they see his as part of the core they will build around.

Session 4mm
Curry 11.3mm
JJ 6.8mm
Gallo 3.3mm
Hill 2.7mm
Chandler 2.1mm
Douglas 1.1mm

Thats still only 31.3mm

Sessions isnt killing you there.

Its going to come down to moving Eddy or JJ

i agree with this. though i really think in this economic climate that moving JJ and/or Curry, even if they throw in Nate or DLee as a sweetner is nigh on impossible.
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7/31/2009  1:52 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by martin:

i think you are reading too much into this whole thing.

really? you don't think they're considering Iverson and Sessions right now?

oh, that the Knicks are considering those two guys is understandable. I was talking about the whole, who is in charge of player decisions/Donnie wants IA vs MDA wants Sessions long term.
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7/31/2009  2:02 PM
Posted by martin:
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i think you are reading too much into this whole thing.

really? you don't think they're considering Iverson and Sessions right now?

oh, that the Knicks are considering those two guys is understandable. I was talking about the whole, who is in charge of player decisions/Donnie wants IA vs MDA wants Sessions long term.

my best guess: donnie talked to hammonds and hammonds said, "look if we can unload Bowen (maybe to Boston for their unguaranteed contracts) we'll do a Sessions s&t for Duhon and $3M cash." then re-sign nate to a one year deal and then it's a matter of whether Dlee takes a one year deal or the 4yrs $32M. Odom's signing at 4yr $33M has to help the knicks cause on that front.

Sessions/Douglas
Chandler/Nate
Harrington/Gallo
Dlee/Jefferies
Darko/JHill/(the artist formerly known as eddy curry)

iverson comes into play if they can't get Sessions. i don't think milwaukee wants to lose sessions for nothing, if only from a fan-base standpoint. sessions is a popular player for them.
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7/31/2009  2:13 PM
I vote for Sessions. He has impressed when he has started. He is young and the potential of the team growing together can be great. Without a pick next year, and Duhon expiring, who will lead this team? Get the PG now. Funny thing is this year's draft had how many PG's and DW picked one that no one expected...hopefully he can be good too. If they both turn out good, NY will be in good shape for the next 5 years. The idea is to build a core. Seesions, TD, Gallinari, Chandler, Hill. That's the beginning of a Core. If you can add 2 special players (1 in 2010 and 1 in 201) and some Vets to it, you may have something there. To me it's a good gamble and as fans we see that something is growing here.

As for AI, it was obvious last season that he has lost a step. I think N8 could do the same right now if he could just mature a little. IF AI could make the adjustment to his lessening effectiveness, he could be a very good player and on some nights lead. I just don't think he is ready to step down yet, kind of like Patrick Ewing was not ready. So, I do not see MDA or DW really wanting him unless they lose out on Sessions. If no Sessions then you look at AI as a Starphuk move and they put all their eggs in next year's basket.

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7/31/2009  2:13 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Sessions/Douglas
Chandler/Nate
Harrington/Gallo
Dlee/Jefferies
Darko/JHill/(the artist formerly known as eddy curry)
you know... if thats our team next season I dont know how you dont give DW an A+. I mean your going to have cap space and roster flexibility. Not to mention thats a decent young team that will be well coached and fun to watch. If you get anything from Curry like you go the last 3 seasons prior to last, anything at all and thats a close to .500 team. Maybe they win 39 or 40 games before getting crushed by the Cavs but still. I dont know how you cant sign up for that after what Isiah left
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7/31/2009  2:14 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by crzymdups:
Sessions/Douglas
Chandler/Nate
Harrington/Gallo
Dlee/Jefferies
Darko/JHill/(the artist formerly known as eddy curry)
you know... if thats our team next season I dont know how you dont give DW an A+. I mean your going to have cap space and roster flexibility. Not to mention thats a decent young team that will be well coached and fun to watch. If you get anything from Curry like you go the last 3 seasons prior to last, anything at all and thats a close to .500 team. Maybe they win 39 or 40 games before getting crushed by the Cavs but still. I dont know how you cant sign up for that after what Isiah left
Assuming QO's for Lee and N8?

Where are Hughes and Duhon?
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7/31/2009  2:15 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by crzymdups:
Sessions/Douglas
Chandler/Nate
Harrington/Gallo
Dlee/Jefferies
Darko/JHill/(the artist formerly known as eddy curry)
you know... if thats our team next season I dont know how you dont give DW an A+. I mean your going to have cap space and roster flexibility. Not to mention thats a decent young team that will be well coached and fun to watch. If you get anything from Curry like you go the last 3 seasons prior to last, anything at all and thats a close to .500 team. Maybe they win 39 or 40 games before getting crushed by the Cavs but still. I dont know how you cant sign up for that after what Isiah left

i agree. it'd have been nice if we got a little luckier in the draft the last two years, but they've done a very solid job. IF they get sessions. PG is a major hole to fill if they don't.
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7/31/2009  2:16 PM
Posted by GoNyGoNyGo:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by crzymdups:
Sessions/Douglas
Chandler/Nate
Harrington/Gallo
Dlee/Jefferies
Darko/JHill/(the artist formerly known as eddy curry)
you know... if thats our team next season I dont know how you dont give DW an A+. I mean your going to have cap space and roster flexibility. Not to mention thats a decent young team that will be well coached and fun to watch. If you get anything from Curry like you go the last 3 seasons prior to last, anything at all and thats a close to .500 team. Maybe they win 39 or 40 games before getting crushed by the Cavs but still. I dont know how you cant sign up for that after what Isiah left
Assuming QO's for Lee and N8?

Where are Hughes and Duhon?

i'm assuming one year deal for Nate at $5M or so. I'm assuming either one year deal for DLee or 4yr/$32M range. i'm glad donnie met with lee to keep the dialogue open and let him know he's wanted.

they hate hughes. it was an experiment, it didn't work. they HATE him.
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So is the basic deal Donnie wants Iverson for 1yr and MDA wants Sessions for long-term?

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