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if no lebron, would you have supported 2010 plan?


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djsunyc
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let's say lebron is not in town come 2010, would you have supported this plan otherwise?
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yes
3 votes
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no


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Bonn1997
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6/30/2009  8:48 PM
Too many people make solely "outcome-based" evaluations of GMs. All I ask of a GM in any sport is to pick a sensible strategy and to consistently stick to it. Unforeseeable things happen, though. That's life.
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6/30/2009  8:51 PM
with or w/o Lebron, i would have supported the 2010 plan... we needed to dump the excess fat & restructure this roster.
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djsunyc
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6/30/2009  8:53 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Too many people make solely "outcome-based" evaluations of GMs. All I ask of a GM in any sport is to pick a sensible strategy and to consistently stick to it. Unforeseeable things happen, though. That's life.

i agree with you, but sports is a results based business and 95% of fans think that way also.
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6/30/2009  8:53 PM
Posted by TMS:

with or w/o Lebron, i would have supported the 2010 plan... we needed to dump the excess fat & restructure this roster.

Me too. The point is not solely about Lebron. Its about having reasonable personnel with reasonable contracts that allows you the flexibility to make trades and sign free agents.
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6/30/2009  8:54 PM
Even if we don't get Lebron, there are a slew of other targets in 2010 and 2011 that make it worth being a player in the market.
djsunyc
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6/30/2009  8:54 PM
team could've been restructured w/o 2010. especially in this economy...could've had a TON of great talent at bargain basement prices. that's why i asked this question. there's a chance that w/o lebron, the team made by 2010 plan would be worse than an expiring deal team over the past 2 years.
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6/30/2009  8:55 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Too many people make solely "outcome-based" evaluations of GMs. All I ask of a GM in any sport is to pick a sensible strategy and to consistently stick to it. Unforeseeable things happen, though. That's life.

i agree with you, but sports is a results based business and 95% of fans think that way also.

Yes, results is what we're after. We'd never get results the way this team was managed previously. You get results by having players that are worth their salaries.
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6/30/2009  9:30 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Too many people make solely "outcome-based" evaluations of GMs. All I ask of a GM in any sport is to pick a sensible strategy and to consistently stick to it. Unforeseeable things happen, though. That's life.

i agree with you, but sports is a results based business and 95% of fans think that way also.

you think too much.

especially for a canadian.

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6/30/2009  9:52 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

team could've been restructured w/o 2010. especially in this economy...could've had a TON of great talent at bargain basement prices. that's why i asked this question. there's a chance that w/o lebron, the team made by 2010 plan would be worse than an expiring deal team over the past 2 years.

if we still had Zach & Jamal on this team rather than Harrington & Larry Hughes, how do u figure we could have restructured this roster? who do u have in mind that we'd be getting for those guys to help us in the restructuring?

also, don't forget u have to factor in that we would have likely not ended up w/a top 10 pick in the lottery had we held onto those guys, so we're looking at a different prospect than Jordan Hill on our roster right now at the very least... & also Duhon or another MLE free agent is likely signed to more than just a 2 year deal last year also if Donnie was not concerned w/the 2010 plan.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-30-2009 6:53 PM]
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6/30/2009  9:56 PM
Yes.
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6/30/2009  9:59 PM
of course because it's not about Lebron, it's about clean-slate mentality as opposed to Isiah's rebuild on the fly garbage.
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6/30/2009  10:31 PM
There should be another option, Never liked the plan because it is not a slam dunk as everyone thinks it might be. In Knicks history we have always managed to sign the wrong free agent, so excuse me if I'm not waiting for next year with baited breath.
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7/1/2009  10:27 AM
I have no problem with the 2010 plan. Our goal is to get better players. I'm not sure why it matters if we get those players in the draft or in free-agency. We are now in position to do so. There is no guarantee that we will get a good player via free agency, but there is also no guarantee that you will draft a good player if you have high picks(see Clippers, Minnesota etc). Many of these teams toil for years. There are no guarantees to any plan and no GM gives you any guarantees.

All I know is that we had 2 draft picks this year, have 3 prospects as well as some young players with upside, have short reasonable contracts, have gotten rid of 90% of the guys that have contributed to the shame we have all felt, I guarantee we will work to get another draft pick for next year, and have the possibility of being a major player in next years free agency pool. Except for the fact that we have not tanked every game in order to hoard top 10 picks what else could you ask for? And if trading our guys for draft picks is the plan, how did we expect to do so by trading jamal and Zach etc. Who was giving us top picks for these guys?

We were low and in the dumps. We are building up from below the Clippers. It takes a long time to do that.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 01-07-2009 10:29 AM]
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7/1/2009  10:31 AM
The media has made it about Lebron or bust and some fans have bought into it. It's not Lebron or bust. It's about getting back in the game. Be a player in the free agent market, having short reasonable contracts and adding talent via the draft. In 2010 for the first time in decades we will have a chance to be involved in all 3 ways to build a team. No guarantees that Walsh can pull it off, but I'm not sure there's anything wrong with what he's doing.
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7/1/2009  10:37 AM
What plan???
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7/1/2009  10:39 AM
Looks like the people have spoken. I like the clean-slate metality mentioned above. Its about changing the mentality along with the players. Now, if only we can change the fans that boo everything. Honestly... why were people booing Jordan Hill? That's bush league.
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7/1/2009  10:40 AM
Seriously if you have something you love reduced to junk... you should support ANY plan to clean up and start over.
Otherwise why you would still hold on to it?
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7/1/2009  10:42 AM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Too many people make solely "outcome-based" evaluations of GMs. All I ask of a GM in any sport is to pick a sensible strategy and to consistently stick to it. Unforeseeable things happen, though. That's life.

i agree with you, but sports is a results based business and 95% of fans think that way also.

you think too much.

especially for a canadian.

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7/1/2009  10:45 AM
There is no 2010 Plan.

There is a General Manager working to manipulate his roster to be incrementally improved in the frontcourt, and also be in a position to lure headliners to Broadway in coming years.

That renovation does not stop in 2010.

2010 is just the first year the Extreme Home Makeover has the benefit of adding a nice piece. Now, if you REALLY wanna talk... lets talk 2011 when the new Garden floor plan (and pricing) is unveiled and Wilson Chandler makes The All Star team.
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7/1/2009  11:15 AM
I say yes. First of all there are a few other gems to be had in that market. Amare, Dirk and several others. If we swing and miss on a FA we would still have the cap space to take back a player with a big contract. Also I see DW building a winning roster. Its not just 2010 cap space or bust. He drafting and adding players that fit into MDAs system. Two way athletic guys that can run and put up points. Chandler, Douglas, Gallo and Hill is a nice nucleus for an uptempo team. Harrington, Darko, Hughes and Duhon are short term veterans that also fit. We are rebuilding with a plan.

I thought we got good value in this draft and at the worst a pair of core rotation players that fit in the scheme of what we are trying to do.

Knicks will sign someone next summer. Maybe not Lebron or Wade but a good player for sure. Once they have done that they can also add $$$ later in the year or at the deadline as we are still the MSG Knicks backed by Dolan's money. I just hope DW and MDA are here to build for a title and not just another fun team that never breaks round 2.
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if no lebron, would you have supported 2010 plan?

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