Posted by Cosmic:

Hughes and Wilcox are known underachievers. Hughes is a terrible chucking guard. Wilcox had never acheieved his potential and was phased out a few times along his career.

So at this point I'm not sure I'd call their additions something that could contribute to a quick turnaround that would guarantee a playoff spot, no, not without seeing their impacts.

Tim was playing a good role for us so in some way we didn't just GET Wilcox/Hughes we gave up some production for them.

Let's see what we do with the roster spots and/if there's one more trade to be had before the day ends.

I know you're down on Hughes, and i don't think that's necessarily out of line. What I'm looking forward to though is that what earned Hughes that huge contract in the first place was his role in Eddie Jones running offense and his transition defense. Maybe Hughes can recapture that here

Posted by Cosmic:

Hughes and Wilcox are known underachievers. Hughes is a terrible chucking guard. Wilcox had never acheieved his potential and was phased out a few times along his career.

So at this point I'm not sure I'd call their additions something that could contribute to a quick turnaround that would guarantee a playoff spot, no, not without seeing their impacts.

Tim was playing a good role for us so in some way we didn't just GET Wilcox/Hughes we gave up some production for them.

Let's see what we do with the roster spots and/if there's one more trade to be had before the day ends.

I liked tim on that second unit.. he was like a leader on the floor with those guys..

Posted by SupremeCommander:

Posted by Cosmic:

Hughes and Wilcox are known underachievers. Hughes is a terrible chucking guard. Wilcox had never acheieved his potential and was phased out a few times along his career.

So at this point I'm not sure I'd call their additions something that could contribute to a quick turnaround that would guarantee a playoff spot, no, not without seeing their impacts.

Tim was playing a good role for us so in some way we didn't just GET Wilcox/Hughes we gave up some production for them.

Let's see what we do with the roster spots and/if there's one more trade to be had before the day ends.

I know you're down on Hughes, and i don't think that's necessarily out of line. What I'm looking forward to though is that what earned Hughes that huge contract in the first place was his role in Eddie Jones running offense and his transition defense. Maybe Hughes can recapture that here

It's going to come down to them wanting to ressurrect their careers - even if just a LITTLE - while here.

Meanwhile both are out of shape, have been shunned by their teams, so it may take some time for them to get it together - and again - that's if they want to.

Either way, like the players that were sent out for them, they're rentals. If they get it going they're better than what we gave up but that is up to them and remains to be seen.

Posted by Martice:

What bothers me about this trade is these are two underachievers coming to a team with no clear leadership. We just traded away any form of leadership that we had on this team when we got rid of Malik Rose.

Only one or two things will happen. These players will not get significant run or a leader will emerge from our core group and lead us and our new additions to the playoffs.

I am the ultimate optimist so I think we will soon see our leader evolve and step forward.

Posted by CrushAlot:

I think Duhon is the leader of this team. Rose was brought in to be a leader and he is a good character guy but he was never the right fit for the Knicks. Rose needs to be on a veteran team that needs a guy who knows how to win. It would be nice for him if he could get back to the Spurs next year. My guess is that he will retire. Getting a guy who can be in the rotation and has the possibility to bust out was huge. The Knicks lost nothing in this deal and may have gained alot.

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by CrushAlot:

I think Duhon is the leader of this team. Rose was brought in to be a leader and he is a good character guy but he was never the right fit for the Knicks. Rose needs to be on a veteran team that needs a guy who knows how to win. It would be nice for him if he could get back to the Spurs next year. My guess is that he will retire. Getting a guy who can be in the rotation and has the possibility to bust out was huge. The Knicks lost nothing in this deal and may have gained alot.

From my understanding is Duhon is not considered the leader on the team. Most players mentioned Rose. I know Duhon would like to be the leader but isn't considered one. Nate, Lee and Chandler singled out Rose and Q as guys that they listen to. Duhon hasn't done anything yet in his NBA career to justify the sense that someone should listen to him. Say what you want but Rose was on two NBA championship teams. When Tim Duncan considered you a guy he looks up to then I think it is safe to say that others will say so. The only guys that I heard say ok things about Duhon was Noah and a little from Gordon. Duhon is MDA's guy but that doesn't mean he carries significant weight with his teammates.