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D Lee, Harrington, Nate or Duhon... which 2 would you keep for 2010 if you had to choose?


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Even if Donnie can somehow dump Eddy Curry's contract this year, it seems to me we'll only realistically be able to hold onto 2 of the 4 guys who are going to be FA's either after this season or after next & still have the cap space in 2010 to target 2 bigname FA's. So w/that in mind, if you could only keep 2 of the following Knicks for the team in 2010, who would you keep & why?
7 votes
29.17%
David Lee & Nate Robinson
3 votes
12.5%
Nate Robinson & Al Harrington
6 votes
25%
Al Harrington & Chris Duhon
2 votes
8.33%
Chris Duhon & David Lee
1 votes
4.17%
David Lee & Al Harrington
5 votes
20.83%
Nate Robinson & Chris Duhon


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12/17/2008  6:08 AM
Nate Robinson. I believe Lee will be traded eventually. His rebounding is great but his offense is below-average for a starting PF who plays no defense. I think that Diaw rumor may have some truth to it.

As for the other guy, it's too early to tell man. We have to see what Duhon and Al do over the next year and a half. Al has been struggling the past 2 games but can turn it on when he wants to in this offense and Duhon has been a solid addition thus far.
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12/17/2008  6:20 AM
i am really having a hard time deciding which 2 myself because each one of them bring such unique qualities to the table that work so well in this system... Duhon is a natural leader IMO & has been an awesome pickup at the PG position for us, & that can't be understated... then there's D Lee who will put up a double double every night & is such a great team player that doesn't give a crap about his numbers on most nights other than grabbing every single rebound he can get his hands on & yet still scores at a decent clip, but his defensive deficiencies are just so glaring... then there's Al who's got that fire & desire in him & that "dawg" that i've been wanting for so long as well as that awesome range & versatility along w/playing good defense... then of course there's Nate, who plays w/such high energy & passion every night & can be that all important "X-factor" for teams at any minute & erupt to take over a game.

i think of all 4, i would be most willing to let D Lee go via trade if it came down to it... between Nate, Duhon & Harrington, it's a tough call for me... really tough... i'm just praying to God that Walsh can pull another miracle outta his hat & dump Fishlips' contract along w/Curry before 2010 so we can keep all 3, but i know that's not likely gonna happen.
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12/17/2008  8:35 AM
Posted by TMS:

i am really having a hard time deciding which 2 myself because each one of them bring such unique qualities to the table that work so well in this system... Duhon is a natural leader IMO & has been an awesome pickup at the PG position for us, & that can't be understated... then there's D Lee who will put up a double double every night & is such a great team player that doesn't give a crap about his numbers on most nights other than grabbing every single rebound he can get his hands on & yet still scores at a decent clip, but his defensive deficiencies are just so glaring... then there's Al who's got that fire & desire in him & that "dawg" that i've been wanting for so long as well as that awesome range & versatility along w/playing good defense... then of course there's Nate, who plays w/such high energy & passion every night & can be that all important "X-factor" for teams at any minute & erupt to take over a game.

i think of all 4, i would be most willing to let D Lee go via trade if it came down to it... between Nate, Duhon & Harrington, it's a tough call for me... really tough... i'm just praying to God that Walsh can pull another miracle outta his hat & dump Fishlips' contract along w/Curry before 2010 so we can keep all 3, but i know that's not likely gonna happen.

You described the team pretty well. They are all pretty solid pros and special players. That's probably why they're playing so well.

What none of them are is a bonafide stud. I say keep'em all. Those four plus anyone is a nice squad.
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12/17/2008  8:52 AM
Duhon is a great backup playing well cuz he gets the minutes, and plays in the style.

MDA made a 2x mvp of nash. Imagine if we can draft our own and grow him in house.

We will wear him out in two years, but he is a back up.

Nay Nate is also a bench player who can do some nice damage in 20 min. If he does not get smart and relies on being the athletic freak only then age and injury will make him less effective.

Dlee is a rebounding machine whose 15 footer is looking good, can both start and finish a break. How many players can do that? He is guarding the leagues centers. Shaq one nite, Bynum the next! Dude is a keeper.

Al is playing with a purpose but he does not do this year in and year out. He is getting Carte Blanche to shoot at will and looks silly at times throwing them up. 10 years in the league already and 12 when his contract is up. I like him, but this is not our go to guy in the future.

I think money really decides. If we can afford Dlee then we keep him. All great teams have utility guys like him that does everything well. Does not have to be spectacular.

I think in the long run, we trade Nay Nate. Not without reservations.
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12/17/2008  8:54 AM
Chose Nate and Chris. Lee will be gone, Harrington could be if he doesn't take a big cut, and uh..Nate is a great spark plug, a great burst. I feel that every championship team could use someone like him. Chris has been solid and was the initial piece, the original, the cornerstone of the culture change, he is our Billups.
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12/17/2008  10:45 AM
Leadership can not be over rated. If he keeps it up the only guy who is a must keep is Duhon. He will be JUST entering his prime. With his game style hecan man the position another 7 years. Al will be 32. Offer him a backloaded MLE type deal-maybe a mil or 2 more. He is in the right position to stay because his first year of a new contract wil be his lowest paid in 2010. Nate is Leandro Barbosa 3 years ago. Lee is probably the most limited pure skill wise. He also plays the 4. We may be targeting 2 players that can play the 4 in this system in LBJ and Bosh. Even if we get Dwight or Amare, Lee is a poor fit next to them. Harrington is a better fit skill wise and can play the 3. And Al would be a great bench player later on. I know LB wanted Jefferies. And if we are getting Diaw, Jefferies is redundant. I want to see Curry and Jefferies for Diaw and Some type of expiring. Maybe Bell as a shooter to pair with Duhon. Duhon-Bell-Wilson-Lee-Harrington. Nate-Diaw-Thomas off the bench.
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12/17/2008  10:53 AM
Gotta keep Duhon - he's the engine and it all starts with him.

Not sure who to pick among the other three.
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12/17/2008  10:56 AM
I want DLee, Nate and Duhon.

DLee and Nate are the heart and soul of this team.
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12/17/2008  11:37 AM
This team is playing so well because of those four players that its hard to pick only two. Wouldn't it be amazing if we could keep them all and still add the stud player or two? Yeah, dreams are for free.

I think that all of this players are important, but the two I would like to stay for 2010 are Nate and Lee. Both are amazing players if you move past the point that they aren't stars, but role players. Nate is a must to have on the bench if you want to be a contender. He brings so much energy, poise and great shooting off the bench. This is a different Nate from past seasons because he is playing under control, thinking the game and being active in every part of the game. A guy like this being our 6th man with a solid starting lineup? AMAZING.

Lee is the low maintenance-high impact contenders need to have. He can definitely be a starter on a championship team if the Knicks do get a stud and improve the Center position. The guy is everywhere getting rebounds, he has improved his jumper, is great in the pick-and-roll and is the hard worker a contender needs to have. Definitely would love to keep him, at this point, because his impact on the game is a lil underrated. There aren't many guys out there having such an impact without being stars. It won't be easy to replace him if he is traded, unless the guy is a top prospect.

Close call is Harrington. This guy loves to be a Knick. When he is under control, the guy can do it all. He can post up, he can shoot the three, he can shoot it from anywhere, penetrate, etc. And the best thing? The guy is a stopper on D. Its been refreshing to see him be so active on D. MAkes me remember the old days of great defense from the Knicks. At the right price he would be amazing to keep, but that depends also on who can the Knicks get in 2010.

Duhon is great, I love him, but I think that the way D'Antoni prepares his point guards, it is a position we can develop with not a lot of difficulty. I think we can draft a young point guard and groom him for this system. Duhon may get a high raise after next season and it may be easier to find a pg that can run this offense as efficient as he has than find a stud player who wants to sign here for less than the Max. Since the studs will want the Max, you need as much money as possible.

Pick a PG in the draft and start developing next season.
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12/17/2008  11:55 AM
Someone help me out. All I ever see on this board is Lee is a horrible offensive player on this board with no skill. Wilson Chandler is an all star in the making and is a offensive dynamo. They are both averaging 14.3 points per game and Lee is shooting 55% to Wilson 43. Wilson shoots 31% from the three which is below average. Wilson needs someone to get him shots most of the time. Since Zach left Lee is getting 17 points a game or even more. What other players in the league with no offensive skills is doing that. I would much rather know every night I am getting 14 points on 10 shots than getting 8 points or 28 from Chandler. I know the argument is going to be Chandler is a second year player. Lee averaged a double-double his second year.
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12/17/2008  12:02 PM
I don't think everybody is argueing that. Personally, I think Lee still needs to continue working on his J, but overall, my only complaint about him is that he gets his shot blocked too many times. After that though, he's been great and he's busting his ars on defense. He's doing much better on that end of the ball as well.

As for what he does on offense: I think him moving without the ball and being able to do screen/pick and rolls and being effective is just as much a skill as anything else.

Is he better or worse than Chandler? I'd say he's currently better, but Chandler is a better defender and shotblocker. Chandler has a better J, but still needs to work on his offense, just as much as Lee does.

I'm very happy to have both players.
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12/17/2008  12:02 PM
Posted by King1:

Someone help me out. All I ever see on this board is Lee is a horrible offensive player on this board with no skill. Wilson Chandler is an all star in the making and is a offensive dynamo. They are both averaging 14.3 points per game and Lee is shooting 55% to Wilson 43. Wilson shoots 31% from the three which is below average. Wilson needs someone to get him shots most of the time. Since Zach left Lee is getting 17 points a game or even more. What other players in the league with no offensive skills is doing that. I would much rather know every night I am getting 14 points on 10 shots than getting 8 points or 28 from Chandler. I know the argument is going to be Chandler is a second year player. Lee averaged a double-double his second year.

King, "all you ever seen on this board"??? What are you talking about? Everyone loves Lee. We want him here, we just don't want to handicap the cap to keep him. What's wrong with wanting to keep him at a fair price? Everyone loves Lee. People have loved his hustle since Day One and people have been asking for him to start for years now.

That said, leave Wilson alone. He's what? 20 years old? He's a second year player, sure. But he played a lot less than Lee did his rookie year (when Lee was coming out of four years of school vs one year of school for Chandler).

Real Knicks fans with no agenda love both players, King.
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12/17/2008  12:05 PM
I love Wilson dont get me wrong. I think he is going to struggle because of his feel for the game. He plays hard, he is unselfish but I think he doesnt have a great feel for this offense. He is a tremoundous athlete but I dont think he is a knock down shooter and in 2010 if Lebron comes then where does Wilson play?
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12/17/2008  12:05 PM
Posted by King1:

Someone help me out. All I ever see on this board is Lee is a horrible offensive player on this board with no skill. Wilson Chandler is an all star in the making and is a offensive dynamo. They are both averaging 14.3 points per game and Lee is shooting 55% to Wilson 43. Wilson shoots 31% from the three which is below average. Wilson needs someone to get him shots most of the time. Since Zach left Lee is getting 17 points a game or even more. What other players in the league with no offensive skills is doing that. I would much rather know every night I am getting 14 points on 10 shots than getting 8 points or 28 from Chandler. I know the argument is going to be Chandler is a second year player. Lee averaged a double-double his second year.

That's deep, bro. I think people focus too much on Lee's offensive 'shortcomings', but as you point out, he is anything but offensively challenged. I think the reason is that some people can't relate to the manner in which he gets his points, but that's on them. Get over it. This guy gets his, his way, and if it doesn't fit your mold, why are you here? Does D'Antoni fit your mold? No, I don't think he fits any mold as a coach in this league, and yet, it works. Give it a shot before you knock it.

I pray to God almighty and send a hello to all the Buddhamonks in the place that we keep Lee, he is a contributor and a symbol, he's been through thick and thin and delivered, what a mind-set this cat has. He is our Zydrunas, a defining element of our championship puzzle.

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12/17/2008  12:17 PM
Posted by King1:

I love Wilson dont get me wrong. I think he is going to struggle because of his feel for the game. He plays hard, he is unselfish but I think he doesnt have a great feel for this offense. He is a tremoundous athlete but I dont think he is a knock down shooter and in 2010 if Lebron comes then where does Wilson play?

Hard to tell right now, but I could tell you he has many options. He could be the 3, with Lebron being 4. He could be 4. He could be another great bench player needed if you are a contender. This product is far from over so its too hard to see how this team will look like in 2010.






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12/17/2008  12:34 PM
Pretty damn good question...

I went with Al and Nate because I feel they are the most physically gifted, both play well in Mike's system and they are the best scorers of the players in question.

I tend to worry about both D-Lee and Chris physically breaking down where I don't have that problem with Al and Nate.

Al has actually impressed me with his athleticsm - I didn't realize he was this quick.
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12/17/2008  12:38 PM
Posted by LivingLegend:

Pretty damn good question...

I went with Al and Nate because I feel they are the most physically gifted, both play well in Mike's system and they are the best scorers of the players in question.

I tend to worry about both D-Lee and Chris physically breaking down where I don't have that problem with Al and Nate.

Al has actually impressed me with his athleticsm - I didn't realize he was this quick.

And his defense has been a revelation.




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12/17/2008  12:40 PM
Posted by King1:

Someone help me out. All I ever see on this board is Lee is a horrible offensive player on this board with no skill. Wilson Chandler is an all star in the making and is a offensive dynamo. They are both averaging 14.3 points per game and Lee is shooting 55% to Wilson 43. Wilson shoots 31% from the three which is below average. Wilson needs someone to get him shots most of the time. Since Zach left Lee is getting 17 points a game or even more. What other players in the league with no offensive skills is doing that. I would much rather know every night I am getting 14 points on 10 shots than getting 8 points or 28 from Chandler. I know the argument is going to be Chandler is a second year player. Lee averaged a double-double his second year.

I don't think there's anything to complain about David on the offensive end. Sure his outside shot isn't perfect but it's as good as most PF in the league and better than most centers. All the issues I have with D-Lee are on the defensive end. He's poor, doesn't use hard fouls and just gives up position too easy. I also worry about his body holding up and him losing his athleticism faster than some other players.

Comparing to Wilson is difficult because so much of our offense is key'd off the pick and roll where David is getting 6-10 points a night out of. He's also getting another 6-10 a night off put backs or fast breaks.

Wilson has the ability to post up, to shoot the long range shot and to get his own shot off the dribble. I think that's where you see his upside. Basically what happens if he continues to improve his touch and range and what happens when he learns to put the ball on the floor and create more shots off the dribble. Just seems like he has more upside to grow both physically and skill wize than D-Lee. Remember Wilson is 20 -- I think David is at least 25.


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12/17/2008  12:53 PM
Duhon - as said he makes it all work
Lee - great talent here and improving every year I hope the price is right
Nate - little guy has heart but his play is admittedly more easily replaceable than Duhon/Lee.
Harrington - I don't think he's a keeper. I bet he asks for a lot of money and we just won't have it.

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12/17/2008  1:25 PM
I vote to keep Lee and Nate. They are pure Knicks
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