No. I don't undrestand how anycone could even think it would be.

Can we call a failure something that is not in our control? Did the Knicks fail because LeBron decided his future was better off somewhere else?

No, the world doesn't have to go around LeBron even if he wants it to. He certainly wants every franchise to believe that its either him or bust but as far as I remember you need a team to play the game. And thats exactly what the Knicks will look to build, a team.

If he can be part of it, perfect, but there are other players available that year and the next year that can make up a great team.

The best thing the Knicks have is not that they can sign LJames in 2010, but that they have the flexibility to go any direction they want. That flexibility that Layden and Isiah worked so hard to never let come to NY for fear of rebuilding.

Posted by TMS:

Joe Johnson is a damn good player... u'd be crazy to consider it a failure if u ended up w/a player of his calibre along w/someone like Boozer or Amare for example... Lebron, Wade, Bosh... those 3 are gonna dictate the market that year but they're not the only good players we can end up with.

I want LeBron big-time man. But if it doesn't work out for some reason, adding Joe Johnson and Amare (two guys that D'Antoni's had before btw) to guys like Chandler, Gallinari, Duhon and hopefully two good players in the draft (say Thabeet and a Taj Gibson, a Ty Lawson or a Wyane Ellington) wouldn't be a bad consolation prize...

Posted by Finestrg:

Posted by TMS:

Joe Johnson is a damn good player... u'd be crazy to consider it a failure if u ended up w/a player of his calibre along w/someone like Boozer or Amare for example... Lebron, Wade, Bosh... those 3 are gonna dictate the market that year but they're not the only good players we can end up with.

I want LeBron big-time man. But if it doesn't work out for some reason, adding Joe Johnson and Amare (two guys that D'Antoni's had before btw) to guys like Chandler, Gallinari, Duhon and hopefully two good players in the draft (say Thabeet and a Taj Gibson, a Ty Lawson or a Wyane Ellington) wouldn't be a bad consolation prize...

dude, if we ended up w/a frontcourt of Thabeet, Amare, Harrington, Chandler & Gallo & a backcourt of Duhon, Johnson & Nate, along w/say another prospect like Patterson or Budinger if we trade D Lee, or if we keep D Lee & add him to those other guys, we could easily contend for a championship IMO... it won't be as juicy looking as a roster w/Lebron & Bosh obviously, but if the Hawks can take the NBA champs last year to a game 7 there's no way u could tell me that Knicks roster couldn't do better.

If someone handed you $5000 dollars you would be ecstatic. If you were in a contest and had a good chance to win $1 million but lost and your consolation prize was $5000 you would be upset

If we acquired Amare Stoudemire/Bosh/Wade last year people would be ecstatic. If we acquire him in 2010 without Lebron it will be considered a failure.

This Lebron thing is simply perception. IT was time to rebuild. We had to do it anyway. We have been building on top of bad teams for years and have gotten no where. It was time to tear it down and start over. Why not start over with 2010 as your goal? Why would people want us to go down the same path we had been going down? Why is anyone upset by this chain of events? We have gone from a bad team with no title hopes. To a bad team that is starting over. One that is giving young guys a chance to play and creating trade/free agency flexibility for the future. If you are upset by this you are either impatient, crazy or an idiot

lebron should be target #1.
wade should be target #2.

everybody else would've made the 2010 plan unnecessary.

knicks could've easily put together the clippers roster of diddy + zach + camby via starphucking. that in the east would make the playoffs easily. and would be better than any 2010 knicks team out there with amare or bosh as the main free agent signing.

Posted by Bippity10:

If someone handed you $5000 dollars you would be ecstatic. If you were in a contest and had a good chance to win $1 million but lost and your consolation prize was $5000 you would be upset

If we acquired Amare Stoudemire/Bosh/Wade last year people would be ecstatic. If we acquire him in 2010 without Lebron it will be considered a failure.

This Lebron thing is simply perception. IT was time to rebuild. We had to do it anyway. We have been building on top of bad teams for years and have gotten no where. It was time to tear it down and start over. Why not start over with 2010 as your goal? Why would people want us to go down the same path we had been going down? Why is anyone upset by this chain of events? We have gone from a bad team with no title hopes. To a bad team that is starting over. One that is giving young guys a chance to play and creating trade/free agency flexibility for the future. If you are upset by this you are either impatient, crazy or an idiot

The Lebron thing is *your* perception (and most of the media's). I do not think it is most of the fan base's perception, and we're getting an indication of that in this thread.

Posted by djsunyc:

lebron should be target #1.
wade should be target #2.

everybody else would've made the 2010 plan unnecessary.

knicks could've easily put together the clippers roster of diddy + zach + camby via starphucking. that in the east would make the playoffs easily. and would be better than any 2010 knicks team out there with amare or bosh as the main free agent signing.

getting Bosh or Amare would make the 2010 plan unnecessary? u seriously think we could have attained players like that by making starphuch trades w/what we had to offer? come on get real.