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For how much would you resign David Lee?
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One of our most recent debates has been deciding between trading Lee in a package with one of our cap killers or resign him to make him an important part of our future. Of course the answer to that question depends on what deals are we talking about and how much would we spend to keep Lee here, so this poll is about this last thing. I really like David and he is one of the few good things Isiah did for this team (drafting him at #30 was a steal), but I personally think this guy is a bit overrated here, considering all his strenghts (rebounding and playing smart most of the time) and weaknesses (the rest basically). I actually see him as a mid-level player, but considering he has probably been the only player on our roster playing hard without complaining too much, 35 million $ (7 per year) is my choice, though MAYBE the 40 million $ would be considerated as a last offer. Definately not a single dollar more!
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5%
Mid Level Exception
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5 years 35 million $
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5 years 40 million $
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5 years 45 million $
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5%
5 years 50 million $
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15%
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6/16/2008  4:18 PM
if the Knicks get rid of Z-Ro, then you think about re-signing Lee.

if the Knicks can't get rid of Z-Ro, you trade Lee
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6/16/2008  4:22 PM
why does Zach's presence dictate what you do w/D Lee? you don't give him away unless you can get back value for him... he's an attractive asset to have.

i'd sign D Lee to 5 yrs at $40 mil max... if he thinks he can get more somewhere else, do a S&T.
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6/16/2008  4:27 PM
Posted by TMS:

why does Zach's presence dictate what you do w/D Lee? you don't give him away unless you can get back value for him... he's an attractive asset to have.

i'd sign D Lee to 5 yrs at $40 mil max... if he thinks he can get more somewhere else, do a S&T.
Walsh has a plan to get under the cap, signing Lee to an extension while having Curry's and Z-Ro's gross contract on the team will be stupid.
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6/16/2008  4:30 PM
Posted by blueNorange:
Posted by TMS:

why does Zach's presence dictate what you do w/D Lee? you don't give him away unless you can get back value for him... he's an attractive asset to have.

i'd sign D Lee to 5 yrs at $40 mil max... if he thinks he can get more somewhere else, do a S&T.
Walsh has a plan to get under the cap, signing Lee to an extension while having Curry's and Z-Ro's gross contract on the team will be stupid.

exactly why it makes sense to trade Z-Ro's gross contract if we have the chance.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-16-2008 1:30 PM]
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6/16/2008  4:43 PM
5/40 is an acceptable contract for Lee unless he has an outstanding season this year.
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6/16/2008  4:48 PM
5yr/45mill
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6/16/2008  5:05 PM
Posted by blueNorange:
Posted by TMS:

why does Zach's presence dictate what you do w/D Lee? you don't give him away unless you can get back value for him... he's an attractive asset to have.

i'd sign D Lee to 5 yrs at $40 mil max... if he thinks he can get more somewhere else, do a S&T.
Walsh has a plan to get under the cap, signing Lee to an extension while having Curry's and Z-Ro's gross contract on the team will be stupid.

The plan to get under the cap is tenuos at best for 2010. I think we will re-sign him to 5 yrs 45mm frontloaded. There is no choice or your hand could be forced to possibly pay more $$$ next year if he plays great this year. David Lee is stability on a franchise that lacks it. Im not saying he is a franchise player but he is a stable rock that has tremenous positives. I think David can improve too---that jumpshot from 12 was looking money and his fT shooting is at 80%. In this system he should be able to go 14-10. The only scenario where I would trade him if contract deamnds when into the 10-11mm $ range--I think 9 is a tad high but Im willing to overpay a bit for David.
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6/16/2008  5:15 PM
I think 5 for 43 would be a good number and frontload in case you want to trade him in year 3.
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6/16/2008  8:10 PM
Basically, you have to determine whether Lee is a starting PF/SF. He is an above average rebounder, good passer, has a few post moves, is fast for his position, and can finish on the break. But he also does not play great defense and his jumpshot is suspect. How much is a guy like that really worth. If we can sign him for a 5 year $35-$45 million deal, then I would do it because that would be about market for a guy with the defects in his game. Anymore than that and you are banking A) that he is going to noticeably improve in his weak areas, and b) he is going to be your starting power forward. While Lee is a good player, we would taking a risk signing him to a $10+ million per year deal. Someone else had said frontloading the deal, which is something we definitely should do, especially if we end up overpaying Lee a little.
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6/16/2008  8:52 PM
this is a big year for Lee IMHO. If he can show a jumpshot, he gets paid. The whole defense thing is so hard to tell when all the other guys around him also suck.
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6/16/2008  9:55 PM
Posted by blueNorange:
Posted by TMS:

why does Zach's presence dictate what you do w/D Lee? you don't give him away unless you can get back value for him... he's an attractive asset to have.

i'd sign D Lee to 5 yrs at $40 mil max... if he thinks he can get more somewhere else, do a S&T.
Walsh has a plan to get under the cap, signing Lee to an extension while having Curry's and Z-Ro's gross contract on the team will be stupid.

Signing JJ1 & JJ2 to max MLEs where there is no market for them is a killer for cap flexibility. David Lee signed to that kind of deal is easily moved - plenty of teams will line up to take him.

You don't fix a problem by making another. Resign David Lee to a reasonable deal - yes - Signing Ron Artest to some MLE - bad move.
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6/16/2008  10:56 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by blueNorange:
Posted by TMS:

why does Zach's presence dictate what you do w/D Lee? you don't give him away unless you can get back value for him... he's an attractive asset to have.

i'd sign D Lee to 5 yrs at $40 mil max... if he thinks he can get more somewhere else, do a S&T.
Walsh has a plan to get under the cap, signing Lee to an extension while having Curry's and Z-Ro's gross contract on the team will be stupid.

Signing JJ1 & JJ2 to max MLEs where there is no market for them is a killer for cap flexibility. David Lee signed to that kind of deal is easily moved - plenty of teams will line up to take him.

You don't fix a problem by making another. Resign David Lee to a reasonable deal - yes - Signing Ron Artest to some MLE - bad move.

you don't think Ron Artest signed to MLE dollars wouldn't be easily moved if it came to that? i have to disagree w/that.
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6/16/2008  11:00 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by franco12:
Posted by blueNorange:
Posted by TMS:

why does Zach's presence dictate what you do w/D Lee? you don't give him away unless you can get back value for him... he's an attractive asset to have.

i'd sign D Lee to 5 yrs at $40 mil max... if he thinks he can get more somewhere else, do a S&T.
Walsh has a plan to get under the cap, signing Lee to an extension while having Curry's and Z-Ro's gross contract on the team will be stupid.

Signing JJ1 & JJ2 to max MLEs where there is no market for them is a killer for cap flexibility. David Lee signed to that kind of deal is easily moved - plenty of teams will line up to take him.

You don't fix a problem by making another. Resign David Lee to a reasonable deal - yes - Signing Ron Artest to some MLE - bad move.

you don't think Ron Artest signed to MLE dollars wouldn't be easily moved if it came to that? i have to disagree w/that.

I see a difference between keeping David Lee vs. adding Ron Artest.

I'm not saying that Artest would be hard to move- but he is nuts that a lot of other teams wouldn't consider trading for him.
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6/16/2008  11:05 PM
that's a fair point but Artest is far & away the better player than D Lee, i think that's very fair to say... he comes w/a ton of baggage but at MLE dollars you're not going to get any better... if u could sign Artest at the MLE i think it's a no brainer, baggage & all... hell if Zach Randolph came at MLE dollars i wouldn't even be complaining about the acquisition at this point.
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Posted by martin:

this is a big year for Lee IMHO. If he can show a jumpshot, he gets paid. The whole defense thing is so hard to tell when all the other guys around him also suck.


I don't think our roster is as bad as made up, prior to last season were as deep as any according to experts. It was the chemistry that had the biggest ? and the fact that we had no leadership in any part of the franchise, we now identify these same players from the larry brown era as scrubs.

If you break down these players one by one, they can all do something well to contribute on any team.
Lee as a little more intagibles then the other players we have, but on the flip side he can be xpose with a qtr because of his limited offensive game, and his defense as well. If you PF doesn't have a mid range game your not winning many games, especially with a Center like curry.
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6/17/2008  8:45 AM
Posted by knicks1248:
Posted by martin:

this is a big year for Lee IMHO. If he can show a jumpshot, he gets paid. The whole defense thing is so hard to tell when all the other guys around him also suck.


I don't think our roster is as bad as made up, prior to last season were as deep as any according to experts. It was the chemistry that had the biggest ? and the fact that we had no leadership in any part of the franchise, we now identify these same players from the larry brown era as scrubs.

If you break down these players one by one, they can all do something well to contribute on any team.
Lee as a little more intagibles then the other players we have, but on the flip side he can be xpose with a qtr because of his limited offensive game, and his defense as well. If you PF doesn't have a mid range game your not winning many games, especially with a Center like curry.

Zach has plenty of mid range game - in fact, that is where he thrives. So why didn't we win games last year
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6/17/2008  5:29 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by knicks1248:
Posted by martin:

this is a big year for Lee IMHO. If he can show a jumpshot, he gets paid. The whole defense thing is so hard to tell when all the other guys around him also suck.


I don't think our roster is as bad as made up, prior to last season were as deep as any according to experts. It was the chemistry that had the biggest ? and the fact that we had no leadership in any part of the franchise, we now identify these same players from the larry brown era as scrubs.

If you break down these players one by one, they can all do something well to contribute on any team.
Lee as a little more intagibles then the other players we have, but on the flip side he can be xpose with a qtr because of his limited offensive game, and his defense as well. If you PF doesn't have a mid range game your not winning many games, especially with a Center like curry.

Zach has plenty of mid range game - in fact, that is where he thrives. So why didn't we win games last year

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