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Portland Trailblazers or the New York Knicks


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islesfan
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Knowing that Oden is out for the year with microfracture, which roster and situation would you rather have right now and going forward?
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50%
Blazers
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50%
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VDesai
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9/13/2007  11:40 PM
I thought this poll would be, who had the worse day...as it was I voted Blazers.
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9/14/2007  1:11 AM
Blazers... they'll get Oden back eventually with plenty of time to heal. He won't hit his full ceiling, but Amare looks good and his situation was handled like this one will get handled. Then, the Blazers got Brandon Roy (a future stud) and LaMarcus Aldridge (not too shabby). They also had a very underrated draft and McRoberts looks like he could be a steal. I like Jack and Frye should fit nicely with LMA.

Compare that to the NY "basketball team." It's abundantly clear that the only thing this organization cares about is hitting the back pages. Unbelievable.
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9/14/2007  6:00 AM
LOL

the trailblazer situation just shows that nothing is guaranteed in life or the nba. If I am a Portland fan, I worried, really worried. You throw out names like Amare and even Zach as players who recover from micro fracture like it's a given. Totally forgetting about the dozens of other talents that have been lost due to this surgery. Amare seems to be the anomaly and it would be silly to make it a given that Oden recovers. The knicks have young players and people like marbury will be gone in two years. So where is the problem ? Speaking of steals in the draft, some could say nichols could be a steal. We didn't do as bad as some of you would like us to believe.
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9/14/2007  6:24 AM
The thing that has me nervous about Portland's situation is that this is Oden's second serious inury in two years.
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9/14/2007  8:09 AM
Portland--they have at least a 50% chance of Oden turning into a franchise player, we have very close to a 0% chance of anyone on our roster turning into one.
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9/14/2007  8:10 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Portland--they have at least a 50% chance of Oden turning into a franchise player, we have very close to a 0% chance of anyone on our roster turning into one.
And they have backup opportunities that we don't have (lottery picked players developing and future lottery picks, a reasonable payroll allowing the opportunity to get under the cap). If the voting is 9 to 9 on a KNICKS board, you know that Portland has the better roster situation.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 09-14-2007 08:11 AM]
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9/14/2007  2:50 PM
Well I think it's kind oof a toss-up. It was never a given Oden is/was going to be a franchise talent. Then it's not a given that he's going to come back at full steam. So 50% is quite generous. Which is a nice biopsy of this board in particular. If this poll was done on another Knicks board I'd agree but this one seems to have jsut as many fans of other teams or people who plain want this team to flop as it does fans.
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Portland--they have at least a 50% chance of Oden turning into a franchise player, we have very close to a 0% chance of anyone on our roster turning into one.
And they have backup opportunities that we don't have (lottery picked players developing and future lottery picks, a reasonable payroll allowing the opportunity to get under the cap). If the voting is 9 to 9 on a KNICKS board, you know that Portland has the better roster situation.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 09-14-2007 08:11 AM]

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9/14/2007  3:00 PM
I don't even believe what i am reading half the time here.

They have Bradon Roy who by the way is better than any guard on this entire team. Aldrige who is a pretty serviceable big man whom they could probably package with frye to get a very nice player now that Frye will play his natural position.

Oden will play and play well and be a defensive force, and they will have another nice lottery pick to add to the team and have cap room lined up and an actual nucleus.

We have guys you can't move, that don't take defense seriously.

Balkman, Collins, Lee and Q are all great to have in my book the rest of the team is a serious ?
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9/14/2007  3:47 PM
this one seems to have jsut as many fans of other teams
Who? I haven't come across one poster that that would apply to.
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9/14/2007  3:52 PM
I have to go with the Knicks because they simply play in the EC which means everyone has a chance to win. Blazers will have a tough road ahead they have to learn to win they have to get by some of the tougher teams, Spurs, Suns, Mavs. Knicks on the other hand have a an easy road paved for them if they stay relatively healthy they will make the playoffs. They were on their way last year so this year they should absolutely make the playoffs. Go with the Knicks because they have veterans and the Blazers don't and last I looked Vet teams fair better than the younger teams.
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9/14/2007  4:01 PM
How are the Knicks going to make the playoffs.

Boston is better and will be there, so one team isn't going to make it from the top 8 last year. The bobcats added jason richardson and the knicks couldn't guard them. The Bucks are healthy and deeper, as are the hawks. The knicks don't have a defensive stopper for those teams who all have quick guards the knicks can't hold

The knicks would have never made the playoffs if they were healthy last year, and we have a problem with getting everyone minutes, so from that standpoint
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9/14/2007  4:05 PM
POrtland will get another lottery pick if then tank again.
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9/14/2007  5:08 PM
Posted by MS:

How are the Knicks going to make the playoffs.

Boston is better and will be there, so one team isn't going to make it from the top 8 last year. The bobcats added jason richardson and the knicks couldn't guard them. The Bucks are healthy and deeper, as are the hawks. The knicks don't have a defensive stopper for those teams who all have quick guards the knicks can't hold

The knicks would have never made the playoffs if they were healthy last year, and we have a problem with getting everyone minutes, so from that standpoint

The Knicks got better too. Unfortunately everyone here is a grass is greener elsewhere person. The Knicks were going to make the playoffs last year how easily you guys discount the teams accomplisments from last year. The Knicks were actually making way through the seedings last year and weren't to far from getting involved with the 5 and 6th seed. It was unfortuante the injuries happened and that is what cost the team. If anyone was following power ranking last year the Knicks were on the rise until the injuries decimated the team. Stop crying about a defensive stopper they got stoppers Balkman is a stopper, Q-Rich, MArdy has capabilities of being a stopper, Marbury actually learned to play decent defense. Curry will get better at being a stopper. Who the hell do the celtic have thats any good at stopping anyone. KG his defense is toilet paper thin he has trouble stopping players but you guys just want to see his 2 blocks per game and make it like he is a true defensive stopper, thats a joke.

Everyone here wants to keep looking a tlast year but forget last year it should have taught you guys that the Knicks actually got better, And this is a brand new season coming, the knicks are right on everyones level right now Celtic might be a little better, but I like the kNicks chances against anyone in the EC.

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9/14/2007  5:24 PM
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9/14/2007  5:26 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by MS:

How are the Knicks going to make the playoffs.

Boston is better and will be there, so one team isn't going to make it from the top 8 last year. The bobcats added jason richardson and the knicks couldn't guard them. The Bucks are healthy and deeper, as are the hawks. The knicks don't have a defensive stopper for those teams who all have quick guards the knicks can't hold

The knicks would have never made the playoffs if they were healthy last year, and we have a problem with getting everyone minutes, so from that standpoint

The Knicks got better too. Unfortunately everyone here is a grass is greener elsewhere person. The Knicks were going to make the playoffs last year how easily you guys discount the teams accomplisments from last year. The Knicks were actually making way through the seedings last year and weren't to far from getting involved with the 5 and 6th seed. It was unfortuante the injuries happened and that is what cost the team. If anyone was following power ranking last year the Knicks were on the rise until the injuries decimated the team. Stop crying about a defensive stopper they got stoppers Balkman is a stopper, Q-Rich, MArdy has capabilities of being a stopper, Marbury actually learned to play decent defense. Curry will get better at being a stopper. Who the hell do the celtic have thats any good at stopping anyone. KG his defense is toilet paper thin he has trouble stopping players but you guys just want to see his 2 blocks per game and make it like he is a true defensive stopper, thats a joke.

Everyone here wants to keep looking a tlast year but forget last year it should have taught you guys that the Knicks actually got better, And this is a brand new season coming, the knicks are right on everyones level right now Celtic might be a little better, but I like the kNicks chances against anyone in the EC.

That's a load of crap. They didn't make the playoffs because they weren't good enough. Period.

You make it sound like something extraordinary happened to them that didn't happen to anybody else, which caused them to miss the playoffs through no fault of their own.
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9/14/2007  5:51 PM
Posted by MS:

How are the Knicks going to make the playoffs.

Boston is better and will be there, so one team isn't going to make it from the top 8 last year. The bobcats added jason richardson and the knicks couldn't guard them. The Bucks are healthy and deeper, as are the hawks. The knicks don't have a defensive stopper for those teams who all have quick guards the knicks can't hold

The knicks would have never made the playoffs if they were healthy last year, and we have a problem with getting everyone minutes, so from that standpoint


This team won't come close to making the playoffs many of us haven't EMBRACED this yet. We don't have any elite two-way players, very limited BB IQ players, and a REDUNDANT CLUSTERSTARPHUCKED roster. The only we do have is depth but it doesn't show up if injuries arise.
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9/14/2007  6:06 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by MS:

How are the Knicks going to make the playoffs.

Boston is better and will be there, so one team isn't going to make it from the top 8 last year. The bobcats added jason richardson and the knicks couldn't guard them. The Bucks are healthy and deeper, as are the hawks. The knicks don't have a defensive stopper for those teams who all have quick guards the knicks can't hold

The knicks would have never made the playoffs if they were healthy last year, and we have a problem with getting everyone minutes, so from that standpoint

The Knicks got better too. Unfortunately everyone here is a grass is greener elsewhere person. The Knicks were going to make the playoffs last year how easily you guys discount the teams accomplisments from last year. The Knicks were actually making way through the seedings last year and weren't to far from getting involved with the 5 and 6th seed. It was unfortuante the injuries happened and that is what cost the team. If anyone was following power ranking last year the Knicks were on the rise until the injuries decimated the team. Stop crying about a defensive stopper they got stoppers Balkman is a stopper, Q-Rich, MArdy has capabilities of being a stopper, Marbury actually learned to play decent defense. Curry will get better at being a stopper. Who the hell do the celtic have thats any good at stopping anyone. KG his defense is toilet paper thin he has trouble stopping players but you guys just want to see his 2 blocks per game and make it like he is a true defensive stopper, thats a joke.

Everyone here wants to keep looking a tlast year but forget last year it should have taught you guys that the Knicks actually got better, And this is a brand new season coming, the knicks are right on everyones level right now Celtic might be a little better, but I like the kNicks chances against anyone in the EC.

That's a load of crap. They didn't make the playoffs because they weren't good enough. Period.

You make it sound like something extraordinary happened to them that didn't happen to anybody else, which caused them to miss the playoffs through no fault of their own.

Glad to see you back in true form. You really want to try and paint our situation as normal or somehow common place for teams that made the playoffs, since that is who we're comparing the Knicks to? The only reason Wash still made it is cuz they had enough of a cushion to still make it in. They too were decimated by injuries. Now we still had Curry and a hurting Steph, but let's not make it seem like the team was in great shape after losing as many of our best players as we did ALL AT ONCE!!! This is the part that keeps getting ignored. It's not about other teams having similar or more injuries over the course of the season. It's the timing of our injuries. Up until the injuries this team was improving.

None of this is important now anyway. The thing is that the Blazers have a great headstart on a good team with the young players they have. I think Oden still has a shot to be very good and I hope this is the last of his knee woes, tho I think he may just be cursed with bad ones. The rest of the Blazers make for an OK team, but without him they're nothing special. Especially out West.

As for the Knicks, I think we've got a very good deal of talent ourselves. We just need to work on refining the roster and meshing this talent. Hopefully we can settle our PG issue at some point over the next 2 seasons. That to me is the last thing we have to address in terms of roster make up. I feel good about what we have at every other position. I think we matchup well against any team in the league at C/PF. We'll see how our young SG/SF's develop, but I like what we have in Balkman, Chandler and Nichols. There are no locks that all these guys will work out, but that goes for Portland too.
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9/14/2007  9:28 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by MS:

How are the Knicks going to make the playoffs.

Boston is better and will be there, so one team isn't going to make it from the top 8 last year. The bobcats added jason richardson and the knicks couldn't guard them. The Bucks are healthy and deeper, as are the hawks. The knicks don't have a defensive stopper for those teams who all have quick guards the knicks can't hold

The knicks would have never made the playoffs if they were healthy last year, and we have a problem with getting everyone minutes, so from that standpoint

The Knicks got better too. Unfortunately everyone here is a grass is greener elsewhere person. The Knicks were going to make the playoffs last year how easily you guys discount the teams accomplisments from last year. The Knicks were actually making way through the seedings last year and weren't to far from getting involved with the 5 and 6th seed. It was unfortuante the injuries happened and that is what cost the team. If anyone was following power ranking last year the Knicks were on the rise until the injuries decimated the team. Stop crying about a defensive stopper they got stoppers Balkman is a stopper, Q-Rich, MArdy has capabilities of being a stopper, Marbury actually learned to play decent defense. Curry will get better at being a stopper. Who the hell do the celtic have thats any good at stopping anyone. KG his defense is toilet paper thin he has trouble stopping players but you guys just want to see his 2 blocks per game and make it like he is a true defensive stopper, thats a joke.

Everyone here wants to keep looking a tlast year but forget last year it should have taught you guys that the Knicks actually got better, And this is a brand new season coming, the knicks are right on everyones level right now Celtic might be a little better, but I like the kNicks chances against anyone in the EC.

That's a load of crap. They didn't make the playoffs because they weren't good enough. Period.

You make it sound like something extraordinary happened to them that didn't happen to anybody else, which caused them to miss the playoffs through no fault of their own.


Isles no one really takes anything you say seriously anymore its more hate with you than anything when things don't go your way you tend to dwell on the negatives to a fault. Your a blind hater, if progress came and bit you on your arse you wouldn't know it because you are a hater you have been for a long time. You can find negativity in winning and a team going in the right direction. The Knicks made progress last year your blindness or the drugs you doing won't let you see it.
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9/14/2007  10:12 PM
You're speaking for everyone VMart? I'd bet the majority of the board thinks "the Isles perspective" is right. (I think there was a poll on this a few months ago actually.)
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9/14/2007  11:37 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

You're speaking for everyone VMart? I'd bet the majority of the board thinks "the Isles perspective" is right. (I think there was a poll on this a few months ago actually.)

Isles posted that poll at a time when the team was reeling from injuries. and i still believe he only got 45%. He should hold elections again at mid-season.
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