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Simplify the debate: Who wins more in 07-08


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JohnWallace44
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Who will win more games in the 07-08 season? The Knicks with their current roster or the Celts with their current roster?
11 votes
26.83%
Knicks
30 votes
73.17%
Celtics


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islesfan
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7/31/2007  12:40 AM
With or without KG, the Celts win more games than the Knicks this year.
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7/31/2007  12:44 AM
I voted Celtics. 30, 31, and 32. They will be a very good squad. No shame in having them outpace us in wins for the next year or two. They don't have any future though.
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7/31/2007  12:56 AM
I don't buy the hype, didn't buy it when the Sixers got Webber either. You can't toss trash on the floor at the 1 and 4 spots let alone the bench and expect to be serious contenders. All the teams that have been in it for the title in the past few years have had future stars (Barbosa, Harris) or former stars (Finley, Stackhouse) coming off of the bench.
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7/31/2007  12:58 AM
I'm not so sure they win more games. It would seem that they should but there's a good chance that they may experience some chemistry problems. I predict they'll be on the defensive end. While we have to mesh Zach into things, I don't think it's nearly as hard as what the Celts will have to deal with. Their whole team will have major adjustments. So far we've mainly heard how good the team should be, but that's not taking into account some reall issues they'll have to deal with.

1. How does the bench perform, considering how weak it is and that they will have to get used to the rotation patterns, heck they'll have to develop a rotation period.

2. The competition is stiffer this year and they won't be cut any slack. teams will get up for them and look to prove themselves against this new juggernaut.

3. Once they face any foul trouble they have nothing to fall back on. They're top heavy and I don't think that's gonna work over 82 games.

4. Can they find a PG that is competent enough to run the team? is Rondo a guy they can trust to take them far into the playoffs?

5. Will they be able to withstand any injury? The old guys may be fine, but what about if one of them twists an ankle? Who fills in and keeps them going till they get back?
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7/31/2007  1:03 AM
They will probably win more games if KG, Allen, and Pierce stay healthy and all play at least 70 games, which is far from a guarantee. The real question is can be beat out Orlando, the Bobcats, and whoever else for the 8th spot. That is all that matters.
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islesfan
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7/31/2007  1:20 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

I don't buy the hype, didn't buy it when the Sixers got Webber either. You can't toss trash on the floor at the 1 and 4 spots let alone the bench and expect to be serious contenders. All the teams that have been in it for the title in the past few years have had future stars (Barbosa, Harris) or former stars (Finley, Stackhouse) coming off of the bench.

Who did the Cavs have at the 1 and 4 spots? Hell, who did they have at the 2 and 5 while you're at it. And who were the future or former stars coming off their bench?
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7/31/2007  3:05 AM
If one of the big three gets injured on the celtics (when one of the big three get injured) they will be irrelevant. Dont get it twisted and think these guys are going places. They have improved, but they are two or three rotation players away from doing something. Ill give them 45 games next season.
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7/31/2007  3:25 AM
Barring injury, the Celtics should easily win more games. There's no shame in that, so lovers need to stop getting so defensive.

Comparisons to Webber are ridiculous and will cause some to question your basketball knowledge, so please stop using broken logic.

Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Ray Allen = dominance. At the center and point guard positions they can put moderately good players and that puts them likely as one of the top 4 teams in the NBA. That squad should win around 56 games with no roster changes.

[Edited by - Solace on Jul 31 2007 03:26 AM]
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7/31/2007  7:24 AM
Posted by izybx:

If one of the big three gets injured on the celtics (when one of the big three get injured) they will be irrelevant.
If Zach gets injured, we have the virtually the same roster that won 33 last year.
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7/31/2007  7:25 AM
Posted by Solace:

Barring injury, the Celtics should easily win more games. There's no shame in that, so lovers need to stop getting so defensive.

Comparisons to Webber are ridiculous and will cause some to question your basketball knowledge, so please stop using broken logic.

Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Ray Allen = dominance. At the center and point guard positions they can put moderately good players and that puts them likely as one of the top 4 teams in the NBA. That squad should win around 56 games with no roster changes.

[Edited by - Solace on Jul 31 2007 03:26 AM]

Yeah, seriously. Barring major injuries to either team, the Celtics should win 10 to 15 more games than us (if not more). I'd say they have a chance to win the east, whereas we may not even make the playoffs again.
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7/31/2007  8:07 AM
KG, Pierce and Ray all know how to win NBA games and have been key parts of winning teams. Who on our roster can you say the same about?
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7/31/2007  8:11 AM
Who plays defense on the Celtics ? Post them up and live on the free throw line.
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7/31/2007  8:30 AM
Posted by playa2:

Who plays defense on the Celtics ? Post them up and live on the free throw line.
KG is a good defensive player bro.
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7/31/2007  8:34 AM
with kg, celtics will win by a great margin. it will be close without kg though i think the knicks would win more games. as a matter of fact, the knicks should compete for the atlantic division title if boston does not have garnett. if we get artest, we would close the gap of the garnett-led celtics.
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7/31/2007  8:46 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

I don't buy the hype, didn't buy it when the Sixers got Webber either. You can't toss trash on the floor at the 1 and 4 spots let alone the bench and expect to be serious contenders. All the teams that have been in it for the title in the past few years have had future stars (Barbosa, Harris) or former stars (Finley, Stackhouse) coming off of the bench.

Webber was washed up for years before he went to the sixers. All three of these guys are still playing at very high levels. They will probably all be All-Stars next year.
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7/31/2007  9:23 AM
well this is the ultimate starphuck you cant do more than this. now the questions
can tony allen come back and play like he did before he got hurt[probably the biggest question of all because he is an elite tier defender]
can they fill around the other spots well enough?
will the players they have stay healthy?
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7/31/2007  9:42 AM
It's amazing how some people just fail to really analyze the situation here. If your comparing KG to Webber your a ****ing idiot plain and simple. KG is one of the most effective players in the NBA and Allen and Pierce are in the top 6 sg in the NBA its a wonder anyone picked the knicks to win more games. The Celtics have two things the Knicks don't leadership, experience, and an inside outside game with proven AllStars

Look at these Numbers for a moment
KG vs. Marbury
22.4pts 12.8rbs 4.1ass 1.17stl 1.66blk 2.7tos
16.4pts 2.9rbs 5.4ass .96stl 2.5tos

Allen vs. Curry
26.4pts 4.5rbs 4.1ass 1.5stl 2.80tos
19.5pts 7.0rbs .8ass 3.64tos

Pierce vs. Randolf
25pts 5.9rbs 4.1ass 1.2stls .28blks 3.23tos
23.6pts 10.1rbs 2.2ass .2blks 3.16tos

PG-Rondo
SG-Allen-T.Allen (11.5pts 1.48stls 51%fg)
SF-Pierce-R.Gomes
PF-Garnett-Big Baby
C-Perkins (1.3blks)

They have the midlevel and veteran to give out. Gomes can play 3/4 and Allen is a very good player off the bench their are a number of veterans out there they can bring in and play minutes. PJ Brown, Brevin Knight, Pietrus, Sweetney? Deke? Udeko.....

I would seriously look into Alexander Johnson for the backup c/pf and you could get him cheap along with Udeko and Perhaps PJ Brown for the midlevel.

The Celtics have better defenders more team guys and people that have been in the playoffs a few simple moves they are in the NBA finals, and right now we are fighting for the playoffs.......
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7/31/2007  9:47 AM
We have players with potential, they have superstars who kinda compliment eachother. Only problem is, there is just one ball for them too, but KG likes having others take over, which is good, and Ray's a good passer and can feed off of other players as well. No reason that team can't become Eastern Conference champs.
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7/31/2007  10:01 AM
Only on a Knick message board would there be a thread even comparing these two teams.
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7/31/2007  10:01 AM
Posted by islesfan:

With or without KG, the Celts win more games than the Knicks this year.
Our best player would be their FOURTH best player.
Simplify the debate: Who wins more in 07-08

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