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Draft Update: Isiahs Smarter Than You Are?


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MS
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Everyone has players on their own board that they would like to be selected, and a lot of time and energy has been put into Eddy Curry and justifying his immense talents and how he was worth the lottery picks and the knicks won the deal. But progress is progress so lets take a quick look inside the draft prospects most fans would have wanted if we had our lottery pick and could do it again, or how we would have done it? TYRUS THOMAS ORLANDO -- The breathtaking athleticism was evident Monday when Chicago Bulls forward Tyrus Thomas met Shawne Williams a foot above the rim and stuffed the dunk attempt back to the floor. With Thomas, already one of the NBA's most dynamic shot-blockers, the unexpected has almost become the expected. Bulls forward Tyrus Thomas is driven to improve his jump shot. But it was a more mundane effort -- Thomas actually knocking down a couple of 15-foot jump shots --that had defenders shaking their heads in Monday's Pepsi Pro Summer League in Orlando. Thomas' improved outside shot hasn't come by accident. He said he's worked seven days a week so far this offseason, often staying in the gym until he makes 700 jump shots a day. "I just want to use this week to get a lot better and put to use all the work that I've been putting in," said Thomas, the fourth overall pick of the 2006 NBA draft. "Everything that I've been working on, from my midrange game to my back-to-the-basket game, I'm trying to make them better this summer." Indiana defeated Chicago 93-89 in the summer league opener Monday, but Thomas was clearly the best player on the floor. He made 6-of-13 shots and got to the free-throw line 10 times for 17 points overall. He also added seven rebounds, five blocked shots and two steals in one of the most complete performances of the day. And Thomas did it even though he had to retreat to the training room in the third period after getting banged on the hip during -- what else? -- a dazzling blocked shot. Somewhat undersized as a 6-foot-9, 215-pound power forward, Thomas knows that if he's going to become more of a scoring threat for the Bulls, he has to be able to hit the midrange shot. A threat to drive to the hoop at any time, Thomas made foes pay Monday when they backed off him and basically dared him to shoot. Knowing when to take that shot comes easier now that he's been in the league a year and played 72 games as a rookie, Thomas said. But that certainly wasn't the case this time last year. "It was more just getting the feel of the game and knowing how to take my game to another level," said Thomas, referring to the transition to the NBA. "I know I still have a lot of stuff to work on, and I'm just keep trying to keep getting better." LaMarcus Aldridge Fact is, even Oden would insist that we vote for Aldridge . . . if he were still here. It was Oden, after all, who unexpectedly pinned a "beast" tag on the slender Texas ex over the weekend. Not the sort of tag Aldridge is used to. Yet it's clear that Oden's new frontcourt partner -- who didn't look nearly this confident a year ago, when Aldridge was Portland's top-two pick in Vegas -- has been the Blazers' best player. I was pretty worried for Portland when I saw Aldridge at the '06 Vegas Summer League, but he has returned with a considerable combination of self-belief and constant energy while averaging 21.0 points and 11.0 rebounds through three games. Plus he never gives the impression that he's above summer-league duty, which easily could have been the case after Aldridge rebounded from the shoulder trouble that plagued him here last July to make the All-Rookie Team. Honorable mention: Brandon Roy. Word is that Roy badly wanted to play for the Blazers' summer squad again, even after his near-unanimous Rookie of the Year season, but his bosses apparently urged Roy to rest as a health precaution. How antsy is he? During Oden's second game, I saw Roy hiding a ball and dribbling it below his knees while watching from the Blazers' bench. Stacking up last years prospects: We love Balkman he is a player, and exactly what the knicks needed but the two below would have been great selections for the long term as we needed a pg and by all accounts balkman like chandler was a second round selection. Two way PG: Kyle Lowry 23pts 12-13ft Marcus Williams 28pts 6rbs 5ass So here we are one year later with 33 wins fighting for the 8th playoff spot, Curry is making 10 million and will likely opt out and be paid 15 by isiah, and randolf currys mirror on defense was brought in to make the push for the final slot which just got harder with the additions of Mo Williams and Rashard Lewis to the Florida teams, and the addition of Jason Richardson to Bobcats. And we are still searching for a pg that can make the entry pass. Everyone is so quick to point out Curry talents but in the end we are where we are. The draft is a crap shot there is no question, but GMs always pick potential over character, talent over smarts, draft big stiffs, is the drafting process really that hard?
16 votes
64%
I am happy with the Eddy Curry Trade/Balkman selection
2 votes
8%
I am happy with the Curry trade but would like one of the pgs below
6 votes
24%
Take my chances with the lottery selections
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4%
I am in the wait and see mode


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Pharzeone
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7/11/2007  10:03 AM
Damn, Marcus only got 5 assist. Nate the "no point guard" is doing that without even trying.
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MS
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7/11/2007  10:07 AM
He also had 7tos to go with 7ass
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7/11/2007  10:11 AM
rehashed...give it up.
Pharzeone
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7/11/2007  10:12 AM
Posted by MS:

He also had 7tos to go with 7ass

Dude, I wanted to get all the info just to make sure that it wasn't bias then I find that Williams had 4 turn overs in his 5 game assist and my point stands. I expect Nate "the no point guard" to be doing this but what's going on with the true "point guard." Why does he like to score more than pass?
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MS
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7/11/2007  10:19 AM
It's just an interesting debate, I would have taken lowry because of his defense and leadership and watched him at nova for a long time.

Just see a lot of stuff about the great job isiah has done through the draft, and I think he has been good with his roll playing selection late in the draft, but for all the talk about having no wiggle room, there have been a lot of option out there and isiah just seems to do things out of spite and because he believes the unworkable can work, and he is on these uncoventional route, ala billy king with 18 pfs.
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7/11/2007  11:09 AM
I like the idea of Isish building a team with great draft selections without chemistry issues ala Joe Dumars.
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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7/11/2007  11:26 AM
It's going to be great when Isiah is forced to give Curry a max contract to justify the trade.
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7/11/2007  11:30 AM
Posted by islesfan:

It's going to be great when Isiah is forced to give Curry a max contract to justify the trade.

It's going to be great when you decide to never post here again
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7/11/2007  11:31 AM
1st of all let's not get too carried away with Tyrus just yet. It's not like Tyrus had anything to do with the Bulls record the last year. That team is good despite Tyrus. I love his athletic ability just like anyone else, but we'll have to see what kind of effect he has over the next 5 years to really guage the merits of this trade. In fact all of Isiah's picks will have to be judged over the next 5 years as well, to see how things turn out for both teams.

For us Curry has at least shown that he can give us what we wanted when we got him. A true post threat and a focus to the team. We're developing an identity. Along with Zach who helps to enhance that identity. Isiah looks like he's added some shooters in Chandler and Nichols, but also guys that can do other things. I believe that the team is setup to start winning. We also have a team that like Chi will be fighting for the East over the next 5 years. So to me despite his unorthodox methods he's still accomplished the goal of putting together a team young enough and talented enough to challenge in the East for a while. Chi is ahead of us, but I don't believe the gap will be as large this year as it was last year.
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7/11/2007  11:33 AM
if curry opts out...zach becomes franchise.
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7/11/2007  11:43 AM
Posted by babyKnicks:

if curry opts out...zach becomes franchise.

You're an idiot if you think Isiah would let Curry walk after giving up 2 lottery picks for him. And you're an even bigger idiot if you think that it's a good thing to have Zach be your franchise player.

Well you're an idiot anyway, so carry on.
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MS
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7/11/2007  11:44 AM
What I like and I think most look for in a player is passion, I believe Q, Lee, Balkman, Collins all have that.

Curry, Crawford, Nate, etc don't really show me they love the game, the team game becoming a unit. I would throw Zach in there as a hard worker, but I think being selfless is the most important trait a player can have if he isn't an all world talent.

Curry and Randolf have yet to report to vegas to work out with there teammates which says a lot to me. Tyrus is going to take some time, I just like players that add to their games in the offseeason that come into camp ready to play, not playing their way into shape, which is my biggest problem with Eddy
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7/11/2007  11:44 AM
Isles what gives you the right to call someone an idiot? Grow up dude
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7/11/2007  11:53 AM
How could Isiah or anyone here foresee that Tyrus Thomas/Aldrige/Roy would have been available to the Knicks right after the Curry trade was made? With LB coming here, everyone thought the Knicks would be a playoff team or at least right there. Instead, LB and the team imploded, and ended up giving away the 2nd pick.

Marcus Williams was a mistake. Isiah should have taken him and tried to buy a pick from Phoenix for Balk.
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7/11/2007  12:04 PM
Posted by NYK3:

Isles what gives you the right to call someone an idiot? Grow up dude

Shut it.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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7/11/2007  12:05 PM
Posted by bigbeast:

How could Isiah or anyone here foresee that Tyrus Thomas/Aldrige/Roy would have been available to the Knicks right after the Curry trade was made? With LB coming here, everyone thought the Knicks would be a playoff team or at least right there. Instead, LB and the team imploded, and ended up giving away the 2nd pick.

Marcus Williams was a mistake. Isiah should have taken him and tried to buy a pick from Phoenix for Balk.

You don't have to foresee it happening, you just have to protect yourself on the chance that it could happen.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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7/11/2007  12:06 PM
Posted by MS:

What I like and I think most look for in a player is passion, I believe Q, Lee, Balkman, Collins all have that.

Curry, Crawford, Nate, etc don't really show me they love the game, the team game becoming a unit. I would throw Zach in there as a hard worker, but I think being selfless is the most important trait a player can have if he isn't an all world talent.

Curry and Randolf have yet to report to vegas to work out with there teammates which says a lot to me. Tyrus is going to take some time, I just like players that add to their games in the offseeason that come into camp ready to play, not playing their way into shape, which is my biggest problem with Eddy

I really disagree with you here. Do you realize that Jamal and Nate LOVE to play and do so in Seattle whenever they can? Curry may not have the greatest work ethic, but that doesn't mean he doesn't love basketball. I know guys that love to play but they are lazy. They refuse to workout in the weight room and prefer to just play. They would gain a lot from doing extra work but they don't have that in them. BUT you can always find them on the court playing. Durant seems like that kind of guy.
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7/11/2007  12:07 PM
I think you had to expect a better record but if you compare what happend during each season

Isiah trades: Tim Thomas, Kurt Thomas, Sweetney, Penny AD, for Q (loses brandy and brother), Eddy (way out of shape), AD, Steve Francis, Jalen Rose
Isiah Signs : Jerome James, Q Woods
Isiah drafts: Lee, Frye, Nate

Isiah trades: 0
Isiah Signs : Jefferies
Isiah Buys Out: Mo Taylor, Jalen Rose
Isiah Drafts: Balkman, Collins

So in reality those are tremendous factors for a coach to deal with even more so than injuries, you had to factor in that their would be problems last season, you have to factor in problems with Brown, and you have to believe that if you trade AD for Jalen there are going to be some more lockeroom issues

Jalen, Marbury, Francis, Mo Taylor are you kidding with that group? I don't think you can plan ahead at all when Isiah is at the helm
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7/11/2007  12:09 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by NYK3:

Isles what gives you the right to call someone an idiot? Grow up dude

Shut it.

enough of the idiot stuff.
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MS
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7/11/2007  12:12 PM
And playing playground basketball working on illegal moves, trying to embarrass people is not working on your game. As Jamal said last year the playgrounds "Are where you try out stuff for the upcoming season"

I think their games are very reflective of players that play without any discipline in a concept that doesn't really involve the team.

Jamals game consists of off balance shots following crossovers a few seconds into the clock or firing three's when there is no protection for long rebounds. He is a talented shooter that doesn't have a developed midrange game which is criminal sense he can get by anyone in the league.

Nate can do the same, but loves going into traffic forcing shots and tryin to make the highlight play.

Those two are extremely lazy, they have tremendous athletic skills but never get after their man on defense and their sole purpose is offensive highlight plays, which is exactly what a playground player is
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