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Who would you rather the Knicks target to be our SF?


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Keep in mind what it will likely take to get these guys from their respective teams as well as contracts, team chemistry, etc.
9 votes
29.03%
Ron Artest
3 votes
9.68%
Shawn Marion
11 votes
35.48%
Gerald Wallace
6 votes
19.35%
Andrei Kirilenko
2 votes
6.45%
Maurice Peterson


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BigC
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7/3/2007  10:10 PM
I doubt Shawn Marion will come here. He hates Marbury.
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7/3/2007  10:11 PM
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7/3/2007  10:11 PM
Posted by BigC:

I doubt Shawn Marion will come here. He hates Marbury.

does he have a no trade clause?
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7/3/2007  10:14 PM
Wallace
Artest
Marion (we would have to give up too much for him)

You know I gonna spin wit it
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7/3/2007  10:16 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BigC:

I doubt Shawn Marion will come here. He hates Marbury.

does he have a no trade clause?

I don't know but I doubt Isiah would bring him here if he did not get along with Marbury. Especially if Isiah wants things to work. Marion after this season I think has a player option.

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7/3/2007  10:26 PM
Posted by BigC:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BigC:

I doubt Shawn Marion will come here. He hates Marbury.

does he have a no trade clause?

I don't know but I doubt Isiah would bring him here if he did not get along with Marbury. Especially if Isiah wants things to work. Marion after this season I think has a player option.

no player other than Kobe has a no trade, so he can't block a trade to come here, but i know what you're saying... Isiah probably wouldn't bring a guy in who might clash w/his boy... who would be ur pick?
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7/3/2007  10:42 PM
Wallace makes the most sense. Most teams utilize either PF or the Center position to plug in a rugged rebounder/defender/shot-blocker, while they look to get scoring from the wing.

The Knicks are the complete opposites. We are going to get most of our scoring from the PF and Center position but not much on the defensive side. So we need an unusual SF who can help defend/rebound and block-shots. Not many do it any better than G Wallace. He's super-athletic, works the baseline extremely well, has a developing mid-range game, and can put the ball onthe deck and get his own offense if needed. He had some explosive scoring games this year. Plus he doesn't come with the headaches that Artest would bring.



[Edited by - bigbeast on 03-07-2007 10:48 PM]
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7/3/2007  10:47 PM
Now, what would it take to get Wallace in a sign and trade?

Does any trade for Wallace have to start with Lee? If so, do we still pull the trigger? Tough call.
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7/3/2007  11:06 PM
AK47 for the point forward skills plus the defense
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7/3/2007  11:10 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BigC:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BigC:

I doubt Shawn Marion will come here. He hates Marbury.

does he have a no trade clause?



I don't know but I doubt Isiah would bring him here if he did not get along with Marbury. Especially if Isiah wants things to work. Marion after this season I think has a player option.

no player other than Kobe has a no trade, so he can't block a trade to come here, but i know what you're saying... Isiah probably wouldn't bring a guy in who might clash w/his boy... who would be ur pick?

Artest would be a good pick because he does not have a big contract. However this is New York so with that comes him probably being all over the place. However if you look at his contract it is worth the risk.

A year ago I would have said Ak-47 but after he pulled that stunt with Sloan and the Jazz I really don't know about him. At times last season he did not even look like he wanted to play basketball.

Wallace is a good fit, but can you really see Isiah getting on the phone with Jordan and Jordan making it easy for him? If we did get Wallace don't expect him to play 80 games. He normally misses about 15 games.

So in the end I would go with Artest. If it did not work out you can cut him because his contract is a joke. We are paying James and jeffries 5 mil I'm sure we can pay Artest his 7 mil a year. Artest can shoot the 3, score, rebound, set picks, pass, and play point forward. Artest if motivated can easily be a top player in this league. He also is probably the best defender in this league.

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7/3/2007  11:12 PM
Posted by McK1:

AK47 for the point forward skills plus the defense
Artest can do that for about half the price of his salary.
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7/3/2007  11:22 PM
Wallace cannot shoot. D. Steveson can
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7/3/2007  11:30 PM
Posted by BigC:
Posted by McK1:

AK47 for the point forward skills plus the defense
Artest can do that for about half the price of his salary.

Artest can torpedo your season early with his antics. Kirilenko costs more but is last season withstanding - much more professional
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7/3/2007  11:38 PM

The other thing to remember with Artest is that he's still young, won't be 28 until November. Who knows, maybe he'll mature with age. We sure could use his defense.
The new new core: Randle, RJ, IQ. Maybe Mitch. Future pick. Future trade. Future FA.
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7/4/2007  12:01 AM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by BigC:
Posted by McK1:

AK47 for the point forward skills plus the defense
Artest can do that for about half the price of his salary.


Artest can torpedo your season early with his antics. Kirilenko costs more but is last season withstanding - much more professional

Ak-47 did not act like a professional last year. He told Russian news papers that he wanted to leave then he told the Jazz players that he wanted to stay. He was phyically crying about playing on the Jazz. And did not want to shoot because he felt he should be the #1 option. He also spent the season like he did not care about the season. HIs teammates also questioned his heart. He also lost his starting job at one point because he was not playing with passion. Here is some info on Ak-47
With those words, Kirilenko might have officially been placed on the trade market, after a season characterized by what Miller described as "severe frustration." Miller also said of Kirilenko's recent outbursts: "He needs to grow up . . . and I just hope he will."
The always outspoken Miller acknowledged the impact his comments would have and offered his belief that Kirilenko, 26, might be untradeable given the $63 million he is owed through 2010-11 on his contract.



"What'll happen now," Miller said, "if nothing else even from this conversation, which will get around the league, [is] that the vultures will start circling and people will start bargain hunting."
Kevin O'Connor, the Jazz's senior vice president of basketball operations, did not return a call Thursday night.
The question is whether the Jazz could get fair return on a trade after a season in which Kirilenko averaged just 8.3 points and 4.7 rebounds. The Jazz's best hope, Miller said, would be to find a team whose general manager is a true believer in Kirilenko's skills.
The other option would be to find a team whose open-court style is better suited to Kirilenko's game. Should no trade happen, the question is whether Kirilenko has worn out his welcome in Utah and if his relationship with the team can be repaired.
Earlier this week, Jazz coach Jerry Sloan pronounced himself "disappointed" in comments Kirilenko made to a Russian newspaper. Miller took things a step further Thursday.
"Some of the stuff that's coming out of his mouth reflects at least severe frustration and maybe brain fade, OK," Miller said. "But it's been surprising in some of the things he's said when he went back to Russia.
"I think he thought the Iron Curtain was still up and it blocked electronic communication."
While Deron Williams, Carlos Boozer and Mehmet Okur all emerged as stars this season, Kirilenko often was lost on the floor and an emotional wreck. Miller, however, called into question Kirilenko's effort as the team's highest-paid player.
The owner said Kirilenko once described his role as that of a spectator, standing in the corner on the far side of the court, waiting for a shot to go up and then running back on defense. An incredulous Miller said on air, "Do I have stupid written on my forehead?"
Miller cited the "paltry" $12.3 million Kirilenko made last season as well as the way Kirilenko's agent built him up to be a player worthy of a maximum contract. He also borrowed a favorite Sloan saying: "Have you missed any paychecks?"
"Maybe I'm being a bad guy for saying this," Miller said. "When I pay a guy all the money . . . I expect him to play. And I expect him to play well."
The onus is on Kirilenko, Miller said, to find a way to impact the game, whether through defense or rebounding, when his shot isn't falling. He suggested Kirilenko study how forward Matt Harpring plays, never mind that Kirilenko starts ahead of Harpring.
"When Andrei's really good, we are a really good team," Miller said. "I guess we know what we're going to get from Deron and from Mehmet and from Carlos, so then Andrei becomes a wild card, a variable, that can really have a great deal to do with our success or lack of it."


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7/4/2007  12:03 AM
I'm gonna agree with Mck1, AK-47 will give you what Artest gives you and won't cause trouble.

[Edited by - kam77 on 07-04-2007 12:04 AM]
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7/4/2007  12:05 AM
There are headaches and then there are headcases. AK-47 doesn't cause the type of headaches Ronnie does. Ronnie has already been suspended a season. If he gets in one more incident he's gone.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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7/4/2007  12:05 AM
wallace....thank you
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7/4/2007  12:19 AM
http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2007/04/24/carlos-boozer-is-there-to-dry-andrei-kirilenkos-tears/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aolsportsblog.com%2F2007%2F04%2F23%2Fcarlos-boozer-is-there-to-dry-andrei-kirilenkos-tears%2F&frame=true


Carlos Boozer Is There to Dry Andrei Kirilenko's Tears
by Matt Watson

Not too long after Andrei Kirilenko literally shed tears about his diminished role with the Jazz, his teammates let him know that they're still counting on him for this series. From the Salt Lake Tribune:
"AK's fine," forward Carlos Boozer said. "We talked to him yesterday. Sometimes, you have to get some things out. He got what he had to get out, and now he's ready to move forward and he's ready to play. I went up to him on the bus and told him, 'Look, man, you're our X-factor. We need you. We need you more than anybody.' He basically said thank you. I told him I loved him. . . we just basically pumped him up and told him that this team can be great with you."
That's nice to see, especially since it's been Boozer's emergence as the team's dominant player this year that's pushed Kirilenko to a supporting role. But if you were hoping to read about some kind of heartfelt moment shared between player and coach, you're going to be sadly disappointed:
Coach Jerry Sloan and Kirilenko both said they did not speak much about the incident - "a little bit," Kirilenko said - and Sloan said he still plans to start Kirilenko against the Rockets tonight.

Again, Artest 7 mil and his contract expires next season. If it doesn't work he can walk

Ak-47 salary: 13 mil, 15 mil,16 mil, 17 mil. And if things do not work he will be almost untradeable. If things do not work out you might have to wait until the end of the 2011 for trade or for him to walk.

In the last 3 years he is constantly getting injuried.

04-05 41 games
05-06 69 games
06-07 70 games

That's alot of missed games for a guy that has a big contract.

[Edited by - BigC on 07-04-2007 12:21 AM]
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7/4/2007  12:49 AM
I hate to say it but Artest is the guy this team really needs. Now thats not factoring in the fact that he could blow up at nearly any time, which is a big enough risk to stay away from him. At this point though, I think we have to go 'All In' as DJ has so eloquently stated already in previous threads and go for Artest, he's the one guy that really makes sense.
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