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djsunyc
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it looks like frye's game has been sacrificed this season so that eddy could be made the focal point of our offense. frye has been relegated to jump shooting duty for a majority of the season. if you were the head coach of this team, who would you feel more comfortable with as the focal point of the team...frye or eddy?
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frye
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eddy
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neither


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nixluva
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3/27/2007  11:01 AM
While I thnk Frye is much better than he's shown this year, he's still just not "MANLY" enough for me. That's OK as long as we know this and use him for what he CAN do. We need shooting from the outside and he's got decent range. He's also a decent post up player, but we have to sprinkle those in amidst more pick and pop plays. Isiah's offense actually had a LOT of that high post stuff, but he totally went away from that and now all we do is post up and spread the floor. We had more running and Frye looks good in that as well. Remember the game when he had all those fastbreak dunks and layups. You saw his good hands and athletic ability.

However it seems that Isiah as much as the players still has a LOT to learn in terms of getting the most out of his team. To have let Frye waste away this season is a VERY bad job by him. When you see Frye have a good game it comes so easy to him and really in his bad games it's usually more about lack of being involved in the gameplan. When you're a shooter you need to get a feel and he just never gets a chance to get warmed up. He has his own issues too, but maybe that was partly due to Isiah not really giving him a good role in the offense.
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3/27/2007  11:10 AM
I don't know if Frye should be the "focal point" of the team, that should be Marbury. But I think he should be featured in the front court, and Curry and Lee should play off of him. He is a much better passer/decision maker than Curry, and he is willing to rebound and contest. He also knows what an outlet pass is, unlike Curry. The offense as a whole looks better going through Frye than Curry.

Being that the team is falling apart due to injury, now is the time to try some new things out.

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3/27/2007  12:04 PM
I think Frye should be the focal point because I feel he has more to offer offensively operating closer to the basket. Frye has more tools being that he can face his man up and shoot free throws better. EY's game is all about power and laziness.
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3/27/2007  12:12 PM
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Posted by oohah:

I don't know if Frye should be the "focal point" of the team, that should be Marbury. But I think he should be featured in the front court, and Curry and Lee should play off of him. He is a much better passer/decision maker than Curry, and he is willing to rebound and contest. He also knows what an outlet pass is, unlike Curry. The offense as a whole looks better going through Frye than Curry.

Being that the team is falling apart due to injury, now is the time to try some new things out.

oohah



My take aftre watching him @ AZ for 4 years and now 2 with the Knicks is that he plays a soft brand of basketball and lacks a lot of fluidity in his movements to make up for it. He should be placed in a system---Phoenix--Nets-Sa-etc.. where his role as a secondary player is more conducive to hius skills.

I cannot personally blame injuires for losses. We have more than enough to get it done at home--but the players we are counting on cant produce. The Knicks became a good team a no excuse team built on stepping up to the challenge--we dont have that mindset--we WERE fiesty for a good part of the year--but maybe the OT record 6-1 and the fact that we did pull out some other tight one may have skewed reality

Right now Channing Frye is just Brian Cook--except for a 15 or so game stretch when no one was used to him--he has basically been a huge disappointment.
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3/27/2007  12:25 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:


My take aftre watching him @ AZ for 4 years and now 2 with the Knicks is that he plays a soft brand of basketball and lacks a lot of fluidity in his movements to make up for it. He should be placed in a system---Phoenix--Nets-Sa-etc.. where his role as a secondary player is more conducive to hius skills.

I've been saying this since the year we drafted him. I agree 100%
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3/27/2007  12:27 PM
Seriously when was the last time we ran mutliple pick and rolls with frye and marbury. Isiah do some coaching
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3/27/2007  12:36 PM
Neither. I'm into dynamic players (players that do more than one ting) and both are as one dimensional as you can get. I'd rather package all these guys and get one or two legitimate, dynamic player(s) and then add the role players to that... instead of this patchwork quilt made from used napkins and toilet paper found at the Staten Island Landfill.
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3/27/2007  12:36 PM
Posted by MS:

Seriously when was the last time we ran mutliple pick and rolls with frye and marbury. Isiah do some coaching

That was money last yr from about Nov 16th to Jan 16th.
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3/27/2007  12:48 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by BRIGGS:


My take aftre watching him @ AZ for 4 years and now 2 with the Knicks is that he plays a soft brand of basketball and lacks a lot of fluidity in his movements to make up for it. He should be placed in a system---Phoenix--Nets-Sa-etc.. where his role as a secondary player is more conducive to hius skills.

I've been saying this since the year we drafted him. I agree 100%

Last year 36% of his shots came from inside and he hit a high percentage of them. He's an effective low post player when fat Eddy's not clogging the post.
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3/27/2007  12:54 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:


Last year 36% of his shots came from inside and he hit a high percentage of them. He's an effective low post player when fat Eddy's not clogging the post.

Bonn, the reason you've only seen him in flashes in the post is because he doesn't have the body or the mental makeup to play in post for more than flashes. Theres a reason only 36% of his shots came from in there.
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3/27/2007  12:59 PM
Channing Frye isn't even up to KT's level at this point... i wouldn't want to center a team around KT anytime soon... Eddy's not an ideal situation either, but w/him i think there's at least some mismatches to take advantage of in our favor... i'd much sooner get rid of Frye than Curry... Frye needs to play elsewhere to realize his full potential

[Edited by - TMS on 03-27-2007 12:59 PM]
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3/27/2007  1:02 PM
I can't believe you guys think the best way to win is to craddle frye.

Multiple pick and rolls?

So should he stand on malik rose shoulders so he could grab rebounds?

How bout getting him som heelys so he can move faster that the sloth he is.

Dolan spends a lot of money so maybe they should put up the rest of the dough to complete the sex change.
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3/27/2007  1:02 PM
I strongly suspect that if Frye added 15 pounds of muscle to his frame and focused on his low post game, he could become a very effective low post scorer.

As to the question of the thread, that is a tough call. The offense looks more fluid with Frye as the focus. He does not command a double team and people seem to move around more. When the offense goes into Curry, a double team comes and no one really takes advantage of it. That being said, I would have to stick with Curry for now. He is just too dominate when he is on and his recent offensive problems have more to do with bad guard play than anything else. Curry has a long way to go, and this entire team needs to learn what to do when double teams come, but for now, we have to give Curry more time. I know it is his 6th year, but this is the first year he has really had to deal with being the focal point of the offense and facing constant double teams. I am willing to give him one more year before saying he has to go.
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3/27/2007  1:09 PM
I already posted this in another thread.

Remember that play where frye was posting up only to pass it out causing a shot clock violation?

The extent of channings post moves is just to bang and push hoping that would move the defender. No post moves at all!

Isiah is posting him and giving him opportunities to get his jumpshot going.

What else should isiah do to get the most out of frye?
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3/27/2007  2:41 PM
Posted by MS:

Seriously when was the last time we ran mutliple pick and rolls with frye and marbury. Isiah do some coaching

Give Brown credit for that. He knew how to pick a roll. In this up tempo system you don't have time to do that because your pg is not really running up tempo. Frye biggest problem is that Curry has his spot and to be honest, Frye has offer more on defense than Curry and can pass out of a double team better.
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3/27/2007  2:59 PM
Curry is a big fat joke, i mean unless the fat sob is getting a lob, or a point blank pass to dunk the ball he rarely scores anymore. He is to confused to handle a double team and his stats are disgraceful....

Meanwhile the boys from portland continue to develop and either of them epsecially roy would be a more valuable piece to the puzzle going foward.

We have two players on this team Balkman and Lee, we could have used one in the draft this year, but we have to pray again that we get a gem.
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3/27/2007  3:07 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

I already posted this in another thread.

Remember that play where frye was posting up only to pass it out causing a shot clock violation?

The extent of channings post moves is just to bang and push hoping that would move the defender. No post moves at all!

Isiah is posting him and giving him opportunities to get his jumpshot going.

What else should isiah do to get the most out of frye?

give him some of these:
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3/27/2007  3:07 PM
It's not fair to judge Frye's post skills off of a bad game. The guy has some nice moves and he's shown that on many occasions. He also shouldn't have any problem with Curry on the floor, cuz Frye actually is more of a midpost player. He's better when he has options. So you want him to be able to face up if he has to or just go with a straight Pick and pop play. It's IMO about Isiah not really making sure that EVERYONE get's a chance to be involved. His offense has devolved into watching the guards struggle to get Curry the ball as the clock winds down and then watching Curry not know how to pass the ball once he's doubled. Do you realize how many wasted possessions we have a game due to that? Once Isiah fixes that aspect of his offense, then we'll really see what this team can do. I'd give him a C- for his offensive gameplanning this year.

Isiah has to realize the limitations of Frye and Curry and setup the offense in a way that will make it easier for them. As Oohah said we should run things thru steph more and allow the other guys to feed off of his penetration. We should also make use of the pick and roll more with both frye and Curry and also send more cutters ie, Jared, Balkman etc. slashing thru when Currry is doubled. You see it once in a while, but not enough.
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3/27/2007  3:21 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Bonn1997:


Last year 36% of his shots came from inside and he hit a high percentage of them. He's an effective low post player when fat Eddy's not clogging the post.

Bonn, the reason you've only seen him in flashes in the post is because he doesn't have the body or the mental makeup to play in post for more than flashes. Theres a reason only 36% of his shots came from in there.
He can shoot a jump hook with either hand with a high release. How can anyone gaurd that in single coverage?
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3/28/2007  12:00 AM
Eddy Curry has been exposed as the one-dimensional player that he is this season. What makes it worse is that he is worse than one-dimensional because his inability to pass out of double teams exposes that one dimension and makes it pretty much worthless when you consider the turnovers he creates and they way other teams can take him out of the game when they want to with double teams. He is the focal point of (only)his offensive production that frequently ends in bad shots for teamates after the team has tried to force the ball into him for the whole possession.

Frye is young and has some nice skills. He is better at Curry at Everything outside of scoring in the low post. Frye has also shown he is willing to work at his deficiencies and he seems like a smart kid that can learn.

Its funny cause when they play together, they stink together defensively. More importantly Frye's presence on the court on offense helps Curry, but Curry does not help Frye's. Frye would be much better suited to play as an important option on offense which he doesn't get the chance to do when playing with Curry. Isiah has screwed this guy this year.

I don't think we will ever see him pan out here, but I hope, for him, that he gets traded somewhere good that will spend time developing him.
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