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Finestrg
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I like Channing but let's be honest, coming into the league as a 6'11" 235 lb. 4-year player out of a decent program in Arizona, I was expecting a much better, much more seasoned all-around NBA-ready big man than what we actually got. He didn't come into the league as a freshman or H.S. player, so I'm thinking that at this point there's a good chance that if he doesn't possess at least some of those instincts & skills at this point (rebounding, shotblocking, overall toughness, etc...) he might never develop them. He's got one of the prettiest jumpers for a big man out there, true, but I fear he'll never be the rebounder/defender we need next to Curry moving forward. I'm sorry but I want a hell of a lot more outta my PF than just a guy who shoots 20 footers. I know most of you feel the same way. His long-range jumpers look so sweet going down when he's on, as he was yesterday against the Raptors, but it's apparent to me that the whole package just isn't there with this guy. I say we deal him now while he still has some decent value. First off, dealing Channing would open up more time for Lee to be the rock at PF next season which is very important to this team taking the next step. Lee has shown enough to convince me that he's 10-15 pounds of muscle and a consistant 10-15 foot jumper away from being an all-star PF and with his work ethic (look at the improvments he made coming into this season especially at the FT line) there's no doubt in my mind that that won't happen. This is one of the deepest upcoming drafts in recent memory. I want draft picks. If we acquired a couple of more picks we can really transform this roster into a much more balanced team by filling some holes. Let's be honest, we're kidding ourselves if we think we can deal Frye to get in the lottery so I'm thinking of a deal that would bring us back a mid-low 1st rounder and a high 2nd rounder. I really think that's fair. Here's a couple of options: (1) Frye and Nate Robinson to the Lakers for their 1st rounder (hovering around #19 at this point) and their 2nd rounder (#33). Although he's similar to Vladimir Radmanovic, Frye would give the Lakers a nice offensive option to play either behind or alongside Andrew Bynum and also would be a good player to have when you consider Odom's injury prone and Kwame Brown's a bust. And they might like Nate and his energy in the mix in the hopes of bringing back a little showtime in LA. Unlikely scenario, I know, but one possibility. (2) Frye and Nate or Collins to San Antonio for their 1st (#28) and their 2nd rounders (#34). Frye imo is more skilled than Ely or Elson, Butler's not ready to have any real impact and Robert Horry and Michael Finley aren't going to play forever. If I could envision a scenario where Frye would have a good chance to develop into a more complete player it would be playing with and learning from Tim Duncan. And Nate or Collins might be a better option to play behind Tony Parker than Jacque Vaughn. Collins in particular, much like Frye learning from Duncan, could further refine his already fine defensive abilities learning from a guy like Bruce Bowen. Just a few options. Basically with this draft I want: (1) A high % shooter with some size with our own pick at #23 (Almond, Afflalo, Belinelli or Rudy Fernandez). Crawford's inconsistant and might eventually slide over to PG anyway if and when Marbury declines and Q's back seems like it will always be a problem. (2) I take an additional shooter here with the low 1st rounder that would be coming back in a Frye trade unless there was strong buzz that Sean Williams might go late in the first round. If so I take Williams here. Otherwise, a take another shooter with size here. (3) With the high 2nd rounder I take Sean Williams. If he's gone I like Herbert Hill here (nice call Briggs). High % shooters with size and a legit shotblocker should be the top priorities. Hopefully we can get something done to either acquire more picks or move up in the draft come draft night and I'm totally in favor of using Channing Frye to do that. Any Thoughts????
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TMS
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3/19/2007  2:20 PM
what happened to x as an option?
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3/19/2007  2:21 PM
Sorry about the poll option being turned on. Just disregard it. I could figure out how to turn it off. Sorry.
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3/19/2007  2:30 PM
Great post Finestrq. I agree with you on all aspects about Frye and these are the things I was EXTREMELY worried about when his name began coming up in Knick draft talks. I'm not just saying this now, check my posts from before the draft, I was vehemently against drafting Frye. I'm not saying Frye isn't a decent player, I just don't think Frye is going to ever going to have value that a player drafted in the 8th spot in the draft should have. Frye can definitely help out the right team who plays the right system and I think you hit the nail on the head with him playing for the Lakers, that would be a great system for him.

The argument that I usually hear on this site by posters who don't want to trade Frye is, "why trade him and risk the chance of him playing great for another team." First off, that idea makes no sense because it's not like Frye is some can't miss prospect that is being dealt and will definitely play well for the team that he is traded to. Second of all, no one should be worrying about Frye playing well for another team if we DO trade him. What people SHOULD be worried about is that we get back the proper players that will most benefit our team and the roster that is in place, in the trade.

I think Finestrq brings up some great ideas about getting draft picks because this draft is very deep and I think having more picks for this draft is the way to go. There are a ton of potentially very good SG's and Bigs in this draft and I think we should be going after draft picks at all costs to try and get a few of these guys since we are cap-strung, this is the only way we are going to get the players that we need to put around Curry to even have the chance of making this roster work.
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3/19/2007  2:31 PM
He's undervalued now though. Trading him will have to wait.
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3/19/2007  2:53 PM
I wouldn't mind trading Frye but that is a fire sale. I would rather hold onto Frye and Nate than trade them for a middle of the pack 1st rounder and a 2nd rounder. No guarantee that pick will be better than Frye and/or Special Nate. At least you know what you have from Frye and Nate. Unless we are talking about picks 8-12 spot for Frye I am not interested.
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3/19/2007  2:58 PM
Minny has a pick at around number 9. I would send Frye for Madsen and that pick. Then let Zeke do his thing in the draft.

Frye alongside KG would be awesome.
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3/19/2007  3:00 PM
Posted by NYKBocker:

I wouldn't mind trading Frye but that is a fire sale. I would rather hold onto Frye and Nate than trade them for a middle of the pack 1st rounder and a 2nd rounder. No guarantee that pick will be better than Frye and/or Special Nate. At least you know what you have from Frye and Nate. Unless we are talking about picks 8-12 spot for Frye I am not interested.

I hear ya bro, I just don't think we could trade Frye to move that far up in this upcoming draft. I think it's that deep. This draft ain't the 2005 draft when we took Frye at #8, not by a longshot. It's much deeper, much stronger. Good impact players will be taken in the late 1st early 2nd rounds in this draft. No doubt in my mind.

If we subtracted Frye and Nate or Collins and added Morris Almond, Rudy Fernandez AND Sean Williams we're a much, much better team moving forward - bottom line.
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3/19/2007  3:04 PM
Seattle is another team who picks around 7. I would send Frye for Robert Swift and their pick. Frye would look sweet with Ray Allen and his crew.
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3/19/2007  3:05 PM
Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by NYKBocker:

I wouldn't mind trading Frye but that is a fire sale. I would rather hold onto Frye and Nate than trade them for a middle of the pack 1st rounder and a 2nd rounder. No guarantee that pick will be better than Frye and/or Special Nate. At least you know what you have from Frye and Nate. Unless we are talking about picks 8-12 spot for Frye I am not interested.

I hear ya bro, I just don't think we could trade Frye to move that far up in this upcoming draft. I think it's that deep. This draft ain't the 2005 draft when we took Frye at #8, not by a longshot. It's much deeper, much stronger. Good impact players will be taken in the late 1st early 2nd rounds in this draft. No doubt in my mind.

If we subtracted Frye and Nate or Collins and added Morris Almond, Rudy Fernandez AND Sean Williams we're a much, much better team moving forward - bottom line.


I see your point. I just hate helping other teams. I have a little bit of Layden in me I guess. You think we can trade Frye for LeBron?
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3/19/2007  3:06 PM
how about trading Frye for both of Philly's late 1st rounders? they have 3 picks in this year's draft... he played really well under LB's more structured system last season, & i think he'd be a nice complement to the 2 Dre's, Korver & Dalembert.
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3/19/2007  3:11 PM
Or maybe we can move Curry, Frye, Nate, our 1st pick this year and next for Oden?
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3/19/2007  3:12 PM
Posted by TMS:

how about trading Frye for both of Philly's late 1st rounders? they have 3 picks in this year's draft... he played really well under LB's more structured system last season, & i think he'd be a nice complement to the 2 Dre's, Korver & Dalembert.

I like that one. I forget, do we need to pick up a player for matching contracts? That would be pretty hard since their only matching contract with Frye is Iggy. Zeke would have to be pretty creative to pull that one off.
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3/19/2007  3:14 PM
Lamar Odom
6-10 PF from Rhode Island
16.2 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 4.7 apg in 39.2 minutes
Incoming
Jamal Crawford
6-5 SG from Michigan
17.9 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 4.5 apg in 37.9 minutes
Channing Frye
6-11 PF from Arizona
10.1 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 0.9 apg in 26.1 minutes
Nate Robinson
5-9 PG from Washington
8.1 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 1.3 apg in 17.7 minutes



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3/19/2007  3:18 PM
Posted by TMS:

how about trading Frye for both of Philly's late 1st rounders? they have 3 picks in this year's draft... he played really well under LB's more structured system last season, & i think he'd be a nice complement to the 2 Dre's, Korver & Dalembert.

Yeah, the best one yet. Good call TMS. I'd do that in a heartbeat!
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3/19/2007  3:26 PM
No way do I move Frye for the 27th pick in the draft and a 2nd rounder.

I understand the concerns over our unbalanced roster. And without our own pick, its going to be an uphill surged trying to improve this roster. Obviously, Fryes play this yr has his value very low. I don't think moving him right now can improve our team because the 25-28th pick in the draft aint helping us anymore than Frye can.

With that said, the only player on our roster with any value right now is Curry. I've defended Curry multiple times on this board, but at the same time, I'm more of a fan of the Blue N Orange as opposed to any particular player. So I would move him if a deal that made sense for this roster came along and it would help us move forward.

I'd consider moving Curry and Nate if needed to Seattle (they desperately need a center but not sure if they bite on Curry) for thier pick which is top 10 and a player like Fortson who expires soon and or Ridnour. With the 10th pick we can take a kid like Al Thornton to fill our need at the SF position, then maybe take Almond with the pick from the Bulls. BRIGGS made a good point about trying to buy the Suns pick and if possible use it to take Sean Williams. One move can fill several holes we have on this team.

Center Frye/Williams
PF Lee/Jeffries/Williams
SF Thornton/Balkman/Jeffries
2G Craw/Almond/Q
Pg Marbury/Mardy

Obviously, in this scenario, Francis would have to bought out. Q depending on his status will also be in the equation somewhere.


[Edited by - bigbeast on 03-19-2007 3:36 PM]
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3/19/2007  3:27 PM
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by TMS:

how about trading Frye for both of Philly's late 1st rounders? they have 3 picks in this year's draft... he played really well under LB's more structured system last season, & i think he'd be a nice complement to the 2 Dre's, Korver & Dalembert.

I like that one. I forget, do we need to pick up a player for matching contracts? That would be pretty hard since their only matching contract with Frye is Iggy. Zeke would have to be pretty creative to pull that one off.

aren't u allowed to put in up to $3 mil in cash to offset any difference in the cap figures?
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3/19/2007  3:37 PM
Posted by bigbeast:

No way do I move Frye for the 27th pick in the draft and a 2nd rounder.

I understand the concerns over our unbalanced roster. And without our own pick, its going to be an uphill surged trying to improve this roster. Obviously, Fryes play this yr has his value very low. I don't think moving him right now can improve our team because the 25-28th pick in the draft aint helping us anymore than Frye can.

With that said, the only player on our roster with any value right now is Curry. I've defended Curry multiple times on this board, but at the same time, I'm more of a fan of the Blue N Orange as opposed to any particular player. So I would move him if a deal that made sense for this roster came along and it would help us move forward.

I'd consider moving Curry and Nate if needed to Seattle for thier pick which is top 10 and a player like Fortson who expires soon and or Ridnour. With the 10th pick we can take a kid like Al Thornton to fill our need at the SF position, then maybe take Almond with the pick from the Bulls. BRIGGS made a good point about trying to buy the Suns pick and if possible use it to take Sean Williams. One move can fill several holes we have on this team.

Center Frye/Williams
PF Lee/Jeffries/Williams
SF Thornton/Balkman/Jeffries
2G Craw/Almond/Q
Pg Marbury/Mardy

Obviously, in this scenario, Francis would have to bought out. Q depending on his status will also be in the equation somewhere.


I like this idea of trading Curry also. Now think about this...we trade Curry to the Bobcats for the 3rd pick overall and Gerald Wallace.

C-Curry
PF-Okafor
SF-Morrison
SG-Carroll
PG-Felton

They would be downright scary. Okafor would erase any weaknesses that Curry has. Morrison and Carroll would be feasting in the outside from all the double teams that Curry would get.

We get a UK fave in Wallace and the 3rd pick overall. Nice.
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3/19/2007  3:59 PM
What is curious to me is that his stroke doesn't extend a couple of more feet...meaning that if he were a 3 point threat, we'd be looking at him in a much better light.
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3/19/2007  4:06 PM
Shooting the three can come i feel. As he gets his confidence back we'll see more of that from him.
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3/19/2007  4:14 PM
I agree.

The future frontcourt is Curry and Lee, there will be limited minutes for Frye.

That's just fact.
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