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djsunyc
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06/07 season: 52% of frye's shot attempts have come from within the FT line. (212 out of 404 shots) he is shooting 50% (105-212) in the paint. he is shooting 40% (76-192) from the perimeter. 05/06 season: 67% of frye's shot attempts have come from within the FT line. (431 out of 640 total shots) he is shooting 49% (210-431) in the paint. he is shooting 46% (95-209) from the perimeter. #'s courtesy of www.nba.com/hotzones we have ignored developing his post game so we could concentrate on eddy. in fact, his in the paint game is better than his jump shot. that's not to say his jump shot is bad, b/c it's not. but you can see it is more effective when he doesn't take as many. he is not physically dominant like eddy but he can play very well and very efficient on the offense. he has demonstrated a good work ethic as he is always in shape. he's a 50% in the paint player. can his possible lapses in concentration stem from being the 4th option on offense? let's say we spent all summer working with frye, developing his all around game, in the post, high post, and perimeter and making him the focal point of our offense. and then we forcefeed him 20 times a night. would our team function BETTER with frye insted of eddy? as of right now, he is a better passer, rebounder, defender (not that it's good), and shot blocker. would he fit in better with our other players? would our offense run smoother? or should we keep going with eddy b/c he has a higher upside?
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make frye the focal point
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bobs3304
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2/10/2007  7:26 PM
I was JUST thinkin about this today.

Was watching Frye hit that 3 at the end of the half at Orlando, and I was thinking maybe he could evolve into one of those Randolph/Bosh types.


I mean sure his movement is more mechanical than theirs, but he's got a sweet shot for a big man, he's in shape (cant say the same about eddy), he can block shots, and I'm sure if he was playing 35 minutes a game he'd put similiar # of points and probably more boards, blocks, and assist.


The question is ........ is he franchise talent?


Personally, I don't think so.


I actually don't think we have a franchise talent.


But of the 2, Frye is the more all around talent, and he's easier to use in a game b/c he's not as much of a liability all at once.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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2/10/2007  7:29 PM
Yes, btw I grudgingly agree that our offense would run smoother b/c Frye works much smoother with Marbury than Curry does.

He's a smarter ballplayer.


Unfortunately I'm not sure if we'd win more games.


Eddy's dominance is something Frye can't duplicate.


I think Marbury and Frye could be like Marbury and Kurt but better.

Only problem is we'd need another great player on the team. Maybe an Artest, IDK.

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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2/10/2007  7:31 PM
I think if by the start of next season Curry is in even better shape and showing he's improved his overall game, I'd expect us to trade Frye.


Lucky for us alot of teams would be interested in him, specially a team like Orlando.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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2/10/2007  7:41 PM
Probably a little better with Frye. He could hit shots against single coverage. I saw him hit six straight low post moves against KG earlier in the year. And he could pass the ball quickly if double teams came. The ball would move much better. I'm not sure his defense is better than Curry's though. It's probably about the same. Overall, if we did this for a year, I bet we'd be something like a .400 team!

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2/10/2007  7:42 PM

I think Frye is being used correctly and it's something the coachinf staff has to work on...Frye can be a decent inside/out player..Not dominant but good enough that other teams would have to game plan for...Because we have two such assets doesn't mean w have to move one...

Frye doesn't have to be the focal point...He can be the number two scorer on this team...I haven't seen much pick and roll with him this year...I think we are see him in the post more...He's too good an asset to just give away...It's not an easy task to get Frye, Lee and Curry the minutes to properly develop...The coaching staff has to be more creative than they currently are...
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2/10/2007  8:05 PM
when Curry is not on the floor, Frye should always be on the floor
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2/10/2007  8:28 PM
Posted by Elite:

when Curry is not on the floor, Frye should always be on the floor

I agree with this.

But Curry is better than Frye in the post, it's really just that simple. And they can't really play together, so it makes sense to trade Frye.
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2/10/2007  8:31 PM
And not just that.

We gave up too much to really warrant trading him now.

I mean that wouldnt make sense.

And if we want to win, we got to fill in holes, and to do that we have to give up something.

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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2/10/2007  8:38 PM
Why should we make Frye the focal point when he has yet to prove that he can force our opponents to change their game plans and defensive schemes?

Also, Curry put's our opponents in foul trouble does Frye do that?
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2/10/2007  8:45 PM

I'm sorry..I really don't see what people are talking about Frye and Curry not being able to play together...Frye has had a poor start I do admit..how does that translate into Frye not being able to play with Curry??..
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2/10/2007  8:45 PM
Posted by BigC:

Why should we make Frye the focal point when he has yet to prove that he can force our opponents to change their game plans and defensive schemes?

Also, Curry put's our opponents in foul trouble does Frye do that?


It doesn't matter whether he puts the opposing bigmen in foul trouble as long as he produces.

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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2/10/2007  8:47 PM
Posted by holfresh:


I'm sorry..I really don't see what people are talking about Frye and Curry not being able to play together...Frye has had a poor start I do admit..how does that translate into Frye not being able to play with Curry??..

Because they don't mask their difficencies.

We need an enforcer for atleast half the game in the paint.

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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2/10/2007  8:55 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by holfresh:


I'm sorry..I really don't see what people are talking about Frye and Curry not being able to play together...Frye has had a poor start I do admit..how does that translate into Frye not being able to play with Curry??..

Because they don't mask their difficencies.

We need an enforcer for atleast half the game in the paint.

But you could say the same about Lee...The Knicks seriously need some inside presence and it's the reason big turd starts...We definitely need a defensive front court player...
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2/10/2007  11:44 PM
Um... why can't we do both? Who's the focal point for Detroit? Isn't is Sheed AND C-Web?
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bobs3304
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2/10/2007  11:57 PM
dude cmon now.


Sheed plays defense.


DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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2/11/2007  5:47 AM
I voted to keep Eddy the vocal point. He just has the potential to be more dominant.

I think the key to Frye is making him more versatile and letting him do different things on the court, not necessarily making him the focal point. Frye's 18 points, IMO, would come better for him in a supporting role where he can post up and take some jumpers. Curry's points are points that can carry a team.
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2/11/2007  7:29 AM
We need to trade either Frye or Lee. Its a shame cause they are both skilled big men that should fetch a good price. With Isiah, I have stopped looking forward to trades because I have no clue what to expect! I wish we had a good GM with some credibility that can get us good players in trades.
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