wow thats unreal.....we are going to the lottery again next season, and people want to keep him...

Standards my friends. Standards. I have no problem keeping him as coach. But it's mind boggling to me that we keep him in 2 jobs.

Anyone who voted yes needs to turn in their loyalty to the knicks

This team has zero future, no franchise talent Eddy Curry is not even close he is mediocre against the leagues best and Frye isn't bringing us back a great player. Curry can't be moved for much because of his heart, and we have no cap room nor will we ever with Isiah at the helm.

The Raptors have more wins than us.
The Hornets haven't have Peja or Pual for half the season and they have the same amount of wins as we do.

The Bucks are going to overtake the Knicks when Redd gets healthy its just disgraceful where we are right now.

We played the Grizzles twice without Paul
The Heat without Wade and Shaq
The Hawks without Joe Johnson and Childress
The Lakers without Kobe
The Sonics without Rashard Lewis
The Kings without Brad Miller
The Bobcats without Gerald Wallace
The Sixers right after the Iverson trade

We have been blown out 14 times already and we are not at the All-Star Break, we should be much better than we are and lets be honest other than the Knicks not quiting which is something men should never do if they have pride, the team has been poorly coached, and Isiah has done a less than steller job. So basically he ****ed the payroll through the roof, his claim to fame draft was saved by David lee, he lost us two chances at wins in back to back games with timeouts, he has continued to make excuses, we commit a ton of turnovers, fouls, our assists are lacking and our team defense is pathetic.

But we have improved because what?

1. Eddy Curry-he is in better shape and 15pounds less fat this year because he got a training camp so he moves better and is getting more shot attempts and converting around the rim, while blatently not trying to do anything else.

2. Q has a clear emotional state and is playing like he did with the suns

3. Lee spent all summer getting better only to outplay frye in summer league, training camp, and throughout the season while be sent to the bench because isiah believes you don't want to take a player out of a role he has excelled in?

The Knicks won 33 games in Lenny Wilkens' only season 2 years ago. There was so little progress that Isiah asked Lenny to leave, with his Golden Parachute attached.

This year they're on pace to win about 33 games and our lottery pick is going to Chicago, again.

ev·i·dent (ěv'ĭ-dənt) Pronunciation Key
adj. Easily seen or understood; obvious.

I don't think so.

What is the evident progress? Of course it looks like evident progress compared to last year but last year was the worst year in Knicks history. The cast of characters is the same and they have been coddled and given every single chance to succeed and are still 8 games under .500

That's evident progress? Wow, expectations sure have been lowered around here.

i'll be slightly more diplomatic. i don't think the team has shown evident progress *yet*. some of our players have performed well individually. and i'm uncomfortable setting an expected win total for the team. but we've been embarrassed more than we've proven anything as a team. IT gets his year. he has more work to do.

[Edited by - Masterplan on 01-30-2007 4:47 PM]

I still can't believe that a guy can buy out as many people as he has. Waste free agent signings. Spend a billion dollars on a team that can't break the 40 win barrier. And yet fans want to trust him to build the franchise

there are two parts to the question-

1. have we shown evident progress?

2. Enough to warrant keeping Isiah

And yes, the bench mark is last year- and I don't mean comparing wins & losses, but play, effort, development, etc.

Is there evident progress? Undeniably.

Is it enough to keep Isiah? Debatable- but I'll grant its enough to keep him, but I still don't want him around.

bip couldn't have said it better myself, how can you trust isiah he has no eye for talent in my opinion as a knick gm he has made the same bad moves over and over again and will never learn....

He made three terrible trade deadline deals (Thomas, Nazy) (Mo Taylor, Malik) (Francis)
Three terrible midlevel deals (Vin, JJ1, JJ2)
Three terrible sign and trade deals (Crawford deal too much for a player no one wanted, and then take on JYDs contract beside...baker signing was a favor to his agent?please!) (Curry deal still not a great move)
Frye picked sucked i don't care how good he becomes, granger or bynum

Every year he has been here its the same ****.......Larry Brown tanked last season that team wins 30 games no problem if he actually didn't try to undermine Isiah and Isiah get a pass.....

And Marbury finally tried for the first time in his career on defense this year after his image was destroyed, thats the type of player he brings in.

still...the core is the bomb...

People are suddenly removing Curry from the "worst Isiah deals list".

Soon Frye will be off the list and then Crawford and then ...

Patience is the key and the fact that the knowledgeable new york fan (the one's that don't post 7 i hate isiah posts after losses) are patient and forward looking enough to realize there is a future and evident progress.

Well, 60% of them anyway.

the proof is in the pudding...even the poll that was posted here a few weeks back had the same results.

The UK mafia is small in numbers but huge in volume of posts.

but reality is reality and the knicks have shown evident progress and will eventually warrant an extension to Isiah.

[Edited by - babyknicks on 01-30-2007 5:10 PM]

Posted by babyKnicks:

Posted by franco12:

there are two parts to the question-

1. have we shown evident progress?

2. Enough to warrant keeping Isiah

And yes, the bench mark is last year- and I don't mean comparing wins & losses, but play, effort, development, etc.

Is there evident progress? Undeniably.

Is it enough to keep Isiah? Debatable- but I'll grant its enough to keep him, but I still don't want him around.

this is a great point/post...there is no doubt that there is "evident progress".

i mean, there was SOME progress last season... we brought in a great rookie class, jamal looked good, had decent cheap pickups in qyntel and jackie.

playing devil's advocate a little bit. as for this season, is what we've seen enough and can we expect it to continue?

babyknicks et al, out of curiosity, what would NOT constitute evident progress? what would you have to see to call for IT's head?