Both coach and roster are the problem. I think Isiah is a decent coach but it's pretty evident why his Pacers teams lost in the 1st round 3 years in a row; Isiah is a terrible in-game manager.

I thikn Isiah is a good coach, but being the GM as well makes him do things from an front office stand point............... instead of doing things from a game stand point.

why is there no simple "he's a good coach" without a "but" attached?

i don't know, then LB gets a pass, and I don't think the roster should be an indicator on how good you feel a coach is.

See Mangini.

Posted by kam77:

Djsu, surveys aren't supposed to look as biased as yours. The results are not meaningful when you compose them this way. Believe me I work with surveys and you have much to learn.

where's the choice for: "he's a good coach"

why does the only somehwat positive statement have a negative attached?

You (the djsu crowd) are following a self-fulfilling prophecy.. just look at the reasoning behind these folks

"so is this [the many posts on ultimateKnicks about usage of players - ed note: great, so now any negative nancy's post counts as a valid reference work, lol] and indictment of isiah as a head coach or is this a byproduct of the roster isiah the gm assembled?"

You left out: or is this an overreaction by impatient fans

you are trying to make this out like it should be an independant poll, isolated. but it's not. it's based on this team's history. taking the team's performance last year and it's roster usage...along with the team's performance this year and it's roster usage, i think this poll asks what needs to be asked. nobody's saying isiah's a great coach on this forum so why pose the option? and anybody that thinks isiah's a good coach still has questions about his roster usage.

putting a he's a good coach option means people are content with him and the his use of the roster. and reading this forum this season, i don't really see any of those posts so i didn't ask it.

now if i made a poll and put it on someplace like knicks.com, then you present all options. but this is for a small community of ultimateknicks.com. so for this community (of which i feel some options aren't required), i was curious to see what people thought.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 01-26-2007 11:03 AM]

Posted by babyKnicks:

he hates isiah and thinks he stinks as a coach and wants to know everyone's opinion on his degree of stinkness.

It's not whether or not we feel he is a good coach or not.

i'd like for you to find a post where i said i hate isiah as a coach.

for the record, i could care less about isiah the coach. it's all about the roster makeup and no coach is going to win consistently with the way this roster is put together.

my dislike for isiah is all about his gm abilities.

Posted by babyKnicks:

actually, come to think about it, the "but" may be helping the vote for isiah as it qualifies the vote of confidence.

Good job.

bingo.

I believe he is "playing" the best players. Everyone has a gripe about starters, but looking at crunch time and minutes, he is playing the best players.

[Edited by - babyknicks on 01-26-2007 11:12 AM]

Posted by TMS:

Isiah's already shown himself to be a good coach in Indy... he normally has a good relationship w/his players & they generally play hard for him... i think he's gotten through to Marbury whereas every other head coach he's ever played for wasn't able to on the same level... that in itself is an accomplishment & a half.

He showed himself to be a good coach in Indy? Really considering that the year following Isiah departure after having been bounced early they immediately goto the Eastern Conference Finals. What kind of statement is this "his players usually play for him" they better damn well play for whoever their coach is because thats part of being a "professional". He was able to get on Marbury's level what he put up better numbers or other coaches so I don't see how you draw that conclusion.

he got them to the point where they were ready to contend and was fired so bird can put his friend in place.

Not sure how that one is so easy to see. They lost their entire core team when Isiah arrived and he got them to over perform.

Have they been back to the finals?

I understand that not being able to win in the playoffs is indicative of coaching, but he did a good job with the team he had.

I dont' think he is a bad coach. I think he's doing what every coach has done here in the past 7 years. Struggling to find the magic formula for a mismatched roster. When you roster has so many obvious flaws it's very difficult to cover them up. Every coach for the past 7 years has been accussed of being an idiot and not using the right players. Anyone noticing a pattern? It ain't the coaches. We've had two hall of famers, an okay coach(in Isiah) and a former coach of the year(Chaney). They have all become idiots the moment they came to NY. There is a reason for that. It's the roster.