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djsunyc
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we're now starting to see isiah get more and more comfortable with david lee down the stretch with eddy. it seems we go to frye early in the game to get him going but then his productions takes a big dip after the 1st quarter and definitely in the 2nd half. he's still picking up some bad fouls so that gets him out of the flow some of the games...but it's pretty apparent that he's restricted to offensive subs late in games and that's it. he's in his 2nd year and has a smooth jumper. and when he gets major burn without curry on the floor, he does get in the post more and gets to use that hook shot. should we play him more WITHOUT curry or should we begin to put feelers out there to see what his market value is? i feel that we can help our team balance out much more by trading him since his value will go down if he's playing a more of a backup role.
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1/21/2007  10:54 AM
I think we should give Frye one more season to work on his game. He is a hard worker and I have no doubt he will improve his game over the summer. With Frye, Curry, and Lee, we have one of the highest scoring PF/C tandems, in terms of potential, in the league. If Frye can improve his consistency, he would be an awesome weapon to have late in games when defenses clamp down. I would not be too quick to give him up. I think we can trade him just as easily next year as we can this year. So I say let's hold on to him.
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1/21/2007  10:56 AM
That would be a little tough to do, being so young in his career. We get rid of him and he turns out to be a star? Tough one. But I would be willing to part with Robinson. Great athlete, but just too damn small and he attracts too much controversial attention, if you ask me. We don't really need his scoring. We need a great defender on this team. Jeffries also has been turning into a question mark lately. Last nights game, the Knicks had 0 steals, vs. Indian who had 11. Another interesting note was Curry who led the Knicks with 26, had 0 rebounds. We still lack consistency with the little things on this team. I'm willing to wait till this season ends with this current team, just to see what we have. These last three close games are taking a lot out of all of us. We can't keep playing like this, but I think it's safe to say we are a 40 win pace so far, which should be enough to keep this team from falling apart again and something to grow on.

[Edited by - 4949 on 01-21-2007 11:00 AM]
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1/21/2007  10:58 AM
would isiah trade frye? that's the bigger question. he's his prized draft pick as he had him locked up 1 month before the draft.

raptors draft charlie v but trade him one year later for tj ford. but colangelo didn't draft villenueva.

pacers sign and trade for harrington this past summer, but bird and walsh traded him away less than 3 months later.

so gm's, and good gm's, trade players away based on need and better fit all the time.
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1/21/2007  11:04 AM
i would like to see what this team can do if properly built around Curry. It pains me to talk about building around a guy that doesnt show up in shape and ready to play basketball, but his offense speaks for itself.

We need defense. JJSkinny was good in the Wash press and trap schemes where is length caused problems. He sucks in m2m and has been awful here.

Obviously Artest is ideal. A Frye/Nate/JJSkinny deal would be a decent package from us.

We need to surround Eddy with a guys that rebound and defend because he doesnt and it hurts us. It kills our SL where he can Frye cant stop the Miki Moore's of the league.
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1/21/2007  11:06 AM
what about this deal:

frye + balkman + mardy + jamal for granger + diogu + marquis.

we may have to throw in nate as well and they give us orien greene or something like that.
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1/21/2007  11:10 AM
Trade Frye for a young 2 or 3 that can play both sides of the ball well and can take the game over with his offense. I would like to have a 2 or 3 that can stretch the defense, instead of having my starting PF do it, our starting PF should be ready to crash the boards after Curry goes up in case he misses.

I like Frye, I like his J, but I've said it a million times before and I'll say it again. I've watched him since he was a freshman at Arizona and the guy just hasn't really improved any of his game since then. When he was a freshman he was a jumpshooting big man who could grab a few rebounds, show a decent skyhook, but really no all-around post-game and he didnt play much defense. 6 years later, he looks like the same player, that worries me.

Frye needs to goto a team that will allow him to start at center, let him lurk 18 feet out and someone that will get him 15 shots a game, I think he would play pretty well in that kind of environment. Here with the Knicks it's not gonna happen.
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1/21/2007  11:11 AM

Why are were always here when DLee has a good game???...Do we think that the Knicks don't need other Power Forwards to be successful...How is it a team like Detroit has about 20 PF and find time for them...But the moment Lee plays well, Lets get rid of his competition on the team...To put the Knicks future at this point in DLee's hand and his hand only would be fool hardy...
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1/21/2007  11:12 AM
Posted by holfresh:


Why are were always here when DLee has a good game???...Do we think that the Knicks don't need other Power Forwards to be successful...How is it a team like Detroit has about 20 PF and find time for them...But the moment Lee plays well, Lets get rid of his competition on the team...To put the Knicks future at this point in DLee's hand and his hand only would be fool hardy...


this has ZERO to do with david lee. i don't think david can start at pf either...at least not now. we still need to figure out who we can put there long term. but this has more to do with frye and his fit with this team, and more importantly curry. their defense is so poor, that you can't start the both together. you just can't do it.
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1/21/2007  11:27 AM
I like Frye, I like his J, but I've said it a million times before and I'll say it again. I've watched him since he was a freshman at Arizona and the guy just hasn't really improved any of his game since then. When he was a freshman he was a jumpshooting big man who could grab a few rebounds, show a decent skyhook, but really no all-around post-game and he didnt play much defense. 6 years later, he looks like the same player, that worries me.

Frye needs to goto a team that will allow him to start at center, let him lurk 18 feet out and someone that will get him 15 shots a game, I think he would play pretty well in that kind of environment. Here with the Knicks it's not gonna happen.

Okay, so what your saying is send Frye somewhere else to get better? How does that help us? I don't want him to be better, if that's the case.
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1/21/2007  11:29 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by holfresh:


Why are were always here when DLee has a good game???...Do we think that the Knicks don't need other Power Forwards to be successful...How is it a team like Detroit has about 20 PF and find time for them...But the moment Lee plays well, Lets get rid of his competition on the team...To put the Knicks future at this point in DLee's hand and his hand only would be fool hardy...


this has ZERO to do with david lee. i don't think david can start at pf either...at least not now. we still need to figure out who we can put there long term. but this has more to do with frye and his fit with this team, and more importantly curry. their defense is so poor, that you can't start the both together. you just can't do it.

Ok DJ, Lets say Curry is lost for about 20 games or so..Who are you going to play in his place?
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1/21/2007  11:32 AM
i don't know man, let's say marbury is hurt for 20 games or so, who's going to play there?

we have jerome + cato + malik. not good by any means but that's life in the nba. and seeing how you can get many serviceable big men for minimum bucks, you can GET BY.

but it's not like we're going to win if curry gets hurt now anyway.

but what are we really talking about? frye is now curry's health insurance? come on man. we can get a REAL starting pg, sg, or sf for frye that can be out there on the floor the entire game.
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1/21/2007  11:41 AM
So Lee isn't the answer at PF but want to trade the guy starting ahead of him in this offense...Frye can probably play both positions and should be used that way...He should play center in the post when Curry isn't on the floor...I have always maintain the Knicks will take the next step if Frye steps up and that is looking like a but if right now...Those positions you want to trade him for isn't a big need right now..I'm not trading Frye for any smaller player unless maybe Ray Allen...But he is still young and learning to play the game...Why do we only see these threads after Lee has a good game...

If Marbs is out for 20 games we are screwed, which is why I won't trade Craw right now...
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1/21/2007  11:42 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by holfresh:


Why are were always here when DLee has a good game???...Do we think that the Knicks don't need other Power Forwards to be successful...How is it a team like Detroit has about 20 PF and find time for them...But the moment Lee plays well, Lets get rid of his competition on the team...To put the Knicks future at this point in DLee's hand and his hand only would be fool hardy...


this has ZERO to do with david lee. i don't think david can start at pf either...at least not now. we still need to figure out who we can put there long term. but this has more to do with frye and his fit with this team, and more importantly curry. their defense is so poor, that you can't start the both together. you just can't do it.

I think the Knicks need to just practice, practice, practice and practice boxing out for more rebounds and doing everything possible to play better defense. It's such a no brainer to improve on. We need a defensive specialist to teach these guys how to play defense. We're okay at the line (and that could be better), okay at the three and a decent scoring team, but if we can't slow the opponent down, stop them at least a few more times a game from scoring, then we will be fighting to win close games all season long. DEFENSE is our #1 problem and something that can be fixed! If we can stop the opponent just two or three more times a game, that would make a difference of having about five more wins. Guys like Jeffries, Balkman, Marbury and Craw need to be looked at more as defensive minded people and utilized better. Curry, Frye, Lee and Q need to be turned into better defenders. Defense is our problem and needs to be addressed more. We need ideas on how to play better D and talk less of trades and finding more scorers.

[Edited by - 4949 on 01-21-2007 11:43 AM]
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1/21/2007  11:43 AM
Posted by 4949:
I like Frye, I like his J, but I've said it a million times before and I'll say it again. I've watched him since he was a freshman at Arizona and the guy just hasn't really improved any of his game since then. When he was a freshman he was a jumpshooting big man who could grab a few rebounds, show a decent skyhook, but really no all-around post-game and he didnt play much defense. 6 years later, he looks like the same player, that worries me.

Frye needs to goto a team that will allow him to start at center, let him lurk 18 feet out and someone that will get him 15 shots a game, I think he would play pretty well in that kind of environment. Here with the Knicks it's not gonna happen.

Okay, so what your saying is send Frye somewhere else to get better? How does that help us? I don't want him to be better, if that's the case.

Frye NEEDS to play center in this league to be productive on a consistent basis. Last I looked, theres no chance he's playing center on this team, especially with Curry playing close to 35 minutes every night.

I know we're all attached to Frye because he was drafted by the Knicks, but we need to fill some of the holes on our team and the only way we're doing it is by trading Frye. That's my belief.
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1/21/2007  11:44 AM
If I were to trade Frye it would be for picks. David Lee is this teams sarter, reguardless if Isiah gives him the job now or not. He finishes the games some it's only right for him to start them.
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1/21/2007  11:47 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

i don't know man, let's say marbury is hurt for 20 games or so, who's going to play there?

we have jerome + cato + malik. not good by any means but that's life in the nba. and seeing how you can get many serviceable big men for minimum bucks, you can GET BY.

but it's not like we're going to win if curry gets hurt now anyway.

but what are we really talking about? frye is now curry's health insurance? come on man. we can get a REAL starting pg, sg, or sf for frye that can be out there on the floor the entire game.

DJ, I think holfresh raises a good point. Other than Curry, Frye is the only big that we have that can really score one-on-one. That is one of the reasons I want to keep him. You can never have too many PF/C with actual skills. If Curry does get hurt, the team will need Frye's scoring.
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1/21/2007  11:49 AM
Posted by TheGame:

DJ, I think holfresh raises a good point. Other than Curry, Frye is the only big that we have that can really score one-on-one. That is one of the reasons I want to keep him. You can never have too many PF/C with actual skills. If Curry does get hurt, the team will need Frye's scoring.

Thats all well and good, IF Curry gets hurt, BUT... Frye will bring us something back in a trade that we NEED, which is a good wing-player. There are plenty of big men that you can find in the draft that do what Channing does offensively.
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1/21/2007  11:58 AM
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by djsunyc:

i don't know man, let's say marbury is hurt for 20 games or so, who's going to play there?

we have jerome + cato + malik. not good by any means but that's life in the nba. and seeing how you can get many serviceable big men for minimum bucks, you can GET BY.

but it's not like we're going to win if curry gets hurt now anyway.

but what are we really talking about? frye is now curry's health insurance? come on man. we can get a REAL starting pg, sg, or sf for frye that can be out there on the floor the entire game.

DJ, I think holfresh raises a good point. Other than Curry, Frye is the only big that we have that can really score one-on-one. That is one of the reasons I want to keep him. You can never have too many PF/C with actual skills. If Curry does get hurt, the team will need Frye's scoring.

let's look around the league...dallas, if dirk doesn't score, who does? if jermaine doesn't score, who does? if duncan doesn't score, who does? if yao doesn't score, who does?

this team will be much better served starting david next to curry and getting a two-way wing player like granger in here.

steph, q, granger, lee, curry is > than steph, q, jeffries, frye, curry.
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1/22/2007  10:13 AM
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1/22/2007  10:25 AM
what is frye going to improve? he got stronger and lost a ton of speed and barely ever dunks the ball around the basket
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