David Lee sucks and is a negative locker room presense. Get rid of him and get someone who really works hard and knows how to rebound.

Posted by bigbeast:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Start him now.

Who goes to the bench if he starts?

Frye.. for now.

I still think Frye should be traded for a SG/SF who would then move to the wing.

Marbury(by default since Isiah will always start him)
Q or new SG/SF
Q or new SF/SG
Lee
Curry

Long over due.

David Lee needs to develop a jumpshot...imagine, a white boy who cant shoot...despite his max range of 4 feet, I think you gotta start dude, he deserves it more than nay player on the knicks roster.

Lee's actually shown he can hit a 15 footer. I remember one game Clyde was saying he was talking to Lee about it, and he comes out and drills the open 18 footer.
I wouldn't trust him to be taking those shots all day, but the guy is capable to say the least.

Some nut said trade him. Very funny.

Lee is currently averaging 10 boards per game. If the dude was getting the minutes that the top rebounder in the league gets, the mofo's average would be 14 per or better.

Lee is not perfect but the mofo brings the energy and finishes off plays.

Frye on the other hand is a jumpshooting powerfwd. If frye was as mobile as Jared jefferies then he would be an awesome 3, but he is not. Knicks need a rebounder and intangible player to start and that is David lee. If you want a jumpshooter trade frye for someone that can do it from a perimeter position.

End this bull**** already. Isiah said to some effect that you can't keep all your draft picks. Well curry is the man in the middle and David lee is already a force on the boards. I think the 4 and 5 spots are settled.

Start David lee! Start David lee! Start David lee!

Again if you want a jumpshooter trade for a guy that is supposed to be on the perimeter and get rid of frye.

Amen!

Mike I agree lets start sharpshooter Frye that is shooting 40% on the year. Frye rebounds better, is a better passer, turns the ball over less and mixes it up on the inside. I mean did you see how Frye shut down Brand the first couple minutes of the game the other night.

Posted by King1:

Mike I agree lets start sharpshooter Frye that is shooting 40% on the year. Frye rebounds better, is a better passer, turns the ball over less and mixes it up on the inside. I mean did you see how Frye shut down Brand the first couple minutes of the game the other night.

heh heh, good points. id actually still bench jeffries for him tho, jeffries hasnt really looked like he has been helping recently. Id like to see how frye does guarding centers and playing center, but I guess Ill never find out

Knicks Leaders Rebounds
NAME GP GS MIN PTS OFF DEF TOT AST STL BLK TO A/TO PF TECH
E. Curry 33 33 33.4 18.2 2.4 4.7 7.2 0.7 0.42 0.55 3.2 0.21 3.5 0.0
J. Crawford 33 16 35.8 16.6 0.8 2.2 3.0 4.1 1.03 0.21 2.6 1.56 1.9 0.0
Q. Richardson 24 24 33.7 13.2 1.5 5.5 7.0 2.2 0.50 0.21 1.2 1.79 2.9 0.1
S. Marbury 33 33 35.5 13.0 0.4 2.1 2.5 5.3 0.88 0.15 2.2 2.38 2.6 0.1
D. Lee 33 12 30.0 10.6 3.7 6.8 10.5 1.5 1.00 0.45 1.5 1.02 3.1 0.0
C. Frye 23 23 27.1 10.3 1.6 4.3 5.9 0.6 0.52 0.91 1.6 0.38 3.1 0.1
S. Francis 21 17 26.2 10.0 0.8 2.6 3.4 4.1 1.00 0.24 1.9 2.15 3.1 0.2
N. Robinson 26 0 20.5 9.9 0.7 1.7 2.4 1.5 0.73 0.12 1.4 1.08 2.9 0.2
J. Jeffries 7 6 30.4 7.7 4.1 2.4 6.6 0.9 1.43 0.57 1.4 0.60 3.1 0.1
R. Balkman 32 1 14.2 3.5 1.1 2.7 3.8 0.7 0.63 0.84 0.7 0.96 2.4 0.0
J. James 13 0 7.2 3.1 0.8 0.9 1.7 0.0 0.08 0.23 0.6 0.00 2.2 0.0
M. Rose 27 0 9.7 2.1 0.6 1.5 2.1 0.5 0.26 0.07 0.7 0.78 1.5 0.0
M. Collins 18 0 4.7 1.9 0.1 0.4 0.6 0.1 0.17 0.00 0.3 0.17 0.7 0.0
K. Cato 13 0 5.7 1.5 0.8 1.2 2.1 0.0 0.23 0.62 0.3 0.00 0.6 0.0
TOTALS 33 --- --- 99.1 13.8 31.2 45.0 18.8 6.61 3.73 16.0 1.17 25.4 0.6
OPPONENTS 33 --- --- 102.6 11.3 29.2 40.5 20.5 6.61 5.94 13.9 1.47 23.7 0.4

Knicks Leaders
NAME FGM FGA FG% 3PM 3PA 3P% FTM FTA FT% 2PM 2PA 2P% PPS* ADJ.
FG%^
E. Curry 6.9 12.5 55.718 0.0 0.0 .000 4.3 7.5 57.661 229 411 .557 1.46 .557
J. Crawford 5.8 14.9 38.540 1.5 5.3 .291 3.6 4.3 82.517 139 318 .437 1.11 .437
Q. Richardson 4.8 11.1 43.071 1.7 4.3 .385 2.0 2.8 70.149 75 163 .460 1.19 .506
S. Marbury 4.4 11.2 39.459 0.8 2.9 .295 3.3 4.6 72.848 118 275 .429 1.16 .432
D. Lee 4.4 7.0 62.500 0.0 0.0 .000 1.8 2.4 76.923 145 232 .625 1.51 .625
C. Frye 4.6 11.2 40.856 0.0 0.4 .000 1.2 1.4 84.375 105 248 .423 0.92 .409
S. Francis 2.7 6.6 40.580 0.5 1.4 .379 4.1 4.4 92.473 45 109 .413 1.51 .446
N. Robinson 3.5 7.6 45.960 0.9 2.6 .338 2.0 2.4 82.540 68 130 .523 1.30 .518
J. Jeffries 3.1 7.4 42.308 0.1 1.1 .125 1.3 3.0 42.857 21 44 .477 1.04 .433
R. Balkman 1.4 3.7 39.316 0.1 0.7 .190 0.5 1.1 48.571 42 96 .438 0.97 .410
J. James 1.4 2.7 51.429 0.0 0.0 .000 0.3 0.5 57.143 18 35 .514 1.14 .514
M. Rose 0.7 1.9 40.000 0.0 0.0 .000 0.7 0.9 78.261 20 50 .400 1.16 .400
M. Collins 0.7 1.8 39.394 0.2 0.6 .300 0.3 0.6 60.000 10 23 .435 1.06 .439
K. Cato 0.5 1.2 37.500 0.0 0.0 .000 0.6 0.9 66.667 6 16 .375 1.25 .375
TOTALS 36.4 80.9 45.036 4.9 15.7 .310 21.4 29.8 71.719 1041 2150 .484 1.23 .481
OPPONENTS 37.1 81.7 45.347 6.7 18.2 .368 21.8 28.1 77.371 1002 2097 .478 1.26 .494


* PPS: Points Per Shot = PTS/FGA
^ AFG%: Adjusted FG Percentage = [(PTS - FTM)/FGA]/2
ADJ FG% measures shooting efficiency by taking into account the total points a player produces through his field goal attempts. The intention of this adjustment is largely to evaluate the impact of three-point shooting. For ex: If Shaquille O'Neal has 3-5 FG, all two-point shots for 6 points, then his ADJ FG% = [(6/5)]/2 = .600. Meanwhile, if Ray Allen is 2-5 FG, but his 2 FGM are both three-pointers for 6 points, then his ADJ FG% = [(6/5)]/2 = .600

The fact that this is even an issue just shows what a joke this team is and will remain till Isiah is gone. I give Isiah credit for landing Curry, Frye and Lee, but he has made his share of mistakes as a GM and is a bad coach, and now needs to get out of the way so we can move on.

As for whether Lee should start, put it this way: If you were to rank our players from best to worst, where would Lee stand? Uh, maybe 1st. If he has one thing going for him that nobody else has, it is consistency. When given the proper minutes, Lee always produces.

Why should our best and most consistent player come off the bench? We are not the Celtics of the 1980s, who had a couple of guys named Parish and Bird and could well afford to allow McHale to come off the bench. We are a lousy Knicks team that happens to be blessed with a 23-year-old star in the making who is not nearly as bad an offensive player as most would make him out to be.