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islesfan
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Which coach did the following to David Lee: - Jerked his minutes around - Pulled him in and out of the starting lineup - Took away his starting spot despite clearly outplaying the player who replaced him - Badmouthed his game to the media, saying that he has no offensive game to speak of
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Larry Brown
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Isiah Thomas


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VDesai
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1/2/2007  11:55 AM
Where's the option for both?
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1/2/2007  12:01 PM
i'm getting more and more worried that if we can't turn this team around (win, not just "improve") that lee will basically say, **** it i'm gonna play for a winner. and teams will line up to take him from us.
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1/2/2007  12:25 PM
A guy like David Lee--you put him in there for 40 minutes a game end of story--david lee is a big solution--not part of any problem
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1/2/2007  12:34 PM

Come on dude DLee does not get treated bad...I'm amazed he doesn't get benched for not playing defense on outside shooter...For now Zeke gives him a pass...But he clearly doesn't run out to three point shooters...He basket hangs for the rebounds...I like the guy but to say he is treated badly, come on....
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1/2/2007  12:35 PM
thats because ******* has him out there guarding threes instead of playing the four
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1/2/2007  12:42 PM
Of course they both bad mouthed David Lee, because he sucks. The Knicks should get rid of him. They need a guy who hustles and grabs rebounds, and gets along with his team mates. - the kind of guy who becomes a fan favorite.
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1/2/2007  12:48 PM
Posted by MS:

thats because ******* has him out there guarding threes instead of playing the four

its either; have Lee guard the 3's, or have Frye or Curry out of the game. Not as simple as just having him guard the 4. You could have Frye out there on wing as a defender too, which I've seen them try, and its much worse.
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1/2/2007  12:50 PM
Posted by holfresh:


Come on dude DLee does not get treated bad...I'm amazed he doesn't get benched for not playing defense on outside shooter...For now Zeke gives him a pass...But he clearly doesn't run out to three point shooters...He basket hangs for the rebounds...I like the guy but to say he is treated badly, come on....


Wow, we've reached a new low here. The guy isn't a Small Forward! Isiah is playing him at a position he's not suited to play because he's not quick enough to play the position and you want to blame the player, not the coach?
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Posted by MS:

thats because ******* has him out there guarding threes instead of playing the four

I haven't seen him enough against front line fours this year...I'm thinking the reason is that it's a tough match up for him...I see him having a tough time against the power forwards in the league because he just doesn't have the size...That said Isiah hasn't really played him against those guys so he hasn't fail...Today's power forward are inside/out guys...Like Bosh,Weed,Duncan,Nowizki,Oniel...So he still has to run out and play perimeter D...

It's also tough on Curry when DLee and another non shooter plays the 3 like JJ or Balkman ...They double Curry and our forwards can't make the other team pay...Now Lee needs major minutes, that is why it is essential for Q to come back quickly....
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1/2/2007  12:56 PM
Lee is not treated badly; however, I do agree that IT is not giving him as much props as he could. It might be because Lee has never been bashed in the media and thus, IT sees no need to dish out compliments in the media. IT tends to focus his comments on supporting guys like Marbury and Curry because they get so much negative press. Lee is a keeper and I have no doubts we will resign him when that time comes.
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1/2/2007  12:58 PM
Im sick of Isiah's treatment of Lee personally.
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1/2/2007  1:10 PM
Regardless of position Lee is the glue and should start. I have never seen Jeffries earn a starting job
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1/2/2007  1:11 PM
Posted by holfresh:


Come on dude DLee does not get treated bad...I'm amazed he doesn't get benched for not playing defense on outside shooter...For now Zeke gives him a pass...But he clearly doesn't run out to three point shooters...He basket hangs for the rebounds...I like the guy but to say he is treated badly, come on....



What a joke. You want Lee to get benched for not running out to 3 point shooters? We wouldn't be able to play games if we were going to bench guys for not playing defense.

Your boy Frye is putrid. When we try to hide his defensive flaws by putting him at the top of the zone he just lolly-gagged around waiving his arms. I think it was in the Detroit game where we tried this for all of 5 possessions before we realized it couldn't work -- Billups had a 3 Frye half-heartedly closed out, Billups pump faked, and Frye ran by and made on attempt to hustle back and recover. At least Lee has quick enough feet to guard post players. Frye is so damn flat footed that when a post player squares up, he gets beat so cleanly.

Forget about Curry on the defensive end.

What about Crawford? He is so miserable one-on-one that it forces Marbury to guard guys like RIP. It's not like RIP blows Craw away in the weight room so I don't understand why he can't stay with him.

Even Jefferies (who I thought was a good signing but I'm afraid I was wrong) isn't doing anything defensively.

Lee gives us more than anybody on this team. He puts up 11ppg with zero plays run for him. He gives us so many extra opportunities and takes second chances away from the opposition. Give him 40mpg and he's an allstar next season -- it's as simple as that. Not to mention the fact that he's the only one of our youngsters who CLEARLY worked on his game during the offseason -- you don't go from an awful free throw shooter to close to 80% without putting in tons of time. That baseline jumper is going to be developed next year and I am extremely worried Isiah will trade him.
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1/2/2007  1:19 PM
Another thread based on the " I hate IT bantor" This board is starting to sound like the media, taking every word that comes out of his mouth and twisting to mean something totally negative.

In terms of an offensive threat, he is CORRECT. Lee is not an offensive threat, he is a great clean up guy, behind the scenes type of guy. He is Oakley without the attitude and jumpshot, all hustle like the commercial says. I think Lee deserves to start but IT must have his reasons. One thing for certain is that Lee is definately getting his minutes and the more time he gets eventually IT will be forced to start him.


Last year, lee would play and get dnp for the next 6 games. His role is much more defined now, he is part of the rotation. IT is still working through the rotation with injuries and the such. You miss the whole big picture, just seeinng what you want to see and hear what you want to hear.

You cant put LEE in the starting lineup until Q is back and healthy enough to start. The floor spacing will be off as it is right now. Lee hits the occasion jumpshot, its not a gimme. He scores in transition and put back rebounds.

At least IT realizes what we need (pure shooter), let's see what happens.
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1/2/2007  1:19 PM
Posted by Ray15:
Posted by holfresh:


Come on dude DLee does not get treated bad...I'm amazed he doesn't get benched for not playing defense on outside shooter...For now Zeke gives him a pass...But he clearly doesn't run out to three point shooters...He basket hangs for the rebounds...I like the guy but to say he is treated badly, come on....



What a joke. You want Lee to get benched for not running out to 3 point shooters? We wouldn't be able to play games if we were going to bench guys for not playing defense.

Your boy Frye is putrid. When we try to hide his defensive flaws by putting him at the top of the zone he just lolly-gagged around waiving his arms. I think it was in the Detroit game where we tried this for all of 5 possessions before we realized it couldn't work -- Billups had a 3 Frye half-heartedly closed out, Billups pump faked, and Frye ran by and made on attempt to hustle back and recover. At least Lee has quick enough feet to guard post players. Frye is so damn flat footed that when a post player squares up, he gets beat so cleanly.

Forget about Curry on the defensive end.

What about Crawford? He is so miserable one-on-one that it forces Marbury to guard guys like RIP. It's not like RIP blows Craw away in the weight room so I don't understand why he can't stay with him.

Even Jefferies (who I thought was a good signing but I'm afraid I was wrong) isn't doing anything defensively.

Lee gives us more than anybody on this team. He puts up 11ppg with zero plays run for him. He gives us so many extra opportunities and takes second chances away from the opposition. Give him 40mpg and he's an allstar next season -- it's as simple as that. Not to mention the fact that he's the only one of our youngsters who CLEARLY worked on his game during the offseason -- you don't go from an awful free throw shooter to close to 80% without putting in tons of time. That baseline jumper is going to be developed next year and I am extremely worried Isiah will trade him.

Are you really giving Frye sheit for not being able to guard Billups on tne perimeter? You keep picking stellar game to knock people...If I remember, Frye hit some clutch shots in that game..Didn't he have like 26 or something like that...He play the top of the key in the zone because Detroit is a very good three point shooting team...You needs some work on your game analysis bro...Isn't Frye our best shot blocker..Why would Isiah pull him form the post to play the top of the key if it wasn't necessary...



[Edited by - holfresh on 01-02-2007 1:21 PM]
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Posted by Michael6835:

Another thread based on the " I hate IT bantor" This board is starting to sound like the media, taking every word that comes out of his mouth and twisting to mean something totally negative.

In terms of an offensive threat, he is CORRECT. Lee is not an offensive threat, he is a great clean up guy, behind the scenes type of guy. He is Oakley without the attitude and jumpshot, all hustle like the commercial says. I think Lee deserves to start but IT must have his reasons. One thing for certain is that Lee is definately getting his minutes and the more time he gets eventually IT will be forced to start him.


Last year, lee would play and get dnp for the next 6 games. His role is much more defined now, he is part of the rotation. IT is still working through the rotation with injuries and the such. You miss the whole big picture, just seeinng what you want to see and hear what you want to hear.

You cant put LEE in the starting lineup until Q is back and healthy enough to start. The floor spacing will be off as it is right now. Lee hits the occasion jumpshot, its not a gimme. He scores in transition and put back rebounds.

At least IT realizes what we need (pure shooter), let's see what happens.

not for nothing but lb was CORRECT in everything he said also, yet he's not allowed to criticize his players via the media. it's not a "i hate IT bantor", it's bringing to light the fact that slowly isiah is going down the same path as the previous coach.

the guy keeps saying "i was just searching for something that worked."

so the guy that put together this team has no idea how to make it work. fan-tas-tic.
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1/2/2007  1:22 PM
Posted by Ray15:
Posted by holfresh:


Come on dude DLee does not get treated bad...I'm amazed he doesn't get benched for not playing defense on outside shooter...For now Zeke gives him a pass...But he clearly doesn't run out to three point shooters...He basket hangs for the rebounds...I like the guy but to say he is treated badly, come on....



What a joke. You want Lee to get benched for not running out to 3 point shooters? We wouldn't be able to play games if we were going to bench guys for not playing defense.

Your boy Frye is putrid. When we try to hide his defensive flaws by putting him at the top of the zone he just lolly-gagged around waiving his arms. I think it was in the Detroit game where we tried this for all of 5 possessions before we realized it couldn't work -- Billups had a 3 Frye half-heartedly closed out, Billups pump faked, and Frye ran by and made on attempt to hustle back and recover. At least Lee has quick enough feet to guard post players. Frye is so damn flat footed that when a post player squares up, he gets beat so cleanly.

Forget about Curry on the defensive end.

What about Crawford? He is so miserable one-on-one that it forces Marbury to guard guys like RIP. It's not like RIP blows Craw away in the weight room so I don't understand why he can't stay with him.

Even Jefferies (who I thought was a good signing but I'm afraid I was wrong) isn't doing anything defensively.

Lee gives us more than anybody on this team. He puts up 11ppg with zero plays run for him. He gives us so many extra opportunities and takes second chances away from the opposition. Give him 40mpg and he's an allstar next season -- it's as simple as that. Not to mention the fact that he's the only one of our youngsters who CLEARLY worked on his game during the offseason -- you don't go from an awful free throw shooter to close to 80% without putting in tons of time. That baseline jumper is going to be developed next year and I am extremely worried Isiah will trade him.

You miss the point. no one on this board will argue with you. DLEE is the man and plays well, and probably should start. But what would the lineup be, if you started LEE now.
Curry,LEE,Jeffries,Craw,Steph.

Great so now instead of sending one man to double Eddy, they can send 2. Because no one has to d lee of jeffries!

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Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Michael6835:

Another thread based on the " I hate IT bantor" This board is starting to sound like the media, taking every word that comes out of his mouth and twisting to mean something totally negative.

In terms of an offensive threat, he is CORRECT. Lee is not an offensive threat, he is a great clean up guy, behind the scenes type of guy. He is Oakley without the attitude and jumpshot, all hustle like the commercial says. I think Lee deserves to start but IT must have his reasons. One thing for certain is that Lee is definately getting his minutes and the more time he gets eventually IT will be forced to start him.


Last year, lee would play and get dnp for the next 6 games. His role is much more defined now, he is part of the rotation. IT is still working through the rotation with injuries and the such. You miss the whole big picture, just seeinng what you want to see and hear what you want to hear.

You cant put LEE in the starting lineup until Q is back and healthy enough to start. The floor spacing will be off as it is right now. Lee hits the occasion jumpshot, its not a gimme. He scores in transition and put back rebounds.

At least IT realizes what we need (pure shooter), let's see what happens.

not for nothing but lb was CORRECT in everything he said also, yet he's not allowed to criticize his players via the media. it's not a "i hate IT bantor", it's bringing to light the fact that slowly isiah is going down the same path as the previous coach.

the guy keeps saying "i was just searching for something that worked."

so the guy that put together this team has no idea how to make it work. fan-tas-tic.

So freaking what, he is now realizing what needs to be done, get over it. So what if LB was doing the same thing, the difference is LB did his way and failed with the players pretty much rejecting him. The players seem to embrace IT, as long as that stays there the team will be ok. This is part of the rebuilding process, recognizing that the team is built differently and adjusting. Adding the pieces to Curry. Get over it dude, the guy seems to be realizing everything everyone here has been saying for months, now that he does you call attention as if its a bad thing. let him do his job.
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1/2/2007  1:27 PM
I think it would help this team to trade Lee for a shooter.
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Posted by King1:

I think it would help this team to trade Lee for a shooter.

Anyone but Lee, King. I know you're down on Isiah but David Lee should be a Knick for a long time. Trade someone else for a shooter. I would package our jumpshooting big man to a team that can really use a jumpshooting bigman, unlike ourselves, for a good 2guard. Not David Lee.
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