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PresIke
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Which move by a Knicks GM has caused the MOST damage to the franchise?
15 votes
42.86%
Ewing Trade
1 votes
2.86%
Allan Houston $100 million contract
6 votes
17.14%
Camby, Nene, Jackson for McDyess, Williams
6 votes
17.14%
Marbury Trade
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20%
Curry Trade
0 votes
0%
Francis Trade


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11/13/2006  11:33 PM
Ewing trade no doubt. It saddled us with terrible contracts, which we have compounded about 1000X over by now.
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11/13/2006  11:35 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Ewing trade no doubt. It saddled us with terrible contracts, which we have compounded about 1000X over by now.


I am in complete agreement with you. Had we chosen to take a different route, like say let his contract run out and "rebuild" by now we might have drafted one of the several stars that have come into the NBA since then with a probable high pick. It's all hindsight now, but none the less clear to me that this move by Checketts is the root of our salary cap woes.
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11/13/2006  11:36 PM
The Ewing trade started us going downhill.
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11/13/2006  11:39 PM
The Ewing trade itself wasn't that bad. We got a couple of draft picks in return for that and we could have turned them into Tony Parker a Tony Parker or someone else along those lines. It's everything after that compounded that was bad but I would have to say that the McDyess trade was the worst (Even though, I admit, I liked it at the time). Followed by Curry and then Marbury/Francis. The Houston contract was bad, but it didn't criple the Knicks. His injury hurt us a heck of a lot, but not the contract.
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11/13/2006  11:41 PM
The thing with the Houston deal was that we were bidding against ourselves. That was silly.
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11/14/2006  12:03 AM
Isiah Thomas hiring Larry Brown.
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11/14/2006  12:10 AM
Isiah Thomas accepting the job.
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11/14/2006  1:45 PM
Ewing asked to be traded, so that's not something I really blame on management.

Allan Houston's contract was obscene & it crippled the franchise from signing any other impact Free Agents to play alongside him.

The Camby & Nene for McGimp trade was horrendous as well... we could have ended up with a frontcourt of Camby & Wilcox or Amare, but instead ended up w/a maxed out player w/bad knees which handcuffed our franchise even worse than it already was.

the Marbury trade looked good at the time, but obviously it hasn't worked out well at all.

the Curry trade verdict is still out depending on how the Knicks finish this season & how much improvement Eddy Curry shows.

the only reason to trade for a guy like Francis would have been to either replace Marbury with him, or to use him as a chip to trade for a guy like KG... neither has happened, but this trade hasn't handcuffed the Knicks in making any impact free agent signings because they would have been capped out til the end of his contract term regardless.


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i'd say it's a choice between the Allan Houston contract & the Camby/Nene for McDyess trade (which inevitably led up to the Marbury trade)
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11/14/2006  1:52 PM
I think the worst move was the logic that we could win without Ewing. We refused to admit that it was the end of an era and that we needed to make changes and possibly start over. Instead we thought the mirage of Allan/Spree leading us to the finals would continue. We beleived that speeding up and going small and getting away from Pat was going to work. We didn't stop to think that the reason we couldn't compete with SA in the finals that year was because we didn' have Pat. 15 straight years of success and one common denominator. Patrick Ewing. For some reason we didn't believe this to be true. So instead we traded him away and hoped that Spree would become the PG of the future. Thus begins the downfall. Never rebuild, just retinker.

The philosophy has not changed since. give those idiots a high priced name and they will think we are on the right track.

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11/14/2006  2:00 PM
The Ewing trade...but man...giving Houston that max contract and then trading for McDyess is a CLOSE second.

Even after the Ewing trade...the Knicks had a chance to recover if they didn't put themselves in a bind by giving Houston the MAX and then giving away Camby and a draft pick.
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11/14/2006  2:05 PM
Ewing trade was the killer. Not only did we not let the big contract expire so we could rebuild. We brought in absolutely nothing to help our team. Longley was gimpy and never did anything for us. Rice was gimpy, never fit in with our squad and his long term cash was dealt for Howard Shanderson.
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11/14/2006  11:15 PM
I meant to mean player moves, btw. Sorry for not clarifying carefully enough.
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11/15/2006  9:21 AM
Trading for Francis was definitely the *stupidest* trade.
But I think in the end, Briggs will have been right all along that the Curry trade was a complete and utter debacle, and giving up 2 lottery picks will have set back this franchise for years.
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11/15/2006  9:53 AM
They were all bad but I think the Ewing trade just kicked it all off and got us sliding in the wrong direction
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11/15/2006  10:32 AM
Ewing resigning without a doubt

Camby and a number one for McDyess a close second

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11/15/2006  10:34 AM
K22 - in what way did the Larry Brown signing set the franchise back more than signing Ewing?
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11/15/2006  10:37 AM
Houston was a better player than anyone on this roster
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11/15/2006  11:02 AM
Posted by fishmike:

Houston was a better player than anyone on this roster

no doubt he was, but was he worth 2 star level contracts by himself?
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11/15/2006  11:11 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by fishmike:

Houston was a better player than anyone on this roster

no doubt he was, but was he worth 2 star level contracts by himself?

Negative. I would say a 65 million dollar deal would have been more like it for him. 100 was ridiculous, however it wouldn't have mattered b/c the Summer after that, we freaking got Shandon and Eisley and Spoon so that just added to it.

In terms of being good players and good leaders at the same time, along with having some winning experience, I would say Houston and Quentin (From his Phoenix days) are on the same level, but overall, I'll take him over anyone else on this roster.
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11/15/2006  11:16 AM
i loved Allan all throughout his days as a Knick, but that contract was simply obscene... his salary was the equivalent of 3 Q Rich's!... that's just nuts.
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