I blame Steph. See every other post I have put up.

Curry had a huge layoff and is just now getting into shape. Rookies need time to adjust. Q missed training camp and has back issues. We have the potential to be a better team but I don't think we are factually one yet.

Isiah Thomas

It's a group effort. Part Larry, part Isiah, part Steph, and part the rest of the veterans.

Its the coach's job to get the team to play at its best. There's no way that this team shoiuld be worse than the Hornets. i've seen much worse teams than this one. He's totally messed up this teams confidence, they have no chemistry, no identity and they aren't using their natural talents.

LB is a great coach, but he done a horrible job with this team. Maybe a long ttime ago he was more capable of handling a situation like this. But all I can see is him bitching about the roster, where a lesser coach would have found a way to make it work. LB stubbornly refuses to let these guys do what they do and meld that with his concepts. It can be done. i don't want to hear that its all or nothing.

everyone but mostly step for collecting $20mm that goes against our cap and producing absolutely nothing whereas a guy like Ron Artest who plays on both ends makes only $6mm. Might as well blame Isiah for trading everything he had to bring him to NR where we haven't won over 30 some odd games!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 12-15-2005 03:01 AM]

Posted by Rich:

Here's the case against Larry:

Many great coaches, like Riley, tailor their system to fit the personnel they have to work with. He utilized a "Showtime" offense in LA because it fit Magic, Worthy, Cooper, an aging Kareem, etc. When he came to NY, he realized that Oak, Starks, Mason, Ewing, etc. were more likely to win with a modified "nasty boys" approach.

Larry doesn't have the personnel here to implement the defensive style of play he prefers, but he still hasn't modified his approach.

This is how I feel. Coach to your personnel.

chemistry for a group who don't understand team concepts. it will take awhile just like what larry did in philly. next year will be our pivotal year. if we suck this time next year then start blaming brown.

I chose Isiah. This is not a rebuilding team. The only reason LB is resigned to playing the young guys right now is because the old ones are that bad. Eddie Curry is young, but this is year 5 in the league now. Q is a veteran. Penny, AD, JYD, Nazr, Baker, Jerome James, Marbury, TT, Mo Taylor, Crawford, Moochie (I'm sure there's more).. these guys all had at least 4 years and were pretty established as players. These are not rebuilding players. They are Isiah's attempt to take cast offs and build them into a team that can win. A very expensive team.

A lot of Isiah's trades make sense, but as a whole I would have to say they are very bad. Curry is a good player and a good investment, and we havent seen the lighter Curry I that played for the Bulls last year. I'm glad we have him and he can be a great piece, but if you NEVER EVER EVER trade unprotected picsks unless you are god damn convinved your team is making the playoffs.

Right now it comes to Larry's ability to take this fodder and build it into a team. There is no doubt more talent here, but coming from Shanvis Eisleyspoon it was hard not to improve.

Did Layden's teams ever play .286 ball?

There is no excuse for this record. We should be able to work out some wins here and there with these players and this payroll.

Now its Larry Brown's fault? First it was Chaney's, then it was Lenny's then it was Herb's. Now its Larry's??? I think if Isiah hired Jesus Christ it wouldnt matter. At some point you have to question the talent, and then who assembled it.

I see it as Larry's fault. He is trying to recreate the Knicks to a nostatlgic era of his youth where point guards don't score - just ditribute. I don't know what his plan is, but taking a 20 and 8 player and watering him down does not equal improvement. If you don't want Marbury to score then give him the horses that can. That means no Rose or anyone else who can't hit a jump shot.
Larry should stop trying to coach a system and start coaching the players he has.

On the plus side Curry looks like he might be rounding into shape.

Marbs and LB are warring. This is INFECTING the team. Marbs is starting to be what he has been in 3 other places......useless. The Knicks would be better off trading him for a bag of balls.