Posted by TMS:

do you not understand that Curry would have been a moron to agree to taking that DNA test to begin with when he obviously had a team willing to pay him a lucrative GUARANTEED contract without risking any DNA tests?

if you want to live in denial & speculation, that's fine, but it ignores any simple common sense.

Posted by COSSUCKS:

You claimed that Paxson was avoiding Curry like the plague. I said that is just not accurate and I have showed that point pretty easily.

I'm not living in speculation. You are.
I proved via actions (2 separate contract offers from Pax) and Pax's words that he was not avoiding Curry like the plague as you claimed.

You simply are choosing to ignore all the evidence and speculate with noting concrete to back up your claims that Pax was avoiding Curry like the plague.

Posted by COSSUCKS:

TMS,

I was never speaking about Currys mindset. You keep going back to Curry.

The debate was that Ny4ever claimed that Pax was avoiding Curry like the plague. It was not about Currys mindset.

Via The Bulls 2 contract offers and Paxs own words I have proved that Pax was in no way shape or form avoiding Curry like the plague as was being claimed.

Posted by COSSUCKS:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by COSSUCKS:

TMS,

I was never speaking about Currys mindset. You keep going back to Curry.

The debate was that Ny4ever claimed that Pax was avoiding Curry like the plague. It was not about Currys mindset.

Via The Bulls 2 contract offers and Paxs own words I have proved that Pax was in no way shape or form avoiding Curry like the plague as was being claimed.

He did avoid him like the plague, he gave him a lowball offer because he didn't want him on the team anymore and it worked out for them. The Knicks weren't the only team to be able to sign him without giving him the DNA test, they are just the only ones that wanted to. Had Paxson wanted Curry back bad enough he'd be playing with them right now but he didn't.

I will try one last time.

You seem like you want to avoid the facts and just speculate.

1. Reports said that the Bulls gave Curry a 6year-66 mill conditional offer that was identical to Tyson Chandlers on the condition he take and pass the DNA test. That was not a "lowball" offer

2. No owner outside of Dolan would give a 6 year 56-66 mill contract that was uninsured. Actually Dolan only guaranteed the first 3 years (24 mill vs a heart condition).

3. This is Reinsdorfs money not Paxsons. Pax did not have a choice about Curry being a Bull if he refused to take the DNA test. Pax said he was worried about his heart but regardless Reinsdorf would not allow the 6 year deal to go threw without insurance....hence the DNA test. There are very few guys in the NBA playing on big contracts without insurance. Considering Curry just missed the last month of the season plus playoffs and was hospitalized for a irregular heart beat that is understandable isnt it?

4. If Pax was avoiding Curry like the plague as you say then you are effectively calling Pax a multiple time liar when he may be the straigest shooter in the nba

5. If Pax was "using pr" as you speculate why continue a lie 1-2 years after a trade was made? How does making a big issue about a player heart condition help his trade marketbaility anyway? That sounds like a theory from the Bizarro world.

6. If Pax wanted to trade Curry it would have been much easier to just give him a 1 year 5mill qualifier and then trade his rights. There was no reason at all to give him a 6 year deal if he passed the dna test or a 20mill annuity if he failed it. They could have qualified him for 1 year at 5 mill and traded him. It was as simple as that.

Now I have tried my best to show you actual facts via the actual contract offers and Pax's own words. If you choose to ignore them and just continue to throw up baseless speculation that totally contradicts the facts and logic thats up to you.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by COSSUCKS:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by COSSUCKS:

TMS,

I was never speaking about Currys mindset. You keep going back to Curry.

The debate was that Ny4ever claimed that Pax was avoiding Curry like the plague. It was not about Currys mindset.

Via The Bulls 2 contract offers and Paxs own words I have proved that Pax was in no way shape or form avoiding Curry like the plague as was being claimed.

He did avoid him like the plague, he gave him a lowball offer because he didn't want him on the team anymore and it worked out for them. The Knicks weren't the only team to be able to sign him without giving him the DNA test, they are just the only ones that wanted to. Had Paxson wanted Curry back bad enough he'd be playing with them right now but he didn't.

I will try one last time.

You seem like you want to avoid the facts and just speculate.

1. Reports said that the Bulls gave Curry a 6year-66 mill conditional offer that was identical to Tyson Chandlers on the condition he take and pass the DNA test. That was not a "lowball" offer

2. No owner outside of Dolan would give a 6 year 56-66 mill contract that was uninsured. Actually Dolan only guaranteed the first 3 years (24 mill vs a heart condition).

3. This is Reinsdorfs money not Paxsons. Pax did not have a choice about Curry being a Bull if he refused to take the DNA test. Pax said he was worried about his heart but regardless Reinsdorf would not allow the 6 year deal to go threw without insurance....hence the DNA test. There are very few guys in the NBA playing on big contracts without insurance. Considering Curry just missed the last month of the season plus playoffs and was hospitalized for a irregular heart beat that is understandable isnt it?

4. If Pax was avoiding Curry like the plague as you say then you are effectively calling Pax a multiple time liar when he may be the straigest shooter in the nba

5. If Pax was "using pr" as you speculate why continue a lie 1-2 years after a trade was made? How does making a big issue about a player heart condition help his trade marketbaility anyway? That sounds like a theory from the Bizarro world.

6. If Pax wanted to trade Curry it would have been much easier to just give him a 1 year 5mill qualifier and then trade his rights. There was no reason at all to give him a 6 year deal if he passed the dna test or a 20mill annuity if he failed it. They could have qualified him for 1 year at 5 mill and traded him. It was as simple as that.

Now I have tried my best to show you actual facts via the actual contract offers and Pax's own words. If you choose to ignore them and just continue to throw up baseless speculation that totally contradicts the facts and logic thats up to you.

Hmm you are right Cos about the 6yrs/66mill. Perhaps I am speculating a bit too much.

I failed to take that into the argument, an error on my part, I thought the DNA request was the only attempt of Paxson. I still think a unprotected #1 was too much though.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07-06-2007 6:28 PM]

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by COSSUCKS:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by COSSUCKS:

TMS,

I was never speaking about Currys mindset. You keep going back to Curry.

The debate was that Ny4ever claimed that Pax was avoiding Curry like the plague. It was not about Currys mindset.

Via The Bulls 2 contract offers and Paxs own words I have proved that Pax was in no way shape or form avoiding Curry like the plague as was being claimed.

He did avoid him like the plague, he gave him a lowball offer because he didn't want him on the team anymore and it worked out for them. The Knicks weren't the only team to be able to sign him without giving him the DNA test, they are just the only ones that wanted to. Had Paxson wanted Curry back bad enough he'd be playing with them right now but he didn't.

I will try one last time.

You seem like you want to avoid the facts and just speculate.

1. Reports said that the Bulls gave Curry a 6year-66 mill conditional offer that was identical to Tyson Chandlers on the condition he take and pass the DNA test. That was not a "lowball" offer

2. No owner outside of Dolan would give a 6 year 56-66 mill contract that was uninsured. Actually Dolan only guaranteed the first 3 years (24 mill vs a heart condition).

3. This is Reinsdorfs money not Paxsons. Pax did not have a choice about Curry being a Bull if he refused to take the DNA test. Pax said he was worried about his heart but regardless Reinsdorf would not allow the 6 year deal to go threw without insurance....hence the DNA test. There are very few guys in the NBA playing on big contracts without insurance. Considering Curry just missed the last month of the season plus playoffs and was hospitalized for a irregular heart beat that is understandable isnt it?

4. If Pax was avoiding Curry like the plague as you say then you are effectively calling Pax a multiple time liar when he may be the straigest shooter in the nba

5. If Pax was "using pr" as you speculate why continue a lie 1-2 years after a trade was made? How does making a big issue about a player heart condition help his trade marketbaility anyway? That sounds like a theory from the Bizarro world.

6. If Pax wanted to trade Curry it would have been much easier to just give him a 1 year 5mill qualifier and then trade his rights. There was no reason at all to give him a 6 year deal if he passed the dna test or a 20mill annuity if he failed it. They could have qualified him for 1 year at 5 mill and traded him. It was as simple as that.

Now I have tried my best to show you actual facts via the actual contract offers and Pax's own words. If you choose to ignore them and just continue to throw up baseless speculation that totally contradicts the facts and logic thats up to you.

Hmm you are right Cos about the 6yrs/66mill. Perhaps I am speculating a bit too much.

I failed to take that into the argument, an error on my part, I thought the DNA request was the only attempt of Paxson. I still think a unprotected #1 was too much though.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07-06-2007 6:28 PM]

Where did you hear about the 6 yr/66 mil offer? I don't remember it but I could have just forgotten.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by COSSUCKS:

Fair enough. I was worried about you for a while.

Have a great weekend! :)

Same to you Cos, it was pretty stupid of me to overlook/forget that fact.