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ESOMKnicks wrote:A logical move. Biden has not been looking good on the alertness front.

Now, don't get me wrong: I believe Biden has so much experience that he could have run the country in his sleep. But "could have" does not mean "should have". And appearances matter. Nobody would let someone displaying signs of mental aging similar to Biden's operate heavy machinery or perhaps even an normal auto vehicle. So, it is understandable if people have concerns about him "operating" a whole country.

The problem is that this move may be coming too late. That Biden's age would be a problem was known a long time ago, and Democratic Party leadership whiffed on this issue by sticking with him for so long, robbing Harris of a good 6 months for building up her public image, recognition and credentials.

I, for one, do know much about her except that as a California prosecutor she went hard after marijuana cases. A really crappy credential for someone supporting the liberal cause. Despite her turnaround on the matter, I am still wondering if it is genuine or just lip service. Can she establish other credentials by November? Let's see.

Agree.

The Democratic Party should have seen that Bidens age would be an issue. Has been my view that they should have let the poor guy gracefully announce his retirement last year. Would have given them a chance to have a proper primary to determine who democrats would support. Also prep candidates, including Harris for debates and to defend shortcomings. I still blame the party for not seeing how Hillary had so much baggage, which blew up in their faces and allowed the MAGA movement and Trump to invade the White House.

However, Think that the right VP choice will make a huge difference and can catapult them to victory. That and a good performance by Harrison a debate

HofstraBBall wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:A logical move. Biden has not been looking good on the alertness front.

Now, don't get me wrong: I believe Biden has so much experience that he could have run the country in his sleep. But "could have" does not mean "should have". And appearances matter. Nobody would let someone displaying signs of mental aging similar to Biden's operate heavy machinery or perhaps even an normal auto vehicle. So, it is understandable if people have concerns about him "operating" a whole country.

The problem is that this move may be coming too late. That Biden's age would be a problem was known a long time ago, and Democratic Party leadership whiffed on this issue by sticking with him for so long, robbing Harris of a good 6 months for building up her public image, recognition and credentials.

I, for one, do know much about her except that as a California prosecutor she went hard after marijuana cases. A really crappy credential for someone supporting the liberal cause. Despite her turnaround on the matter, I am still wondering if it is genuine or just lip service. Can she establish other credentials by November? Let's see.

Agree.

The Democratic Party should have seen that Bidens age would be an issue. Has been my view that they should have let the poor guy gracefully announce his retirement last year. Would have given them a chance to have a proper primary to determine who democrats would support. Also prep candidates, including Harris for debates and to defend shortcomings. I still blame the party for not seeing how Hillary had so much baggage, which blew up in their faces and allowed the MAGA movement and Trump to invade the White House.

However, Think that the right VP choice will make a huge difference and can catapult them to victory. That and a good performance by Harrison a debate

The VP has been the #2 in our county for 4 years. She has previously been a presidential candidate. Candidly, if you are interested in knowing this person, there have been plenty of time and opportunity. Her positions won’t match Biden’s exactly but I don’t think there should be a major divergence outside of now being able to teach a younger audience on top of what has already been there?

The voting world over typically have elections that introduce candidates in half the time Americans have their introductory period. It is 5 months til the election?

Please check Kamala’s debate history and the way she interacted previously.

Kamala better bring the fire. The world gonna need it.

fishmike wrote:

martin wrote:Not for nothing, but isn't this a bit of good fortune in disguise for the Democrats? It's a far cry from Joe-jitsu but you possibly couldn't have it better from Kamala's standpoint.

As an incumbant, Joe breezed through primaries, Kamala won't have to slug through that.

The previous money, strategy, VP pick, RNC focus was all on Joe, ie. none on Kamala and now the Republicans and everyone else's $ behind those efforts have to be rethought and re-spent.

She and the Democrats just got a bounce that could carry them if they play the VP selection correctly.

Everything the RNC just ran on the Dems can point right back at them.

Kamala will cut him up in a debate.

also the biggest thing GOP had going for them was Biden's age and cognitive decline (despite the obviously same thing happening w/ orangeblobman)

Dont phuck up the VP pick and they got this

If it were only so clear cut what's not phucking it up. Should the VP candidate come from the more progressive or the more centrist side of the party?

ESOMKnicks wrote:

fishmike wrote:

martin wrote:Not for nothing, but isn't this a bit of good fortune in disguise for the Democrats? It's a far cry from Joe-jitsu but you possibly couldn't have it better from Kamala's standpoint.

As an incumbant, Joe breezed through primaries, Kamala won't have to slug through that.

The previous money, strategy, VP pick, RNC focus was all on Joe, ie. none on Kamala and now the Republicans and everyone else's $ behind those efforts have to be rethought and re-spent.

She and the Democrats just got a bounce that could carry them if they play the VP selection correctly.

Everything the RNC just ran on the Dems can point right back at them.

Kamala will cut him up in a debate.

also the biggest thing GOP had going for them was Biden's age and cognitive decline (despite the obviously same thing happening w/ orangeblobman)

Dont phuck up the VP pick and they got this

If it were only so clear cut what's not phucking it up. Should the VP candidate come from the more progressive or the more centrist side of the party?

I lean more progressive, but a centrist with a military background. Sen. Mark Kelly from AZ comes to mind.

Nalod wrote:I guess you get Dem Gov from a blue wall state like Shapiro or Cooper.
They love Shapiro Pennsylvania and thats an important state!
Cooper has done two terms in NC and out anyway. NC is a red state but vote blue for GOV and he has done a good job with GOP state senate. Very good business state and healthy. Keeps the bat **** crazy out.

Trump endorsed GOP bat **** crazy Mark Robinson for Gov saying he was better than Martin Luther King. Unreal statement even from Trump.

As you alluded to before, Trump could eat small children for dinner, and his electorate would not be swayed. You kinda cant help but admire and fear this strongman type. And lament people's tendency to completely fall for it time and again throughout history. Power is seductive not only to those who hold it, but also, and especially, to those who obey it.

martin wrote:Kamala should announce that Jack Smith will eventually be her AG pick when he is done with the rest of his work.

That'll fire up the troops.

Oh I like that