But what the night ended was Detroit got Duran and that might satisfy their desire to go for Mitch and perhaps Ayton.
Also Detroit maybe not be a player for brunson if that was really a thing.

More important for the night Knicks said they like IQ, Obi, grimes and Mcbride more than anything on the board.
Im not saying none get traded but that was a statement perhaps the faithful in their anger that they don’t have a “shiny new toy” to play with christmas day.

It will give aggravation that every pick after 11 who is good will be “knicks blew it”.
Brunson is not a star and won’t be paid like one. HE’ll be there to lift up RJ, Randle and mitch if he he stays.
He is young and proven as a very good 3rd option type player.

Any guard last night better than IQ? We’ll know in a few years but last night the answer was no.
Duran is 19. How long before he is ready? 2-3 years?

Did we pave room Rokas to come this year or next? Did FO also create money to bring him here? he might have been offered in a deal, and still might but not last night.

Nalod wrote:

Marv wrote:dismissing the bpa at 11 as a “shiny new toy” sound like denial to me

Could be. Im looking for reasons and perhaps tilt to not getting mad when I can’t see the end result.
If Brunson is landed its about how his chemistry and game fits and could elevate the others. I don’t view him as a star or the starhuch. But he won’t come cheap.
For that matter, there is still much to do.
We don’t know the plan so we don’t know what was possible last night, and contingents. Ivey was always a long shot. Fans get caught in the frenzy. Its fun.

lol you're cracking jokes about people being mad about the draft, like it's inevitable and you are in an ass licking mode of denial

this front office sucks. this was TERRIBLE. and unlike when Isiah did something like draft ****ing Renaldo Balkman, at least he made himself available to the ****ing media

unless they are colluding, and risking all those ****ty picks, Leon Rose and his mute band of morons should get fired

My only hope now is that with the disaster of moves we made, we'll be a bottom 3 team next year. Rose gets fired, TT gets fired. We start the rebuild over. Seems every team worse that us has improved.

Marv wrote:dismissing the bpa at 11 as a “shiny new toy” sound like denial to me

Dismissing the history we have of drafting pieces of **** at 8 thinking they were shiny new toys sounds worse to me

Trust me I’m the first person to open the door for Thibs and Leon during their exit. But I can also play devils advocate and let’s just hope their strategy doesn’t back fire. Let’s hope adding Brunson dad was part of the cheat code their needed. Now they should have some insight into what Brunson wants financially. The difference can be made up with agreements outside of his contract.

But I also agree that Thibs is showing some influence as well. Some can argue until they turn blue but thibs has already told u guys he’s not playing rooks or yoots over vets unless they are injured. I think IQ is no longer a rookie and when do we move him out of the yoot category. I believe thibs has his favorite young players like IQ and grimes who should get significant mins. But only time will tell. I still have hope.

My main concern is Leon was hired for his connections not his GM experience which was zero. I’m not seeing the benefit in having a GM with no experience and no results from his perceived networks or respect around the league. He’s not getting any special favors. So was it a mistake bringing him in? Would this team be better off with an experienced GM that doesn’t have perceived clout or networks. But is a competent GM? I hate to say it but hindsight is 2020 and if we don’t get Brunson why did we higher this new FO?

3 drafts with 2 lottery picks and almost $60mm in cap space and the big hope is we sign Brunson who gets us back to 45 wins and a few playoff games.

Rose is a more clever Isiah at this point. Rose is no talk all action... except there's no results

fishmike wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Weak draft. Griffin can shoot but is just a catch and shoot guy and already has an injury history. Duren is redundant with Mitch, Noel and Sims already here. We need to sign a pg and now can plus we have future draft picks

trading to 2023 would have been smart. All we was waste a pick to undo last year's mistake(s)

what pick was wasted? Unless i'm missing something we used our Denver 2023 pick but got back a Milwaukee 2025 pick -- more of a pick swap. Plus were we really going to want 3 or 4 first rounders next year?

Chandler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Weak draft. Griffin can shoot but is just a catch and shoot guy and already has an injury history. Duren is redundant with Mitch, Noel and Sims already here. We need to sign a pg and now can plus we have future draft picks

trading to 2023 would have been smart. All we was waste a pick to undo last year's mistake(s)

what pick was wasted? Unless i'm missing something we used our Denver 2023 pick but got back a Milwaukee 2025 pick -- more of a pick swap. Plus were we really going to want 3 or 4 first rounders next year?

So we traded a present #11 for a future Milwaukee pick 2 years out that will likely be at the back end of the draft. Do you understand the concept of present day value of money, same applies to draft picks. In the NFL a 2nd round pick this year is worth a first rounder next year, as present value is greater than future years.

Drafting now, you get something tangible and development of a player for a year.

Did you read the protections on those other picks, we are NOT getting those picks next year, so again even if we do, we trade a near top 10 pick THIS YEAR (more value than future years if exactly equal) for a mid pick in Next Years draft....which will NEVER happen.