jaydh wrote:Mitchell Robinson is a UFA at seasons end. You have to do something with him before then.

Why and No you don't.

Knixkik wrote:If the Knicks are sold on Brunson and he’s telling his CAA guys he wants to sign there then I’ll offer Obi and Walker for Brunson and a filler like Powell, Kleber or Bullock. Brunson is only 25 and could grow into a VanVleet type. Obi is great, but I see Reddish taking his minutes as a stretch 4 and think he will need another opportunity to really develop.

The one thing that has been telling for me in the Cam trade (and the draft pick trade down maneuvering in previous 2 drafts) is that the Knicks as an organization understand their standing in a trade and use their position to the best advantage they can. It's one thing to trade a top 18 protected pick for Cam, quite another to get a 2025 pick AND $$ for paying off Solomon Hill salary IMO; they knew the exact landscape of Cam value and maximized their return. In previous years, multiple picks or their own 2022 unprotected pick would have been included.

Without any added acknowledgement via media or team, I think the Knicks really like Obi. They know his flaws and know he has a long way to go but I don't think they trade him in this particular scenario and hold him out of trades unless it is for a much better player than Brunson. Right now Obi's value is probably down a hint cause of his minutes. He adds a more reliable jumpshot and more minutes and he value goes waaayyy up and the Knicks know that.

The Knicks know Brunson can walk from the Mavs as an UFA. Mavs know Jalen's dad probably freely talks to the Knicks and they know what type of deal Jalen wants and where he would like to land. IMHO both Leon and Thibs and most of the entire FO have high regard for Jalen as a player.

I think we need the 3&D PG that Miles McBride could become. Ty Haliburton is on that mold. Lonzo Ball fit the bill. Strong on point defense and 40+ from 3 with the ability to lead an offense in a half court set. I’m not a huge fan of D’aaron Fox. His defense leaves a lot to be desired. I don’t think the kind of player I want is available at this time.

We also need a 3&D SF that Reddish could become. I like. 7’ wingspan, some athleticism and the ability to guard 2/3/4. Also hoping for a 40% shooter. Reddish shows shooting ability but might be lacking on shot selection with an undefined role in ATL. This is what I like about Jerami Grant and his 7’3 wingspan and why I would be willing to spend to get him.

A passing center. Noel and Robinson have a lot of the same traits. I think the idea with Randle was that he would pass a bit more from the post. Lately, he looks more like this guy. 9 assists is amazing. If Randle can shoot 40 from 3 again and get 6+ assists, I can move to a more defensive C. Myles Turner hasn’t shown this passing proficiency, though with Sabonis next to him, it’s easy to understand why. But Turner is probably the best defensive center on the planet (no disrespect to Rudy Gobert intended - give me a few more words to explain) and if the Pacers Swiss cheese perimeter defense didn’t allow them to make Turner work on every play, I think you might see a different version of Turner take over Rudy Gobert in the near term.

It will be expensive to get Grant and Turner, but if there is a deal out there, I am a buyer.

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:If the Knicks are sold on Brunson and he’s telling his CAA guys he wants to sign there then I’ll offer Obi and Walker for Brunson and a filler like Powell, Kleber or Bullock. Brunson is only 25 and could grow into a VanVleet type. Obi is great, but I see Reddish taking his minutes as a stretch 4 and think he will need another opportunity to really develop.

The one thing that has been telling for me in the Cam trade (and the draft pick trade down maneuvering in previous 2 drafts) is that the Knicks as an organization understand their standing in a trade and use their position to the best advantage they can. It's one thing to trade a top 18 protected pick for Cam, quite another to get a 2025 pick AND $$ for paying off Solomon Hill salary IMO; they knew the exact landscape of Cam value and maximized their return. In previous years, multiple picks or their own 2022 unprotected pick would have been included.

Without any added acknowledgement via media or team, I think the Knicks really like Obi. They know his flaws and know he has a long way to go but I don't think they trade him in this particular scenario and hold him out of trades unless it is for a much better player than Brunson. Right now Obi's value is probably down a hint cause of his minutes. He adds a more reliable jumpshot and more minutes and he value goes waaayyy up and the Knicks know that.

The Knicks know Brunson can walk from the Mavs as an UFA. Mavs know Jalen's dad probably freely talks to the Knicks and they know what type of deal Jalen wants and where he would like to land. IMHO both Leon and Thibs and most of the entire FO have high regard for Jalen as a player.

I agree about how resourceful they are. But I also believe they would absolutely trade Obi for Brunson now without knowing 100% what will happen this summer. Brunson is averaging 20 points and 7 assists in the 15 games Doncic hasn’t played this year. This could be a Fred VanVleet type with the right opportunity. I do agree they love Obi and have an investment in him, but they may be comfortable allowing him an opportunity with the Mavs that he is unlikely to get here. Cam will play plenty of 4 the rest of his career, likely much of it in NY. Obi is getting pinched as his game is reliant on a style of play we probably will never fully commit to. His impact will always be limited to non-Randle minutes on the court. If we traded for someone like Fox, sure. But right now I don’t see an obvious trade to compliment Obi’s skill set. If Brunson ends up being a quality starting PG for this team the next 5+ years, it’s easy to justify trading Toppin for him. But obviously it would be great to get Brunson without giving up Obi too.

Rookie wrote:With Zack Levine hurt and the Knicks need for a young PG, could the stars align for a Coby White for Obi trade? We could have Kemba to mentor Coby. He is a scoring guard with a lot of talent and only three months older then RJ

How does this make sense? The Knicks already have like 7 PGs and combo guards who need minutes

Fournier, Quickley and 2 1st rd picks and 2 2nd rd picks for Grant. Same feel about the protections, but better to get players in the door.

McBride/Rose
Barrett/Grimes
Grant/Reddish
Randle/Toppin
Turner/Noel

Team doesn’t have a “superstar” or even a top 20 player. But man, I think that 1st team would play pretty amazing bulldog defense and that 2nd team could run around other second units.

I’m giving up a lot of firsts for this team, but I think they would earn out…

martin wrote:

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:

Rookie wrote:With Zack Levine hurt and the Knicks need for a young PG, could the stars align for a Coby White for Obi trade? We could have Kemba to mentor Coby. He is a scoring guard with a lot of talent and only three months older then RJ

How does this make sense? The Knicks already have like 7 PGs and combo guards who need minutes

It makes sense because I am a Tar Heels fan

OK fair enough but I think the Knicks are all in on Duke and Kentucky

It would make it an interesting locker room. Coby’s stock is rising. Perfect 6th man microwave who is getting better at D and quarterbacking. On the same timeline as the rest of our kids and he’s 6’4”. I believe he still holds the state high school scoring record.

Jimbo5 wrote:I know there are alot of rumors linking knicks to have interests in Grant, LaVert, Turner and Brunson. I think none of them have any legs except for Brunson. Thibs and the FO values team chemistry, and after seeing how the team responded by adding Evan and Kemba, i think the Front office will shy away from any major trades mid season.

I think its possiblethe FO will try hard to trade for Brubson before the deadline, even though Brunson is an unrestricted free agent with lots of ties with the knicks, i dont think the knicks have the cap space to give a decent offer to Brunson in the offseason thats why trading for him now might be a better option if they really want Brunson.

I don't see how Jermai Grant is a fit here. He is a worse version of Randle. The Knicks need a PG, get longer at SF (Trade from the glut of SG's) , and a Center.