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xavier
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3/4/2021 4:04 AM
ekstarks94 wrote:Why trade with the nets....that was not the best deal...it was the only deal because one James Harden made it clear he wanted Brooklyn...at that point no team is giving up real assets for him...hence the nets got a top 10 player for less than they gave up for KG and crew.. I do not know that. And it seemed to me at the time that there were hypothetically better packages. But maybe they just didn’t want to send Harden to Phila since Morey was there, and it turned out he left Houston just before Harden asked for a trade. It's hard to imagine Morey didn't know Harden wants out and that was probably one of the reasons he left...and then he went to Phila and brought "dissatisfied" Harden there. I can imagine Rockets saying "there is no way that will happen". Miami was mentioned with some interesting package, but in the end it turned out that they gave up anyway and didn’t even want to get into the business. So in the end this was probably the best package available. Regarding Rubio, what kind of leverage did Kobe and Francis have? Rubio at least had Barcelona as a backup plan. And Kobe threatened to play in Europe if the Hornets don’t trade him. What could Francis have done? |
Nalod
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3/4/2021 7:59 AM
Article in ESPN about this. Morey knew in the bubble last year Harden would not be happy without an upgrade and they were out of assets to make deals. It is speculated (not this article) that ownership wanted Westbrook. I don’t fault Morey for leaving if owner not in sync with his GM. It happens when a dude buys a team. Wants it his way. Morey was there 13 years. Obviously Morey could walk and Fertitta did not have a non compete so he was free to do what he wanted. I was likely down to Nets and 76ers were where the teams in play.
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xavier
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3/4/2021 9:31 AM
Nalod wrote:Article in ESPN about this. Morey knew in the bubble last year Harden would not be happy without an upgrade and they were out of assets to make deals. It is speculated (not this article) that ownership wanted Westbrook. I don’t fault Morey for leaving if owner not in sync with his GM. It happens when a dude buys a team. Wants it his way. Morey was there 13 years. Obviously Morey could walk and Fertitta did not have a non compete so he was free to do what he wanted. I was likely down to Nets and 76ers were where the teams in play. I didn't even say that it was Morey's fault, but I can understand that Rockets could say they would not accept Phila's offer and send Harden there, but would rather send him to the Nets, although the offer was perhaps a bit lower overall. According to what was written in the media, Phila's offer with Simmons seemed better to me, because if everything goes as they hope for the Nets, all these picks won't be anything special. |
Nalod
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3/4/2021 9:41 AM
xavier wrote:Nalod wrote:Article in ESPN about this. Morey knew in the bubble last year Harden would not be happy without an upgrade and they were out of assets to make deals. It is speculated (not this article) that ownership wanted Westbrook. I don’t fault Morey for leaving if owner not in sync with his GM. It happens when a dude buys a team. Wants it his way. Morey was there 13 years. Obviously Morey could walk and Fertitta did not have a non compete so he was free to do what he wanted. I was likely down to Nets and 76ers were where the teams in play. I agree with your assessment with Simmons being a good return but with John Wall thats a lot of money tied up in the back court and might be clumsy. Wall/Harden was not a good idea either. In fact, Westbrook/Harden had some aspects that were not great. |
TPercy
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3/4/2021 9:47 AM
People at ESPN are full of **** and frankly Brian should be ashamed of himself. “Ppl around the league believe a star is going in next 12 months” is a story I can write about ANY NBA team without any consequences, especially the Knicks because then they will turn around and mock us if it dosent come true or sing their praises if it does.
The Future is Bright!
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Nalod
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3/4/2021 9:54 AM
TPercy wrote:People at ESPN are full of **** and frankly Brian should be ashamed of himself. “Ppl around the league believe a star is going in next 12 months” is a story I can write about ANY NBA team without any consequences, especially the Knicks because then they will turn around and mock us if it dosent come true or sing their praises if it does. I heard it as part of a conversation in his podcast. He was vague, was quick to say he was not “reporting it” and “Would not name”. I don’t follow his every word but in the context of the convo it was not a highlight. |
TPercy
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3/4/2021 12:07 PM
Nalod wrote:TPercy wrote:People at ESPN are full of **** and frankly Brian should be ashamed of himself. “Ppl around the league believe a star is going in next 12 months” is a story I can write about ANY NBA team without any consequences, especially the Knicks because then they will turn around and mock us if it dosent come true or sing their praises if it does. Well they sure are running with it. Mind you the Suns are having their most impressive season since Horny was coaching and they wanna pull this disrespectful nonsense. The Future is Bright!
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Jimbo5
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3/4/2021 12:11 PM
Same source nalod,an article that Brian windhorts said he thinks a superstar may come within 12 months. Not really going crazy with a possible trade for a superstar unless its Luka, il be willing to part with one of the young core and 3 1st rounders.
Not really focusing on a possible trade coz luka demanding a trade to the knicks will never happen. The thing that got my attention with this news is not really the prospect of a superstar trade but rather the knicks have finally improve their image around the league and the chances a free agent superstar will choose the knicks have increased or so i think.we can test this theory in the offseason if oladipo and kahwai are there in free agency. |
Nalod
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3/4/2021 1:51 PM
It respects the knicks but not PHX, I agree. Its talk radio so they stretch it. Book not a free agent for years. "Forcing" implies a trade and they not talking about what it takes and what is left.
That PHX is doing so well does not really jive with the momentum. Its dudes speculating. WE do it, they do it. Knicks in conversation is at least respect and not hate by media. Next year is CP3 last. He goes down hurt and PHX falters it might make sense for PHX to make a deal and reboot with what we give them. And it will be expensive for us. |
smackeddog
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3/4/2021 5:18 PM LAST EDITED: 3/4/2021 5:28 PM
I think KAT would be the most likely. Twolves are meant to be interested in John Collins on the Hawks, so I wonder if we could do a three way trade, where we land Collins from the Hawks (who it seems Atlanta don’t want to pay) and then ship him to the Twolves with Mitch or whatever for KAT. Though maybe the Hawks just do Capela and Collins for KAT
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ekstarks94
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3/4/2021 7:17 PM
xavier wrote:ekstarks94 wrote:Why trade with the nets....that was not the best deal...it was the only deal because one James Harden made it clear he wanted Brooklyn...at that point no team is giving up real assets for him...hence the nets got a top 10 player for less than they gave up for KG and crew.. How many "Star" players that say they want to go get shipped to someplace they are not happy with...none. The Nets package was the best under the circumstances because it was the only one...Fertitia wanted to bleed Phila dry....understandable...so it was prohibitive for Morey....if not for Morey in Phila and they are dealing with Doc....Simmons/Maxy and pick or two will do it....forget about fit...they could leverage Simmons into something a lot more...if Fertitia could look pass Morey dumping him he could have gotten a better deal.....The only reason that Phila came up was because of the relationship with Harden...the Nets it was KD, Kyrie, & MDA....if Harden opened up his list teams would have been putting substantive offers on the table..Miami had nothing....Pat Riley is good but he is not that good...Tyler Herro & Duncan Robinson and several picks in 2030 and beyond is not enough... Kobe and Franchise had some leverage because they got what they wanted and Rubio did not have any because he went to Minny....in fact Minny thought he may stay overseas that is why they drafted Johnny Flynn...in the end STARs go to where they want or a place that is palatable..."Always Have...Always Will be".... |
Jimbo5
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3/6/2021 6:32 AM
According to Jay Williams of ESPN he was able to unmasked the supposed superstar who wants to join the Knicks no other than Devin Booker. Unfortunately rumors like these are just based on personal opinion, nothing more so far. Its hard to believe that Booker will be interested in joining the knicks specialy now that the suns are doing very well being second seed in the West.
Is it possible Booker with all his connections with the current Knicks management will be interested in asking for a trade to the knicks? The answer is a maybe but until the time we hear it directly from Booker, it os what it is, just a rumor based on a person's opinion. Hopefully we can see more concrete signs that star players now have the Knicks in their radar. |
GustavBahler
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3/6/2021 10:20 AM LAST EDITED: 3/6/2021 10:28 AM
Jimbo5 wrote:According to Jay Williams of ESPN he was able to unmasked the supposed superstar who wants to join the Knicks no other than Devin Booker. Unfortunately rumors like these are just based on personal opinion, nothing more so far. Its hard to believe that Booker will be interested in joining the knicks specialy now that the suns are doing very well being second seed in the West. We should be asking if its worth giving up the store for Booker? Assuming Randle stays, my guess would be that it takes RJ/Mitch, maybe Obi (Stat-like) a couple of first rounders, more to make the salaries work. If its not this exact trade, it will be costly nonetheless. RJ is just getting started. Mitch as well. They've both made big strides this season. Giving up mutiple players who are showing they dont really need to be replaced. We would also be mortgaging the future again. We would be disrupting the continuity, this team hasnt largely experienced since the 1990s. I can look back on times where the team had the makings of a good core, only to see new mgmt come in and blow it to hades. If the FO trades for a star, I hope they take a real long look at what's left. Not tell themselves that they'll fix the roster imbalance later. Might not be fast enough. The best shot we have to acquire a star, without giving up the store IMO, is in Free Agency. The FO can thin out the roster enough to bring in a star, without gutting the roster, wrecking the chemistry |