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1/28/2021  10:02 PM
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knicks1248 wrote:Any time someone says go ask the player, it's not good.

I recall the same response months before KP was traded, and i mention that.

Thibodeau said before the season that Robinson should improve his free throws before venturing further out. That hasn’t happened. Robinson is shooting just 44% from the charity stripe, a steep drop from last season. The Knicks’ offense, meanwhile, mostly runs through Julius Randle, with RJ Barrett sprinkled in.

Tom Thibodeau said he hasn’t talked to Mitchell Robinson about his deleted tweet and doesn’t seem interested in addressing it with his center.


“I’ve never coached through the media or social media or whatever that is,” Thibodeau said. “My conversations with him, that’s never come up.”


Thibodeau added that it’s better to ask Robinson about his tweet, but the 22-year-old wasn’t made available to the media Thursday by the Knicks. Two days prior, Robinson tweeted — and immediately deleted — “One day they’ll let me play.” It was widely interpreted as a gripe about offensive opportunities after he took just four shots in 31 minutes that same night against Utah.

So basically he wants to do more and they're holding back..

. I think you’re reading way too much into it as usual

When asked if Porzingis feels comfortable with his current contract situation, Perry said, "That's a question you'd have to ask him.

You truly be in DENIAL sometimes

Less than 90 days later he was traded

Trust me they are not on the same page, and that 7 rebound effort against the jazz was also telling, right after that effort came the tweet. With Thibs response and Mitch's Maturity, it's going to be a problem

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1/28/2021  10:36 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
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knicks1248 wrote:Any time someone says go ask the player, it's not good.

I recall the same response months before KP was traded, and i mention that.

Thibodeau said before the season that Robinson should improve his free throws before venturing further out. That hasn’t happened. Robinson is shooting just 44% from the charity stripe, a steep drop from last season. The Knicks’ offense, meanwhile, mostly runs through Julius Randle, with RJ Barrett sprinkled in.

Tom Thibodeau said he hasn’t talked to Mitchell Robinson about his deleted tweet and doesn’t seem interested in addressing it with his center.


“I’ve never coached through the media or social media or whatever that is,” Thibodeau said. “My conversations with him, that’s never come up.”


Thibodeau added that it’s better to ask Robinson about his tweet, but the 22-year-old wasn’t made available to the media Thursday by the Knicks. Two days prior, Robinson tweeted — and immediately deleted — “One day they’ll let me play.” It was widely interpreted as a gripe about offensive opportunities after he took just four shots in 31 minutes that same night against Utah.

So basically he wants to do more and they're holding back..

. I think you’re reading way too much into it as usual

When asked if Porzingis feels comfortable with his current contract situation, Perry said, "That's a question you'd have to ask him.

You truly be in DENIAL sometimes

Less than 90 days later he was traded

Trust me they are not on the same page, and that 7 rebound effort against the jazz was also telling, right after that effort came thfe tweet. With Thibs response and Mitch's Maturity, it's going to be a problem

. You do make me laugh 1248. Logic doesn’t come out in most of your posts but humor does. Thanks 😂
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1/29/2021  1:50 PM
Maybe he can learn to hit free throws better than Chris Dudley. That would be a nice change.
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1/29/2021  3:49 PM
martin wrote:

You know, I read the above tweet and this article https://nypost.com/2021/01/29/mitchell-robinson-tries-to-end-knicks-deleted-tweet-drama/.

He doesn't really come across as someone that is frustrated. When he says it was a personal thing, sounds a lot like someone in his personal life was involved in that tweet and he doesn't want to get into the details. Maybe someone in his family or friends thinking he should have a bigger role and got ahold of his phone. I'm just speculating, but it doesn't feel like other instances where players are unhappy. He's moved into the starting lineup and is progressing pretty well.

This is the Randle.
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2/16/2021  9:27 AM
Im not advocating to trade mitch, but when he went down, the knicks actually increase the lead, and yesterday against the hawks we played with a quicker pace, and having Randle at the 5 (stretching the floor), he was banging in 3's (a career high 7) from all over the court.

We need a stretch 5

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2/16/2021  9:37 AM
knicks1248 wrote:Im not advocating to trade mitch, but when he went down, the knicks actually increase the lead, and yesterday against the hawks we played with a quicker pace, and having Randle at the 5 (stretching the floor), he was banging in 3's (a career high 7) from all over the court.

We need a stretch 5

yeah? Who? Trey Burke?
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2/16/2021  9:57 AM
knicks1248 wrote:Im not advocating to trade mitch, but when he went down, the knicks actually increase the lead, and yesterday against the hawks we played with a quicker pace, and having Randle at the 5 (stretching the floor), he was banging in 3's (a career high 7) from all over the court.

We need a stretch 5


You're not sure that wasn't due to the fact that 1) It was because Randle was being guarded by John Collins 2) The Knicks have Rose, who consistently pushes the pace 3) Thibs is purpose ly slowing the pace down with the first unit to try and improve the team's chances of winning?
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2/16/2021  10:32 AM
knicks1248 wrote:Im not advocating to trade mitch, but when he went down, the knicks actually increase the lead, and yesterday against the hawks we played with a quicker pace, and having Randle at the 5 (stretching the floor), he was banging in 3's (a career high 7) from all over the court.

We need a stretch 5

I don't think the answer is that simple. A stretch 5 will do wonders on offense, and terrible with defense and rebounding. So the solution is not as simple as you think. Having someone like Randle who can shoot, score in the post, pass and play defense. We already have this in Randle. Turner from the Pacers is a nice stretch 5 who also protects the rim on defense. I think in NY, regardless if you can shoot. If you can't play defense, it's not going to work. Having a specialist off the bench is fine. But replacing someone in the starting lineup, who's expected to log major minutes, they have to do more than shoot 3s. And the more we add on to this make believe player, he becomes more of a player that doesn't exist.

For example, Steve Novak is a stretch 5. Is he the future center we need in the starting lineup? I don't think so, but I could be wrong. He would be great off the bench though. So it's not that easy as it may seem. And the FO is not making any knee jerking moves like past FO did. I think the methodical moves they've made so far, while allowing the current team to develop some since of chemistry, has worked wonders. Adding Rose did more than I ever thought off. On and off the court.

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2/16/2021  11:11 AM
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StarksEwing1 wrote:I know you have never been a fan of Mitch and wanted him traded pretty much from the get go so this isn’t too surprising. Mitch is probably never going To be a big offensive player but he isn’t he problem. Plus he is still young and can develop more offensively


I don't care about trading any player on this Roster if it gives us the better chance of winning NOW and in the future.

How can i have any personal attachment to any player on this roster when we haven't won anything.

My favorite knicks of all time are Spree, Allan, walt, and ewing, think about what they brought to the table, and the heart and soul they played with

Starks you have a personal attachment to every player the knicks draft, regardless to how good or bad they are.

I have no “personal attachment”. Your topic just doesn’t make sense. You haven’t even made any sort of realistic trade proposal. You just said he NEEDS to be traded

What am going to send my proposal to Leon and thibs, there's a ton of trade options out there.

I'm just lookin at sort of like the Ewing/camby. When Ewing was on the floor we had a slow methodical half court game, when Camby/Childs/spree/ subbed in, we had a high pace high flying game, so we could go either way depending on how the game was going.

It's just good to have different options...as you have witness, we are still a solid team when either one of these guys don't play.

Why Are so opposed to trading one of them, especially if it make the team better?

I like what both of those guys bring, i just think why have 2 guys who do the exact same thing.

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2/16/2021  11:41 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/16/2021  11:42 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:I know you have never been a fan of Mitch and wanted him traded pretty much from the get go so this isn’t too surprising. Mitch is probably never going To be a big offensive player but he isn’t he problem. Plus he is still young and can develop more offensively


I don't care about trading any player on this Roster if it gives us the better chance of winning NOW and in the future.

How can i have any personal attachment to any player on this roster when we haven't won anything.

My favorite knicks of all time are Spree, Allan, walt, and ewing, think about what they brought to the table, and the heart and soul they played with

Starks you have a personal attachment to every player the knicks draft, regardless to how good or bad they are.

I have no “personal attachment”. Your topic just doesn’t make sense. You haven’t even made any sort of realistic trade proposal. You just said he NEEDS to be traded

What am going to send my proposal to Leon and thibs, there's a ton of trade options out there.

I'm just lookin at sort of like the Ewing/camby. When Ewing was on the floor we had a slow methodical half court game, when Camby/Childs/spree/ subbed in, we had a high pace high flying game, so we could go either way depending on how the game was going.

It's just good to have different options...as you have witness, we are still a solid team when either one of these guys don't play.

Why Are so opposed to trading one of them, especially if it make the team better?

I like what both of those guys bring, i just think why have 2 guys who do the exact same thing.

We have two players with the same skill set. One starts, one comes off the bench. One is ready to step in when the other gets hurt. Mitch and Noel are two of the best interior defenders in the league top 10. You should be happy to have that much D on tap. Helps make us the number one Defense.

Obi will become more of a force on offense. We can always add another big without trading two of the best stoppers in the league. If we were talking about a PG who rarely gets buckets, I'd agree because they're running the offense. Once the PG position ia set, we should get more offense out of our bigs.
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2/16/2021  12:30 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/16/2021  12:35 PM
I think having 2 bigs to anker your starting unit and bench unit, is a dream all NBA teams wish they had. I think if we do trade one of them (for the record, I'm not a fan of this thinking. I think this thinking is the hole our FO is trying to dig us out of). But I would have to have a defensive player in return, similar to what I traded away. So basically it's like trading away a player, so that you can get back that same player, plus more. Otherwise, I think the risk out weighs the reward.
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blkexec wrote:I think having 2 bigs to anker your starting unit and bench unit, is a dream all NBA teams wish they had. I think if we do trade one of them (for the record, I'm not a fan of this thinking. I think this thinking is the hole our FO is trying to dig us out of). But I would have to have a defensive player in return, similar to what I traded away. So basically it's like trading away a player, so that you can get back that same player, plus more. Otherwise, I think the risk out weighs the reward.
stretch 5, we could also use a SF with a good handle, can hit the 3 and is an elite defender who can handle guarding 1-4. A young non-drug addicted Lamar Odom comes to mind.

Notice none of 1248's wishes have actual NBA players attached to them. That's where these thoughts run out of gas. Also we are WINNING games because of our defense and rim protection and NOT just jacking 3s and living and dying by them

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2/16/2021  1:33 PM
Is there even such a player in the league today on any team that is a defensive minded player who can also be considered a stretch 5?

Embiib, Myles Turner.

Marc Gasol/Serge back in the day?

Cause as soon as you trade for a true stretch 5 player you start to wonder when that player is going to start to rebound and block a few shots and intimidate around the rim?

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2/16/2021  1:48 PM
martin wrote:Is there even such a player in the league today on any team that is a defensive minded player who can also be considered a stretch 5?

Embiib, Myles Turner.

Marc Gasol/Serge back in the day?

Cause as soon as you trade for a true stretch 5 player you start to wonder when that player is going to start to rebound and block a few shots and intimidate around the rim?


If it were that simple, they'd just run out more small ball lineups with Randle at 5. Problem solved! Oh wait, the defense gets exposed, Randle picks up more fouls, players become even more worn out and the team starts spinning out of control. The reason the teams pace is slower isn't because of Mitch and Embiid. They're two of the most athletic bigs in the league. I'm sure both of them would like to run more. Thibs like the idea of starting a PG who defenders only need to guard once every 3-5 games. That's messing up space. Also, realistically, you're not gonna tank that high in pace when the offense is be ran through your 250 PF whose playing nearly 40 mins a game.
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2/16/2021  7:43 PM
Paying Mitch big $ could is risk but he does a lot to stabilize our defense.. Noel does this as well but a stretch 5 would be nice. Markkanen at 23yrs would be guy you look at.
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TLover wrote:Paying Mitch big $ could is risk but he does a lot to stabilize our defense.. Noel does this as well but a stretch 5 would be nice. Markkanen at 23yrs would be guy you look at.

Is Lauri a 5? Not sure the bulls even know. Also, not sure he's Thibs type of guy.

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martin wrote:Is there even such a player in the league today on any team that is a defensive minded player who can also be considered a stretch 5?

Embiib, Myles Turner.

Marc Gasol/Serge back in the day?

Cause as soon as you trade for a true stretch 5 player you start to wonder when that player is going to start to rebound and block a few shots and intimidate around the rim?

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BigDaddyG wrote:
TLover wrote:Paying Mitch big $ could is risk but he does a lot to stabilize our defense.. Noel does this as well but a stretch 5 would be nice. Markkanen at 23yrs would be guy you look at.

Is Lauri a 5? Not sure the bulls even know. Also, not sure he's Thibs type of guy.

Yeah he isn’t a 5. Not a rim protecting one anyway. But it would be nice to acquire a stretch 5 for flexibility purposes. Gorgui Dieng is a good shout for us in FA. Wouldn’t start but would be a nice option to have imo.

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2/17/2021  12:24 PM
TPercy wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
TLover wrote:Paying Mitch big $ could is risk but he does a lot to stabilize our defense.. Noel does this as well but a stretch 5 would be nice. Markkanen at 23yrs would be guy you look at.

Is Lauri a 5? Not sure the bulls even know. Also, not sure he's Thibs type of guy.

Yeah he isn’t a 5. Not a rim protecting one anyway. But it would be nice to acquire a stretch 5 for flexibility purposes. Gorgui Dieng is a good shout for us in FA. Wouldn’t start but would be a nice option to have imo.


Taking a flier on Mo Bomba could be worth it. Let’s see what he does against us tonight.
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