knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:I know you have never been a fan of Mitch and wanted him traded pretty much from the get go so this isn’t too surprising. Mitch is probably never going To be a big offensive player but he isn’t he problem. Plus he is still young and can develop more offensively

I don't care about trading any player on this Roster if it gives us the better chance of winning NOW and in the future.

How can i have any personal attachment to any player on this roster when we haven't won anything.

My favorite knicks of all time are Spree, Allan, walt, and ewing, think about what they brought to the table, and the heart and soul they played with

Starks you have a personal attachment to every player the knicks draft, regardless to how good or bad they are.

I have no “personal attachment”. Your topic just doesn’t make sense. You haven’t even made any sort of realistic trade proposal. You just said he NEEDS to be traded

I'm not proposing no trade proposal because I have been posting here for over 15 yrs and am yet to see a trade idea that actually happen, and it's been 100's

And again, I'm saying trade one because they both have the same game. Imagine if IQ's game was just like Peyton, what would be the purpose

Neither play at the same time so trading one would make zero difference.

This is all just very stupid

Noel has characteristically underperformed his draft position, but is about as solid of a team player and a backup center as you will find. If the issue is that he doesn’t shoot threes, that is a bit silly.

I like the plug and play aspects of this team to a large degree. If MR gets in foul trouble, you aren’t really at much of a disadvantage with NN in there. I think their defensive tilt and their similar defensive style are a benefit. I don’t think it is a problem.

MS wrote:
Noel is the guy to move and then you split the center minutes btw Randle and Obi.

This would be an unmitigated disaster. They would be eaten raw by any half-decent physical opposing center. It is not like Noel is a mount of muscle either, but at least he has decent length for the position. And remember, Noel was brought in as a backup precisely because we did not have too many good options for the center position. Being ready to trade him will not multiply those options. Teams will pause at giving up a good big guy in exchange for Noel.

knicks1248 wrote:Neither one of these guys are franchise players, neither one of them are all stars, neither one is dominate force .

The fact is the Center position has evolve and their Games haven't, it's disappointing for me to see 3 yrs in the league and Mitch hasn't even develop a post up game, let alone a perimeter one.

You have to get better every yr or some young kid is going to come through and replace you, I said that about frank and sure enough IQ came in a snatch is PT easy

In a contract yr I expected a little more from MItch, and it seem the only thing he's develop is a knack for not fouling a lot

Using frank or any one player in contrast as your example is comical. Your logic is not unsound but your obviously in envy to have a 7ft euro shooting from the outside. Maybe Bropez or the like.
what you’ll find if you think about it is how hard they are to find and even when you do stay healthy. Some like the Orlando kid is ok but not a franchise carrier. The Nurkic for JOkic trade was amazing in retrospect.
I know its only been like 5 games but you already have Obi career laid out or can’t see past Randle?
We get your impressionable so try to think outside the box as to what’s possible.
For the most part lets assume Norlens is just a back up on a one year deal.
Let’s assume MR who will be happy he was only a second round pick as he gets freedom at 4th year is Clint Capella. Still gets a 90mil deal.
Take off the tin foil hat and look at MR this season and think not what he isn’t, but how good is it he is not fouling out and doing stupid shyt. 2 games under .500 after 16 games is not bad for where we were or projected.
How many points does Robinson get on offensive boards? HIs man cannot leave him to help on defense because he gets so many of them. This opens the lane up for Quick when they play together.
Do I want them to expand his repertoire? Of course I do.
Its been discussed trading mitch because of his contract and a contender whose cap is spent could find great value in trading for him. Good idea? Would you trade your top scorer if you the top offensive team in the league? If you the top defensive team, do you trade your best defensive player?
Ask yourself that.
Make Leon an offer he can’t refuse and perhaps we go from their. Seems like Knicks are in a position to do good things either way.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Neither one of these guys are franchise players, neither one of them are all stars, neither one is dominate force .

The fact is the Center position has evolve and their Games haven't, it's disappointing for me to see 3 yrs in the league and Mitch hasn't even develop a post up game, let alone a perimeter one.

You have to get better every yr or some young kid is going to come through and replace you, I said that about frank and sure enough IQ came in a snatch is PT easy

In a contract yr I expected a little more from MItch, and it seem the only thing he's develop is a knack for not fouling a lot

Using frank or any one player in contrast as your example is comical. Your logic is not unsound but your obviously in envy to have a 7ft euro shooting from the outside. Maybe Bropez or the like.
what you’ll find if you think about it is how hard they are to find and even when you do stay healthy. Some like the Orlando kid is ok but not a franchise carrier. The Nurkic for JOkic trade was amazing in retrospect.
I know its only been like 5 games but you already have Obi career laid out or can’t see past Randle?
We get your impressionable so try to think outside the box as to what’s possible.
For the most part lets assume Norlens is just a back up on a one year deal.
Let’s assume MR who will be happy he was only a second round pick as he gets freedom at 4th year is Clint Capella. Still gets a 90mil deal.
Take off the tin foil hat and look at MR this season and think not what he isn’t, but how good is it he is not fouling out and doing stupid shyt. 2 games under .500 after 16 games is not bad for where we were or projected.
How many points does Robinson get on offensive boards? HIs man cannot leave him to help on defense because he gets so many of them. This opens the lane up for Quick when they play together.
Do I want them to expand his repertoire? Of course I do.
Its been discussed trading mitch because of his contract and a contender whose cap is spent could find great value in trading for him. Good idea? Would you trade your top scorer if you the top offensive team in the league? If you the top defensive team, do you trade your best defensive player?
Ask yourself that.
Make Leon an offer he can’t refuse and perhaps we go from their. Seems like Knicks are in a position to do good things either way.

I like 1248. Logic doesn’t exist in his posts BUT they are comical in a good way with everything going on the past year 😂

coming from a guy who thought Frank was the knicks Future PG...

We are DEAD LAST in scoring, and your trying to make it look as if Trading mitch or Noel would be a bad thing. 2 slow ass players

Dude Luka is avg more rebounds than both of our Centers..

For you to even be opposed to trading one of them is just stupid and narrow minded.

Is this the premise?

Knicks have a ****ty offense cause they have a ****ty starting PG and no consistent distance shooting, so let's focus in on the 2 C's?

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Neither one of these guys are franchise players, neither one of them are all stars, neither one is dominate force .

The fact is the Center position has evolve and their Games haven't, it's disappointing for me to see 3 yrs in the league and Mitch hasn't even develop a post up game, let alone a perimeter one.

You have to get better every yr or some young kid is going to come through and replace you, I said that about frank and sure enough IQ came in a snatch is PT easy

In a contract yr I expected a little more from MItch, and it seem the only thing he's develop is a knack for not fouling a lot

Using frank or any one player in contrast as your example is comical. Your logic is not unsound but your obviously in envy to have a 7ft euro shooting from the outside. Maybe Bropez or the like.
what you’ll find if you think about it is how hard they are to find and even when you do stay healthy. Some like the Orlando kid is ok but not a franchise carrier. The Nurkic for JOkic trade was amazing in retrospect.
I know its only been like 5 games but you already have Obi career laid out or can’t see past Randle?
We get your impressionable so try to think outside the box as to what’s possible.
For the most part lets assume Norlens is just a back up on a one year deal.
Let’s assume MR who will be happy he was only a second round pick as he gets freedom at 4th year is Clint Capella. Still gets a 90mil deal.
Take off the tin foil hat and look at MR this season and think not what he isn’t, but how good is it he is not fouling out and doing stupid shyt. 2 games under .500 after 16 games is not bad for where we were or projected.
How many points does Robinson get on offensive boards? HIs man cannot leave him to help on defense because he gets so many of them. This opens the lane up for Quick when they play together.
Do I want them to expand his repertoire? Of course I do.
Its been discussed trading mitch because of his contract and a contender whose cap is spent could find great value in trading for him. Good idea? Would you trade your top scorer if you the top offensive team in the league? If you the top defensive team, do you trade your best defensive player?
Ask yourself that.
Make Leon an offer he can’t refuse and perhaps we go from their. Seems like Knicks are in a position to do good things either way.

I like 1248. Logic doesn’t exist in his posts BUT they are comical in a good way with everything going on the past year 😂

coming from a guy who thought Frank was the knicks Future PG...

We are DEAD LAST in scoring, and your trying to make it look as if Trading mitch or Noel would be a bad thing. 2 slow ass players

Dude Luka is avg more rebounds than both of our Centers..

For you to even be opposed to trading one of them is just stupid and narrow minded.

When did I ever say that? For once show some evidence. Dude you talk about Frank more than anyone on this board and it’s not even close 😂. I barely mention him. Over the past 2 years your posts have mainly consisted of “Perry sucks and you can’t rebuild through the draft” or “”Mitch and Frank need to be traded”. Nobody has ever said either is a franchise player or an all star but that doesn’t mean they can’t be useful. Anyway thank you for another illogical post because they are funny 😂

Just so you know my feeling on certain players

I have no love for one dimensional players that don't work hard on their games and improve in areas that are needed on the team.

We have a few guys on this roster that don't fit the system we are trying to play, if you don't recognize that your blind.

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Neither one of these guys are franchise players, neither one of them are all stars, neither one is dominate force .

The fact is the Center position has evolve and their Games haven't, it's disappointing for me to see 3 yrs in the league and Mitch hasn't even develop a post up game, let alone a perimeter one.

You have to get better every yr or some young kid is going to come through and replace you, I said that about frank and sure enough IQ came in a snatch is PT easy

In a contract yr I expected a little more from MItch, and it seem the only thing he's develop is a knack for not fouling a lot

Using frank or any one player in contrast as your example is comical. Your logic is not unsound but your obviously in envy to have a 7ft euro shooting from the outside. Maybe Bropez or the like.
what you’ll find if you think about it is how hard they are to find and even when you do stay healthy. Some like the Orlando kid is ok but not a franchise carrier. The Nurkic for JOkic trade was amazing in retrospect.
I know its only been like 5 games but you already have Obi career laid out or can’t see past Randle?
We get your impressionable so try to think outside the box as to what’s possible.
For the most part lets assume Norlens is just a back up on a one year deal.
Let’s assume MR who will be happy he was only a second round pick as he gets freedom at 4th year is Clint Capella. Still gets a 90mil deal.
Take off the tin foil hat and look at MR this season and think not what he isn’t, but how good is it he is not fouling out and doing stupid shyt. 2 games under .500 after 16 games is not bad for where we were or projected.
How many points does Robinson get on offensive boards? HIs man cannot leave him to help on defense because he gets so many of them. This opens the lane up for Quick when they play together.
Do I want them to expand his repertoire? Of course I do.
Its been discussed trading mitch because of his contract and a contender whose cap is spent could find great value in trading for him. Good idea? Would you trade your top scorer if you the top offensive team in the league? If you the top defensive team, do you trade your best defensive player?
Ask yourself that.
Make Leon an offer he can’t refuse and perhaps we go from their. Seems like Knicks are in a position to do good things either way.

I like 1248. Logic doesn’t exist in his posts BUT they are comical in a good way with everything going on the past year 😂

coming from a guy who thought Frank was the knicks Future PG...

We are DEAD LAST in scoring, and your trying to make it look as if Trading mitch or Noel would be a bad thing. 2 slow ass players

Dude Luka is avg more rebounds than both of our Centers..

For you to even be opposed to trading one of them is just stupid and narrow minded.

When did I ever say that? For once show some evidence. Dude you talk about Frank more than anyone on this board and it’s not even close 😂. I barely mention him. Over the past 2 years your posts have mainly consisted of “Perry sucks and you can’t rebuild through the draft” or “”Mitch and Frank need to be traded”. Nobody has ever said either is a franchise player or an all star but that doesn’t mean they can’t be useful. Anyway thank you for another illogical post because they are funny 😂

Just so you know my feeling on certain players

I have no love for one dimensional players that don't work hard on their games and improve in areas that are needed on the team.

We have a few guys on this roster that don't fit the system we are trying to play, if you don't recognize that your blind.

NYKBocker wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

martin wrote:Knicks are one of the better defensive teams out there so let's trade one of the anchors of said defense?

Is this the premise?

Knicks have a ****ty offense cause they have a ****ty starting PG and no consistent distance shooting, so let's focus in on the 2 C's?

. Yeah it makes zero sense 😂

Yup. Our Center position is settled and fortified. Why destroy that?