Jmpasq wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Panos wrote:

Welpee wrote:Remember when fans slammed the knicks for selecting a guy projected for the 2nd round with the 25th pick? Now he's the steal of the draft. lol!

Remember when the knicks picked the formerly consensus #1 pick with the #3 pick and he didn't even make the All Rookie Second Team?

So who is the guy that was available at #3 who you would've drafted instead of RJ who is tearing up the league right now?

I wanted Hunter but If I was a GM I probably would of picked Barrett too.

blkexec wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Panos wrote:

Welpee wrote:Remember when fans slammed the knicks for selecting a guy projected for the 2nd round with the 25th pick? Now he's the steal of the draft. lol!

Remember when the knicks picked the formerly consensus #1 pick with the #3 pick and he didn't even make the All Rookie Second Team?

I swear some Knick fans have a pathological need to be miserable about everything Knicks related, all the time

Thats what happens when you've been in an abusive relationship for so long. When a good thing comes around, we don't know how to act. It's hard to erase 20 yrs of abuse.

I don’t even agree to the often used comparison to an abusive relationship. They’ve just been a badly run team that we chose to still follow and support- that’s it!

Welpee wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Panos wrote:

Welpee wrote:Remember when fans slammed the knicks for selecting a guy projected for the 2nd round with the 25th pick? Now he's the steal of the draft. lol!

Remember when the knicks picked the formerly consensus #1 pick with the #3 pick and he didn't even make the All Rookie Second Team?

So who is the guy that was available at #3 who you would've drafted instead of RJ who is tearing up the league right now?

I wanted Hunter but If I was a GM I probably would of picked Barrett too.

That's fair, but I don't see Hunter as a huge upgrade over Barrett. I see them both pretty much being on the same level at this point of their careers. I just get tired of people criticizing the Barrett pick without acknowledging there was no Giannis or Devin Booker sitting there for us to pick instead.

Hunter has become a solid player. Herro was the breakout guy from the draft but looks very mediocre this year. Barrett is still the 3rd best prospect from that draft.

Jmpasq wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Panos wrote:

Welpee wrote:Remember when fans slammed the knicks for selecting a guy projected for the 2nd round with the 25th pick? Now he's the steal of the draft. lol!

Remember when the knicks picked the formerly consensus #1 pick with the #3 pick and he didn't even make the All Rookie Second Team?

So who is the guy that was available at #3 who you would've drafted instead of RJ who is tearing up the league right now?

I wanted Hunter but If I was a GM I probably would of picked Barrett too.

That's fair, but I don't see Hunter as a huge upgrade over Barrett. I see them both pretty much being on the same level at this point of their careers. I just get tired of people criticizing the Barrett pick without acknowledging there was no Giannis or Devin Booker sitting there for us to pick instead.

Hunter has become a solid player. Herro was the breakout guy from the draft but looks very mediocre this year. Barrett is still the 3rd best prospect from that draft.

Hunter is better than Barrett right now. Not by a lot but he is a better shooter and has better size. He is also 2-1/2 years older.

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SelbyCobra wrote:After looking a little deeper into his numbers last night, I thought it would be helpful to have a place where we could see how our boy is trending throughout his rookie season. This kid has really been something so far to the eye test, but the thing that has me unbelievably hyped is how much advanced metrics absolutely love what he's doing. The deeper-dive stats historically destroy rookies, and especially rookie guards, but Immanuel's advanced metrics are even better than his impressive traditional numbers at this point.

Obviously things can change, but we're now 30 games into the season and there are a bunch of statistical lights flashing above IQ right now - lights that normally aren't associated with anything but the best combo guard rookies. And certainly not 25th overall picks in the draft.

Post any Quickley statistical observations in here as the season progresses, and to get it started here's some of what he's done through last night's (2/15) games:

• 3rd in raw PPG (12.5) for rookies, behind LaMelo (14.6) and Edwards (14.3), despite those two logging 50% more minutes. If we adjust for playing time, we find Quick is...
• 1st in scoring per36 (23.3). In fact, that puts IQ at 25th overall amongst all qualified players in the entire NBA, and ahead of guys like Sexton, Harden, Middleton, Hayward, and Randle.
• 1st amongst all rookies in NBA.com's all-encompassing PIE (Player Impact Estimate), at 12.7. Lamelo (12.4) and Haliburton (11.4) are 2nd and 3rd. When removing the rookie filter, Quickley's 12.7 PIE puts him 66th in the NBA, and higher than Brogdon, Ayton, Hayward, Jrue, D. Mitchell, Fox, VanVleet, and Booker.
• 2nd amongst all rookies in Win Shares with 1.7, fractionally ahead Haliburton's own 1.7. He trails only LaMelo (1.8) despite WS being a counting stat and Ball (as well as Haliburton) playing 50% more minutes than him. In fact, if we convert WS to a rate stat to adjust for playing time, IQ is...
• 1st amongst all rookies who have played at least 100 minutes in WS/48, at .164. This takes raw Win Shares and adjusts for playing time. Xavier TIllman (.142) and Isaiah Stewart (.122) are 2nd and 3rd. Haliburton (.114) and Ball (.113) drop to 4th and 5th. Amongst all NBA players IQ's .164 ties him with Julius, and places him above Ben Simmons, Trae, Jaylen Brown, SGA, LaVine, Beal, and Mitchell.
• 2nd amongst all rookies in Offensive Rating (111.4) behind only Desmond Bane's 112.3. In contrast to Bane, though, he is...
• 2nd amongst all rookies in Unassisted FG% (67.0% of his FGM were unassisted), which is a strong indication that he can create his own shot. He trails only Cole Anthony's 70.3%. LaMelo is at 52.6%, and Haliburton is 37.8%. Bane ranks dead last at 12.0% - a pure catch and shoot guy.
• 2nd amongst all rookies in Net Rating (5.5) which is the difference between a player's offensive rating and his defensive rating. Quickley trails only Jaden McDaniels' 5.9. To put this in perspective, LaMelo is currently posting a -0.8, and Haliburton is at a -5.5. Removing the rookie filter, IQ's 5.5 puts him ahead of Tatum, Draymond, Butler, CP3, Booker, Lillard, and Trae.
• 1st in FTA (73) amongst all rookies, despite play hundreds of minutes less than others at the top of the list.
• 3rd in FTr (.299, which is the ratio of FTA to FGA) amongst all rookies, behind only two bigs, Precious and Wiseman. He's lightyears ahead of the other rookie guards. League-wide, his .299 FTr places him just ahead of Booker, Lou, Westbrook, Hayward, Lavine, and Steph.
• 2nd in Turnover Ratio (6.7%) amongst rookies, behind only Tyrese Maxey (5.8%).
• 3rd in Assist Rate (23.9%) amongst rookies, behind LaMelo (32.4%) and Haliburton (25.2%).
• 2nd in Asst/TO ratio (2.83) amongst rookies, behind only Haliburton (3.20)

martin wrote:Grabbed this from RealGM post cause it was so good:

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=88874160#p88874160

SelbyCobra wrote:After looking a little deeper into his numbers last night, I thought it would be helpful to have a place where we could see how our boy is trending throughout his rookie season. This kid has really been something so far to the eye test, but the thing that has me unbelievably hyped is how much advanced metrics absolutely love what he's doing. The deeper-dive stats historically destroy rookies, and especially rookie guards, but Immanuel's advanced metrics are even better than his impressive traditional numbers at this point.

Obviously things can change, but we're now 30 games into the season and there are a bunch of statistical lights flashing above IQ right now - lights that normally aren't associated with anything but the best combo guard rookies. And certainly not 25th overall picks in the draft.

Post any Quickley statistical observations in here as the season progresses, and to get it started here's some of what he's done through last night's (2/15) games:

• 3rd in raw PPG (12.5) for rookies, behind LaMelo (14.6) and Edwards (14.3), despite those two logging 50% more minutes. If we adjust for playing time, we find Quick is...
• 1st in scoring per36 (23.3). In fact, that puts IQ at 25th overall amongst all qualified players in the entire NBA, and ahead of guys like Sexton, Harden, Middleton, Hayward, and Randle.
• 1st amongst all rookies in NBA.com's all-encompassing PIE (Player Impact Estimate), at 12.7. Lamelo (12.4) and Haliburton (11.4) are 2nd and 3rd. When removing the rookie filter, Quickley's 12.7 PIE puts him 66th in the NBA, and higher than Brogdon, Ayton, Hayward, Jrue, D. Mitchell, Fox, VanVleet, and Booker.
• 2nd amongst all rookies in Win Shares with 1.7, fractionally ahead Haliburton's own 1.7. He trails only LaMelo (1.8) despite WS being a counting stat and Ball (as well as Haliburton) playing 50% more minutes than him. In fact, if we convert WS to a rate stat to adjust for playing time, IQ is...
• 1st amongst all rookies who have played at least 100 minutes in WS/48, at .164. This takes raw Win Shares and adjusts for playing time. Xavier TIllman (.142) and Isaiah Stewart (.122) are 2nd and 3rd. Haliburton (.114) and Ball (.113) drop to 4th and 5th. Amongst all NBA players IQ's .164 ties him with Julius, and places him above Ben Simmons, Trae, Jaylen Brown, SGA, LaVine, Beal, and Mitchell.
• 2nd amongst all rookies in Offensive Rating (111.4) behind only Desmond Bane's 112.3. In contrast to Bane, though, he is...
• 2nd amongst all rookies in Unassisted FG% (67.0% of his FGM were unassisted), which is a strong indication that he can create his own shot. He trails only Cole Anthony's 70.3%. LaMelo is at 52.6%, and Haliburton is 37.8%. Bane ranks dead last at 12.0% - a pure catch and shoot guy.
• 2nd amongst all rookies in Net Rating (5.5) which is the difference between a player's offensive rating and his defensive rating. Quickley trails only Jaden McDaniels' 5.9. To put this in perspective, LaMelo is currently posting a -0.8, and Haliburton is at a -5.5. Removing the rookie filter, IQ's 5.5 puts him ahead of Tatum, Draymond, Butler, CP3, Booker, Lillard, and Trae.
• 1st in FTA (73) amongst all rookies, despite play hundreds of minutes less than others at the top of the list.
• 3rd in FTr (.299, which is the ratio of FTA to FGA) amongst all rookies, behind only two bigs, Precious and Wiseman. He's lightyears ahead of the other rookie guards. League-wide, his .299 FTr places him just ahead of Booker, Lou, Westbrook, Hayward, Lavine, and Steph.
• 2nd in Turnover Ratio (6.7%) amongst rookies, behind only Tyrese Maxey (5.8%).
• 3rd in Assist Rate (23.9%) amongst rookies, behind LaMelo (32.4%) and Haliburton (25.2%).
• 2nd in Asst/TO ratio (2.83) amongst rookies, behind only Haliburton (3.20)

This is awesome....Thanks for posting!!! You can see a lot of these attributes with the eye test in terms of his impact on winning, etc. This is why I've been a proponent of him starting or at the very least getting no-less than 25 mins per night. His presence can make players like RJ even better....

martin wrote:One man's opinion:

I had IQ pegged as a really good Jamal Crawford caliber player guy, but seeing it broken down this way you can really see the potential is pretty amazing.

Uptown wrote:

martin wrote:Grabbed this from RealGM post cause it was so good:

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=88874160#p88874160

SelbyCobra wrote:After looking a little deeper into his numbers last night, I thought it would be helpful to have a place where we could see how our boy is trending throughout his rookie season. This kid has really been something so far to the eye test, but the thing that has me unbelievably hyped is how much advanced metrics absolutely love what he's doing. The deeper-dive stats historically destroy rookies, and especially rookie guards, but Immanuel's advanced metrics are even better than his impressive traditional numbers at this point.

Obviously things can change, but we're now 30 games into the season and there are a bunch of statistical lights flashing above IQ right now - lights that normally aren't associated with anything but the best combo guard rookies. And certainly not 25th overall picks in the draft.

Post any Quickley statistical observations in here as the season progresses, and to get it started here's some of what he's done through last night's (2/15) games:

• 3rd in raw PPG (12.5) for rookies, behind LaMelo (14.6) and Edwards (14.3), despite those two logging 50% more minutes. If we adjust for playing time, we find Quick is...
• 1st in scoring per36 (23.3). In fact, that puts IQ at 25th overall amongst all qualified players in the entire NBA, and ahead of guys like Sexton, Harden, Middleton, Hayward, and Randle.
• 1st amongst all rookies in NBA.com's all-encompassing PIE (Player Impact Estimate), at 12.7. Lamelo (12.4) and Haliburton (11.4) are 2nd and 3rd. When removing the rookie filter, Quickley's 12.7 PIE puts him 66th in the NBA, and higher than Brogdon, Ayton, Hayward, Jrue, D. Mitchell, Fox, VanVleet, and Booker.
• 2nd amongst all rookies in Win Shares with 1.7, fractionally ahead Haliburton's own 1.7. He trails only LaMelo (1.8) despite WS being a counting stat and Ball (as well as Haliburton) playing 50% more minutes than him. In fact, if we convert WS to a rate stat to adjust for playing time, IQ is...
• 1st amongst all rookies who have played at least 100 minutes in WS/48, at .164. This takes raw Win Shares and adjusts for playing time. Xavier TIllman (.142) and Isaiah Stewart (.122) are 2nd and 3rd. Haliburton (.114) and Ball (.113) drop to 4th and 5th. Amongst all NBA players IQ's .164 ties him with Julius, and places him above Ben Simmons, Trae, Jaylen Brown, SGA, LaVine, Beal, and Mitchell.
• 2nd amongst all rookies in Offensive Rating (111.4) behind only Desmond Bane's 112.3. In contrast to Bane, though, he is...
• 2nd amongst all rookies in Unassisted FG% (67.0% of his FGM were unassisted), which is a strong indication that he can create his own shot. He trails only Cole Anthony's 70.3%. LaMelo is at 52.6%, and Haliburton is 37.8%. Bane ranks dead last at 12.0% - a pure catch and shoot guy.
• 2nd amongst all rookies in Net Rating (5.5) which is the difference between a player's offensive rating and his defensive rating. Quickley trails only Jaden McDaniels' 5.9. To put this in perspective, LaMelo is currently posting a -0.8, and Haliburton is at a -5.5. Removing the rookie filter, IQ's 5.5 puts him ahead of Tatum, Draymond, Butler, CP3, Booker, Lillard, and Trae.
• 1st in FTA (73) amongst all rookies, despite play hundreds of minutes less than others at the top of the list.
• 3rd in FTr (.299, which is the ratio of FTA to FGA) amongst all rookies, behind only two bigs, Precious and Wiseman. He's lightyears ahead of the other rookie guards. League-wide, his .299 FTr places him just ahead of Booker, Lou, Westbrook, Hayward, Lavine, and Steph.
• 2nd in Turnover Ratio (6.7%) amongst rookies, behind only Tyrese Maxey (5.8%).
• 3rd in Assist Rate (23.9%) amongst rookies, behind LaMelo (32.4%) and Haliburton (25.2%).
• 2nd in Asst/TO ratio (2.83) amongst rookies, behind only Haliburton (3.20)

This is awesome....Thanks for posting!!! You can see a lot of these attributes with the eye test in terms of his impact on winning, etc. This is why I've been a proponent of him starting or at the very least getting no-less than 25 mins per night. His presence can make players like RJ even better....

Lots of good stats in there. Disagree with the OP about Quickley not being physically ready for the NBA, believe thats been settled, lol.

Believe Quickley is going to take more punishment if he does starts. Will have more of an X on his back. We stand a good chance of making the playoffs. Would rather keep Quickley on the bench. Not too many minutes. Id rather see Thibs keep Quickley ready to shine in the playoffs. Thats where IQ can really make hia best case to start. Payton isnt playing so bad that its needed.

martin wrote:

fishmike wrote:

martin wrote:One man's opinion:

wish I watched this BEFORE pornhub this morning

I had IQ pegged as a really good Jamal Crawford caliber player guy, but seeing it broken down this way you can really see the potential is pretty amazing.

Yeah after seeing the above stats from RealGM posted and then the video, it was eye opening. IQ is a learner and being surrounded by the likes of Rose and Bryant for sure will push him.

After this summer will be telling, can't wait to see the growth.

Now if we could only get Mitch to spend the summer at Camp Julius doing the House of Payne workouts....

Mitch came back stronger, and a smarter player. Not a threat to foul out this season. If there was anything Id want Mitch to learn, it would be to box out. Gets stuck too far under the backboard. Cant rebound from there.