fishmike wrote:No. RJ's best ceiling is a bully 2 guard who can slash and dish. I see a lot of Jimmy Butler in him and thats a good thing. Knox is a 3 and can overwhelm 3's with his size and athleticism... that is his value. A SG in a PF's body.

These guys just need to get better, not find new positions. Same with Frank... just get better.

A SG needs to be able to shoot from the outside with consistency. RJ would be better in a point forward role a la Scottie Pippen. A SF needs quick feet to defend which Knox does not possess.
Bully ball worked in the 90s not now.

TLover wrote:

fishmike wrote:No. RJ's best ceiling is a bully 2 guard who can slash and dish. I see a lot of Jimmy Butler in him and thats a good thing. Knox is a 3 and can overwhelm 3's with his size and athleticism... that is his value. A SG in a PF's body.

These guys just need to get better, not find new positions. Same with Frank... just get better.

A SG needs to be able to shoot from the outside with consistency. RJ would be better in a point forward role a la Scottie Pippen. A SF needs quick feet to defend which Knox does not possess.
Bully ball worked in the 90s not now.

I think the solution is that RJ needs to become a better shooter, moving him to a new position with a different role doesn’t make sense to me.

Allanfan20 wrote:

martin wrote:

TLover wrote:

fishmike wrote:No. RJ's best ceiling is a bully 2 guard who can slash and dish. I see a lot of Jimmy Butler in him and thats a good thing. Knox is a 3 and can overwhelm 3's with his size and athleticism... that is his value. A SG in a PF's body.

These guys just need to get better, not find new positions. Same with Frank... just get better.

A SG needs to be able to shoot from the outside with consistency. RJ would be better in a point forward role a la Scottie Pippen. A SF needs quick feet to defend which Knox does not possess.
Bully ball worked in the 90s not now.

I think the solution is that RJ needs to become a better shooter, moving him to a new position with a different role doesn’t make sense to me.

If RJ becomes a better shooter then having him switch between the 2 and 3 shouldn’t be a big deal. Every one plays different positions at some point in the game. The important part is the role you play. Who can RJ guard and what can he do on offense?

Allanfan I agree with you.. but if best player available in draft is a 2 guard then we should not hesitate to draft him bc of RJ.

Also if we are going to salvage Knox instead of getting pennies on the dollar in a trade then he needs to be a 4.. ideally the stretch 4 we stupidly traded in KP. Additionally think Iggy is ready to contribute more so next season.

TLover wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

martin wrote:

TLover wrote:

fishmike wrote:No. RJ's best ceiling is a bully 2 guard who can slash and dish. I see a lot of Jimmy Butler in him and thats a good thing. Knox is a 3 and can overwhelm 3's with his size and athleticism... that is his value. A SG in a PF's body.

These guys just need to get better, not find new positions. Same with Frank... just get better.

A SG needs to be able to shoot from the outside with consistency. RJ would be better in a point forward role a la Scottie Pippen. A SF needs quick feet to defend which Knox does not possess.
Bully ball worked in the 90s not now.

I think the solution is that RJ needs to become a better shooter, moving him to a new position with a different role doesn’t make sense to me.

If RJ becomes a better shooter then having him switch between the 2 and 3 shouldn’t be a big deal. Every one plays different positions at some point in the game. The important part is the role you play. Who can RJ guard and what can he do on offense?

Allanfan I agree with you.. but if best player available in draft is a 2 guard then we should not hesitate to draft him bc of RJ.

Also if we are going to salvage Knox instead of getting pennies on the dollar in a trade then he needs to be a 4.. ideally the stretch 4 we stupidly traded in KP. Additionally think Iggy is ready to contribute more so next season.

Ohh I agree about your first point fully. For example, if the front office truly thinks going after Nesmith is the best option, then they should just draft him. Nobody on the Knicks is currently worth building around yet. Maybe that changes in 2 or so years but not yet.

I’m just saying that RJ needs to improve his shot and if he does, he’ll have no problem playing the 2 or 3, pending on who he has to guard of course.

TLover wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

TLover wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

martin wrote:

TLover wrote:

fishmike wrote:No. RJ's best ceiling is a bully 2 guard who can slash and dish. I see a lot of Jimmy Butler in him and thats a good thing. Knox is a 3 and can overwhelm 3's with his size and athleticism... that is his value. A SG in a PF's body.

These guys just need to get better, not find new positions. Same with Frank... just get better.

A SG needs to be able to shoot from the outside with consistency. RJ would be better in a point forward role a la Scottie Pippen. A SF needs quick feet to defend which Knox does not possess.
Bully ball worked in the 90s not now.

I think the solution is that RJ needs to become a better shooter, moving him to a new position with a different role doesn’t make sense to me.

If RJ becomes a better shooter then having him switch between the 2 and 3 shouldn’t be a big deal. Every one plays different positions at some point in the game. The important part is the role you play. Who can RJ guard and what can he do on offense?

Allanfan I agree with you.. but if best player available in draft is a 2 guard then we should not hesitate to draft him bc of RJ.

Also if we are going to salvage Knox instead of getting pennies on the dollar in a trade then he needs to be a 4.. ideally the stretch 4 we stupidly traded in KP. Additionally think Iggy is ready to contribute more so next season.

Ohh I agree about your first point fully. For example, if the front office truly thinks going after Nesmith is the best option, then they should just draft him. Nobody on the Knicks is currently worth building around yet. Maybe that changes in 2 or so years but not yet.

I’m just saying that RJ needs to improve his shot and if he does, he’ll have no problem playing the 2 or 3, pending on who he has to guard of course.

Newsmith would be the perfect compliment to RJ.. probably best shooter in the draft and is a young sophomore who will only get better.

Another #24, Devin Vassel looks like he can work too!

TLover wrote: Knox can be that stretch 4 we need.

Knox makes poor decisions on the court. It bleeds into everything else. ( Shot selection, inability to maintain offensive flow with passing, etc)

At this level, you need to be in the right place at the right time when your team needs you the most. That he doesn't know where to be on the floor sometimes is natural ( He's a young player) That he doesn't know why he needs to be there in first place is the troubling issue.

One step at a time. He's gotta be relentless on defense. That's something he can control right now that will help him and the team.

If there was ever a reason to pick Atkinson as the new head coach, Knox would be one of the reasons why that move would make some sense.