martin wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:I don't consider this a political issue. This is a human rights issue. I don't expect Dolan to waddle around with protestors. He doesn't have to mention Trump or Biden. This a very tumultuous period. It would have been nice for him to show a little solidarity with his players. Perhaps if Dolan had remained consistent in his policy to not comment on social issues, it wouldn't be an issue. But we've already seen this guy make retarded, after the fact, songs about Harvey Weinstein. We've already seen him write letters to fans accusing them of being alcoholics. Is this a big deal by itself? No....but it is when pieced together into the bigger picture. This guy's reputation is trash. This organization can't afford to take any more PR hits, minor or major.

Press releases that someone else writes is the line drawn to show solidarity with players?

You guys are getting me wrong. If you want to show solidarity DO SOMETHING. Having an intern put out a few sentences or paragraphs ain't it. It shows me nothing, it's lip service, and lip service aint solidarity

I pretty much agree.

Besides MSG is the KING of MEMO's, that's all they do now. He's silent when he hire's and fires his own staff, so i really didn't expect to hear nothing from him.

Dolan maybe a lot of different kinds of idiots, but I don't see him being a racist on no level. I thought the oak incident was more personally than anything

As long as teams put out nicely worded press releases everything AOK and we should just hold status quo? Cause that's what it amounted to for years right? Status Quo

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:It doesn't bother me that a corporation doesn't put out a political statement or a statement in support of something, however correct it may be. I'd rather have "free speech", especially in terms of political $$, taken away from corporations and the like. Would it be a bad thing? Not at all. Are they expected to put out a statement for every type of political'ish event? Been a number of deaths in this same situation, can't recall there being a rollcall of which teams put out tweets and statements and the like.

As an exercise, are you also AOK with MSG and/or Dolan putting out [political] statements that you may not agree with? Are you OK with Dolan splashing his personal views and affiliation with say Trump during games and whatnot?

What the Celtics and no doubt other organizations put out was thoughtful. Some marketing person came up with it in 15 minutes and the organization rubber stamped it. I don't personally need that type of assurance from any company I buy from.

Being supportive of players and MSG employees? Sure. And hasn't MSG shown that they will put actual $$ towards keeping as many employees employed during these times? MSG could have flat cut Bullock and probably should have? Gave him an opportunity. Have they supported the players in this particular instance? Do they automatically need to tell the world about it every time it happens?

Actions for me. Rubber stamping a few sentences doesn't show me much at all outside of marking a checkbox of sorts.

BigDaddyG wrote:This should've been simple a statement supporting civil rights and the right of all Americans to live free and peacefully... Instead, we get this. This is New York. It's laughable that this team can't hire competent PR people. Kelly Ann Conway could do a better job than this. Heck, what is Sean Spicer up to? I don't think Dolan is racist, but I'm pretty sure he's clueless.

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BigDaddyG wrote:Part of the Celtics statement. Quick and easy while remaining thoughtful. Why can't we do this.

"Like many others across the country, the heartbreaking and senseless deaths of George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, and Ahmaud Arbery, along with other recent events, have left the entire Celtics organization struggling with grief and anger. During a time in which the phrase 'new normal' has often been used as our nation has struggled with the devastation of a pandemic, we imagine and hope for a 'new normal' where every citizen is afforded the same rights, has the same opportunities, receives the same treatment, and can peacefully enjoy every freedom promised to all of us."

Im sure most players in the league, who are Black. Some who have been victims of police brutality themselves. Will find your words comforting. We are in the middle of a national emergency, this is about more than a freaking PSA. Its about telling your players, your community you stand on the side of justice.

If we're going to be cynical, from a business perspective, its a horrible decision. It will alienate stars, fans (who are already wary about crowds) and maybe some advertisers. If Dolan's only real reponsibility is making money (shareholder capitalism right there) then he failed, because he put his own personal politics before the bottom line. Any way its a major fail.

Well said...

martin wrote:Hypothetical: Anyone OK with NFL teams putting out press releases about supporting Colin Kaepernick or think those exact press releases were **** because no one did anything?

As long as teams put out nicely worded press releases everything AOK and we should just hold status quo? Cause that's what it amounted to for years right? Status Quo

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

What Dolan said makes it easier for me to go root for another team.I will always be a knicks fan of the past but
not for the future if Dolan do not support the cause. I will not feel the same way.

Has Pablo checked to see if all players have put out statements of support? Should they? What about GM? Coach? If not, should we as fans have a fan-only meeting to discuss?

Where do we draw the line?

Should we all be held to the same standard? Do we all need to put out public statements or just companies? If not all companies, which ones?

martin wrote:Should we all be checking to see if our respective employers put out statements of support?

Has Pablo checked to see if all players have put out statements of support? Should they? What about GM? Coach? If not, should we as fans have a fan-only meeting to discuss?

Where do we draw the line?

Should we all be held to the same standard? Do we all need to put out public statements or just companies? If not all companies, which ones?

I agree with you. Dolan is stubborn and because of that feels Msg record speaks for itself. Would we even notice if an article did not make mention of it?
I read MSG's statement which I believe anyone that wants to blast them should read and think "Has MSG, Knicks, or Dolan need to make a statement or should I look at their hiring practices top to bottom and community outreach to minorities?"

That said, why can't MSG just issue some bland statement to appease the "gotcha's" of the world? Is it so hard? He is stubborn and perhaps silly.

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:Should we all be checking to see if our respective employers put out statements of support?

Has Pablo checked to see if all players have put out statements of support? Should they? What about GM? Coach? If not, should we as fans have a fan-only meeting to discuss?

Where do we draw the line?

Should we all be held to the same standard? Do we all need to put out public statements or just companies? If not all companies, which ones?

I agree with you. Dolan is stubborn and because of that feels Msg record speaks for itself. Would we even notice if an article did not make mention of it?
I read MSG's statement which I believe anyone that wants to blast them should read and think "Has MSG, Knicks, or Dolan need to make a statement or should I look at their hiring practices top to bottom and community outreach to minorities?"

That said, why can't MSG just issue some bland statement to appease the "gotcha's" of the world? Is it so hard? He is stubborn and perhaps silly.

Stubborn...Tone deaf...the optics look so bad. Off and on the court, Dolan gets it wrong everytime. As much as I love the orange and blue, this guy makes it so difficult to support anything he is associated with...

Nalod wrote:His comments yesterday were OK in my book. I think we look at him like we do Trump. We sort of think they it all wrong all the time. Im not Dolan Fanboy but this is not as bad as media painted it.
Like I said, he is stubborn and impatient. Trump is ignorant and a sociopath.

martin wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:I don't consider this a political issue. This is a human rights issue. I don't expect Dolan to waddle around with protestors. He doesn't have to mention Trump or Biden. This a very tumultuous period. It would have been nice for him to show a little solidarity with his players. Perhaps if Dolan had remained consistent in his policy to not comment on social issues, it wouldn't be an issue. But we've already seen this guy make retarded, after the fact, songs about Harvey Weinstein. We've already seen him write letters to fans accusing them of being alcoholics. Is this a big deal by itself? No....but it is when pieced together into the bigger picture. This guy's reputation is trash. This organization can't afford to take any more PR hits, minor or major.

Press releases that someone else writes is the line drawn to show solidarity with players?

You guys are getting me wrong. If you want to show solidarity DO SOMETHING. Having an intern put out a few sentences or paragraphs ain't it. It shows me nothing, it's lip service, and lip service aint solidarity

It is the bare minimum. The problem is he didn’t even want to do the bare minimum. That’s why everybody is stunned. It’s like giving condolences to someone you barely know after you hear one of their family members have died...... it doesn’t do anything, costs you nothing, but it shows empathy and the ability to read the room. To go even further imagine everybody else in the room give condolences and you stay silent. Then when someone say’s “wow you didn’t give any condolences” you say “well I barely know that person”.....

Unfortunately both empathy and reading the room are two skills Dolan the deranged idiot has none of. He is like a episode of Curb your enthusiasm in real life. A degenerate man child who got lucky his parents were rich. Basically he’s a scumbag and consistently will do some scumbag act.