martin wrote:American can be a good country

i think it's too late.

the country is on a downward slope that can't be stopped. part of it is capitalism about to collapse onto itself but most of it comes down to one simple thing, whites and non-whites.

that will be a socioeconomic war that will continue to divide the country until the demographics completely change and non-whites are no longer the majority. but that will take generations.

meanwhile, trump emboldening white supremecists have set back racial progress and few decades. he is the worst thing to happen to this country in a long time in terms of human rights and race relations.

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/hmv117/grahamchallenger_harrison_raises_recordshattering/

Democratic Senate candidate Jaime Harrison's campaign to unseat Sen. Lindsey Graham (R) in South Carolina pulled in nearly $14 million in the second quarter of the year, setting a statewide fundraising record in the process.

Harrison’s campaign said on Tuesday that it had raised more than $13.9 million in the period covering April through June, nearly doubling its first-quarter fundraising haul of $7.4 million and marking the second consecutive quarter in which Harrison has set a quarterly record in South Carolina.

This is a big deal considering who is making the call. He's trailing in the polls. We'll see if its the start of something.

GustavBahler wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/17/portland-protests-federal-arrests/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-high_mm-portland-810am-mobile-only%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

WTF

His detention, which was first reported by Oregon Public Broadcasting, and videos of similar actions by federal officials driving around Portland in unmarked cars have raised alarm bells for many. Legal scholars questioned whether the detentions pass constitutional muster.

“Arrests require probable cause that a federal crime had been committed, that is, specific information indicating that the person likely committed a federal offense, or a fair probability that the person committed a federal offense,” Orin Kerr, a professor at University of California at Berkeley Law School, told The Post. “If the agents are grabbing people because they may have been involved in protests, that’s not probable cause.”

Federal officers from the U.S. Marshals Service and Department of Homeland Security have stormed Portland’s streets as part of President Trump’s promised strong response to ongoing protests. Local leaders expressed alarm at news of Pettibone’s detention and echoed calls for the feds to leave that have grown stronger since Marshals Service officers severely wounded a peaceful protester on Saturday.

“A peaceful protester in Portland was shot in the head by one of Donald Trump’s secret police,” Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) wrote in a Thursday tweet that also called out acting DHS secretary Chad Wolf. “Now Trump and Chad Wolf are weaponizing the DHS as their own occupying army to provoke violence on the streets of my hometown because they think it plays well with right-wing media.”

Civil rights advocates suggested the Trump administration is testing the limits of its executive power.

“I think Portland is a test case,” Zakir Khan, a spokesman for the Oregon chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, told The Post. “They want to see what they can get away with before launching into other parts of the country.”

Jann Carson, interim executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Oregon, called the recent arrests “flat-out unconstitutional” in a statement shared with The Post.

“Usually when we see people in unmarked cars forcibly grab someone off the street, we call it kidnapping,” Carson said. “Protesters in Portland have been shot in the head, swept away in unmarked cars, and repeatedly tear-gassed by uninvited and unwelcome federal agents. We won’t rest until they are gone.”

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/17/portland-protests-federal-arrests/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-high_mm-portland-810am-mobile-only%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

WTF

His detention, which was first reported by Oregon Public Broadcasting, and videos of similar actions by federal officials driving around Portland in unmarked cars have raised alarm bells for many. Legal scholars questioned whether the detentions pass constitutional muster.

“Arrests require probable cause that a federal crime had been committed, that is, specific information indicating that the person likely committed a federal offense, or a fair probability that the person committed a federal offense,” Orin Kerr, a professor at University of California at Berkeley Law School, told The Post. “If the agents are grabbing people because they may have been involved in protests, that’s not probable cause.”

Federal officers from the U.S. Marshals Service and Department of Homeland Security have stormed Portland’s streets as part of President Trump’s promised strong response to ongoing protests. Local leaders expressed alarm at news of Pettibone’s detention and echoed calls for the feds to leave that have grown stronger since Marshals Service officers severely wounded a peaceful protester on Saturday.

“A peaceful protester in Portland was shot in the head by one of Donald Trump’s secret police,” Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) wrote in a Thursday tweet that also called out acting DHS secretary Chad Wolf. “Now Trump and Chad Wolf are weaponizing the DHS as their own occupying army to provoke violence on the streets of my hometown because they think it plays well with right-wing media.”

Civil rights advocates suggested the Trump administration is testing the limits of its executive power.

“I think Portland is a test case,” Zakir Khan, a spokesman for the Oregon chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, told The Post. “They want to see what they can get away with before launching into other parts of the country.”

Jann Carson, interim executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Oregon, called the recent arrests “flat-out unconstitutional” in a statement shared with The Post.

“Usually when we see people in unmarked cars forcibly grab someone off the street, we call it kidnapping,” Carson said. “Protesters in Portland have been shot in the head, swept away in unmarked cars, and repeatedly tear-gassed by uninvited and unwelcome federal agents. We won’t rest until they are gone.”

So basically Trump is sending the secret police. Unfortunately, there are bigger issues like these damn stores infringing on my freedom and forcing me to wear these uncomfortable masks.

Get the feeling that these "troops" will be in place in mostly Blue states right up to the election. Lets hope they're gone by then. They could be pre-positioning secret police to help keep Trump in office, no matter who wins. Then call on his supporters to back him.

NotInMyHouse wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/17/portland-protests-federal-arrests/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-high_mm-portland-810am-mobile-only%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

WTF

His detention, which was first reported by Oregon Public Broadcasting, and videos of similar actions by federal officials driving around Portland in unmarked cars have raised alarm bells for many. Legal scholars questioned whether the detentions pass constitutional muster.

“Arrests require probable cause that a federal crime had been committed, that is, specific information indicating that the person likely committed a federal offense, or a fair probability that the person committed a federal offense,” Orin Kerr, a professor at University of California at Berkeley Law School, told The Post. “If the agents are grabbing people because they may have been involved in protests, that’s not probable cause.”

Federal officers from the U.S. Marshals Service and Department of Homeland Security have stormed Portland’s streets as part of President Trump’s promised strong response to ongoing protests. Local leaders expressed alarm at news of Pettibone’s detention and echoed calls for the feds to leave that have grown stronger since Marshals Service officers severely wounded a peaceful protester on Saturday.

“A peaceful protester in Portland was shot in the head by one of Donald Trump’s secret police,” Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) wrote in a Thursday tweet that also called out acting DHS secretary Chad Wolf. “Now Trump and Chad Wolf are weaponizing the DHS as their own occupying army to provoke violence on the streets of my hometown because they think it plays well with right-wing media.”

Civil rights advocates suggested the Trump administration is testing the limits of its executive power.

“I think Portland is a test case,” Zakir Khan, a spokesman for the Oregon chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, told The Post. “They want to see what they can get away with before launching into other parts of the country.”

Jann Carson, interim executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Oregon, called the recent arrests “flat-out unconstitutional” in a statement shared with The Post.

“Usually when we see people in unmarked cars forcibly grab someone off the street, we call it kidnapping,” Carson said. “Protesters in Portland have been shot in the head, swept away in unmarked cars, and repeatedly tear-gassed by uninvited and unwelcome federal agents. We won’t rest until they are gone.”

So basically Trump is sending the secret police. Unfortunately, there are bigger issues like these damn stores infringing on my freedom and forcing me to wear these uncomfortable masks.

Get the feeling that these "troops" will be in place in mostly Blue states right up to the election. Lets hope they're gone by then. They could be pre-positioning secret police to help keep Trump in office, no matter who wins. Then call on his supporters to back him.

The Federal Government should be the last resort and it is. Mayors and Governors need to stop the riots and stop calling them protests.
But the situation below is a Federal building. And the rioters also attacked Mayor Ted Wheeler. But his bodyguards protected him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk5kWyMZbf8
When the defunded police can't protect the citizens and leaders, the Feds will come in.

And through all this Biden is a non factor. (BTW - I doubt he is the candidate as he is not able to keep his thoughts together, forgetting what he is saying, being incoherent, etc. I expect a replacement, probably Hillary.)

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https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1286187623258628097

They were in fact protests, which had been dying down. That is until men dressed in camo, combat gear, and NO ID showed up and drastically escalated the tension with violence. Shooting unarmed protestors in the face. The protests in Portland were confined to one block.

Any excuse you have for Americans being rounded up in unmarked cars with no probable cause. In violation of the 4th amendment. You can kindly stick where the sun dont shine. There is ignorance, and there is willful ignorance.

NotInMyHouse wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/17/portland-protests-federal-arrests/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-high_mm-portland-810am-mobile-only%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

WTF

His detention, which was first reported by Oregon Public Broadcasting, and videos of similar actions by federal officials driving around Portland in unmarked cars have raised alarm bells for many. Legal scholars questioned whether the detentions pass constitutional muster.

“Arrests require probable cause that a federal crime had been committed, that is, specific information indicating that the person likely committed a federal offense, or a fair probability that the person committed a federal offense,” Orin Kerr, a professor at University of California at Berkeley Law School, told The Post. “If the agents are grabbing people because they may have been involved in protests, that’s not probable cause.”

Federal officers from the U.S. Marshals Service and Department of Homeland Security have stormed Portland’s streets as part of President Trump’s promised strong response to ongoing protests. Local leaders expressed alarm at news of Pettibone’s detention and echoed calls for the feds to leave that have grown stronger since Marshals Service officers severely wounded a peaceful protester on Saturday.

“A peaceful protester in Portland was shot in the head by one of Donald Trump’s secret police,” Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) wrote in a Thursday tweet that also called out acting DHS secretary Chad Wolf. “Now Trump and Chad Wolf are weaponizing the DHS as their own occupying army to provoke violence on the streets of my hometown because they think it plays well with right-wing media.”

Civil rights advocates suggested the Trump administration is testing the limits of its executive power.

“I think Portland is a test case,” Zakir Khan, a spokesman for the Oregon chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, told The Post. “They want to see what they can get away with before launching into other parts of the country.”

Jann Carson, interim executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Oregon, called the recent arrests “flat-out unconstitutional” in a statement shared with The Post.

“Usually when we see people in unmarked cars forcibly grab someone off the street, we call it kidnapping,” Carson said. “Protesters in Portland have been shot in the head, swept away in unmarked cars, and repeatedly tear-gassed by uninvited and unwelcome federal agents. We won’t rest until they are gone.”

So basically Trump is sending the secret police. Unfortunately, there are bigger issues like these damn stores infringing on my freedom and forcing me to wear these uncomfortable masks.

Get the feeling that these "troops" will be in place in mostly Blue states right up to the election. Lets hope they're gone by then. They could be pre-positioning secret police to help keep Trump in office, no matter who wins. Then call on his supporters to back him.

The Federal Government should be the last resort and it is. Mayors and Governors need to stop the riots and stop calling them protests.
But the situation below is a Federal building. And the rioters also attacked Mayor Ted Wheeler. But his bodyguards protected him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk5kWyMZbf8
When the defunded police can't protect the citizens and leaders, the Feds will come in.

And through all this Biden is a non factor. (BTW - I doubt he is the candidate as he is not able to keep his thoughts together, forgetting what he is saying, being incoherent, etc. I expect a replacement, probably Hillary.)

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1286187623258628097

No thanks, not having dumb **** like this on here.

NotInMyHouse, feel free to talk Knicks, the rest of the dumb you can keep to your own roundtable.

NotInMyHouse wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/17/portland-protests-federal-arrests/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-high_mm-portland-810am-mobile-only%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

WTF

His detention, which was first reported by Oregon Public Broadcasting, and videos of similar actions by federal officials driving around Portland in unmarked cars have raised alarm bells for many. Legal scholars questioned whether the detentions pass constitutional muster.

“Arrests require probable cause that a federal crime had been committed, that is, specific information indicating that the person likely committed a federal offense, or a fair probability that the person committed a federal offense,” Orin Kerr, a professor at University of California at Berkeley Law School, told The Post. “If the agents are grabbing people because they may have been involved in protests, that’s not probable cause.”

Federal officers from the U.S. Marshals Service and Department of Homeland Security have stormed Portland’s streets as part of President Trump’s promised strong response to ongoing protests. Local leaders expressed alarm at news of Pettibone’s detention and echoed calls for the feds to leave that have grown stronger since Marshals Service officers severely wounded a peaceful protester on Saturday.

“A peaceful protester in Portland was shot in the head by one of Donald Trump’s secret police,” Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) wrote in a Thursday tweet that also called out acting DHS secretary Chad Wolf. “Now Trump and Chad Wolf are weaponizing the DHS as their own occupying army to provoke violence on the streets of my hometown because they think it plays well with right-wing media.”

Civil rights advocates suggested the Trump administration is testing the limits of its executive power.

“I think Portland is a test case,” Zakir Khan, a spokesman for the Oregon chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, told The Post. “They want to see what they can get away with before launching into other parts of the country.”

Jann Carson, interim executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Oregon, called the recent arrests “flat-out unconstitutional” in a statement shared with The Post.

“Usually when we see people in unmarked cars forcibly grab someone off the street, we call it kidnapping,” Carson said. “Protesters in Portland have been shot in the head, swept away in unmarked cars, and repeatedly tear-gassed by uninvited and unwelcome federal agents. We won’t rest until they are gone.”

So basically Trump is sending the secret police. Unfortunately, there are bigger issues like these damn stores infringing on my freedom and forcing me to wear these uncomfortable masks.

Get the feeling that these "troops" will be in place in mostly Blue states right up to the election. Lets hope they're gone by then. They could be pre-positioning secret police to help keep Trump in office, no matter who wins. Then call on his supporters to back him.

The Federal Government should be the last resort and it is. Mayors and Governors need to stop the riots and stop calling them protests.
But the situation below is a Federal building. And the rioters also attacked Mayor Ted Wheeler. But his bodyguards protected him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk5kWyMZbf8
When the defunded police can't protect the citizens and leaders, the Feds will come in.

And through all this Biden is a non factor. (BTW - I doubt he is the candidate as he is not able to keep his thoughts together, forgetting what he is saying, being incoherent, etc. I expect a replacement, probably Hillary.)

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1286187623258628097

Chicago's police budget has grown every yr over the last 8 years. The budget going into 2020 was somewhere around $1.8 billion dollars. Chicago has had the funding over these yrs to produce results. That is If funding police while under-funding social programs and education was the answer. Clearly as the results have shown its not.

The environment we are in hasn't been due to lack of police funding. It has been due to people being tired of racism and the rich screwing over the poor. Sending in the Feds aren't going to fix those problems.

BRIGGS wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

martin wrote:American can be a good country

i think it's too late.

the country is on a downward slope that can't be stopped. part of it is capitalism about to collapse onto itself but most of it comes down to one simple thing, whites and non-whites.

that will be a socioeconomic war that will continue to divide the country until the demographics completely change and non-whites are no longer the majority. but that will take generations.

meanwhile, trump emboldening white supremecists have set back racial progress and few decades. he is the worst thing to happen to this country in a long time in terms of human rights and race relations.

The us will be just fine. Life will go on

maybe, but definitely not for the tens of thousands that have died this year b/c of trump's handling of covid.