knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I don't think a good PG fixes everything... I think this team needs high end talent the most. Hopefully some of the yoots develop into that but hat's what needs to be aggressively pursued

They badly need high end guards. In a league that demands good guard play, we are built thru the front court with no shooters or dribble penetration.

We have never had a real All star PG(at least since strickland and mark), and it's a damn shame. We have had all stars at every position (C, PF, SF, SG) and I felt like we had enough assets to land one in the last 2 drafts, and i would have over paid to do it.

I can't recall the last time any PG drafted in the top 7 turned out to be a bust other than Mudiay

2009--harden, curry, Rubio
2010- Wall
2011- Kyrie
2012- Lillard
2013- olapido-combo guard
2014- role player draft
2015- D russell..mudiay
2016- K Dunn, jamal murry
2017- Fultz, Fox, Ball.......same yr as frank and dsj
2018- trey
2019- Ja

So just in the last 10 yrs we have missed out on a lot of really good pg's, a position that rarely ever produces a draft bust in the top 7

We should have just drafted Lebron. Dumb Knicks!

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I don't think a good PG fixes everything... I think this team needs high end talent the most. Hopefully some of the yoots develop into that but hat's what needs to be aggressively pursued

They badly need high end guards. In a league that demands good guard play, we are built thru the front court with no shooters or dribble penetration.

We have never had a real All star PG(at least since strickland and mark), and it's a damn shame. We have had all stars at every position (C, PF, SF, SG) and I felt like we had enough assets to land one in the last 2 drafts, and i would have over paid to do it.

I can't recall the last time any PG drafted in the top 7 turned out to be a bust other than Mudiay

2009--harden, curry, Rubio
2010- Wall
2011- Kyrie
2012- Lillard
2013- olapido-combo guard
2014- role player draft
2015- D russell..mudiay
2016- K Dunn, jamal murry
2017- Fultz, Fox, Ball.......same yr as frank and dsj
2018- trey
2019- Ja

So just in the last 10 yrs we have missed out on a lot of really good pg's, a position that rarely ever produces a draft bust in the top 7

we missed out? We were not able to draft that high remember? This is the part of your "build a winning culture" mantra and riding guys like Morris to 30ish win season desperate to get better. You miss the player you have listed above because they all go early in the draft when you picking 7-12

We should have just drafted Lebron. Dumb Knicks!

I know, why would i ever think it was possible to move up in a draft, that's unheard of.

The fact that Atl and Dallas made deals on draft night was ground breaking stuff..

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I don't think a good PG fixes everything... I think this team needs high end talent the most. Hopefully some of the yoots develop into that but hat's what needs to be aggressively pursued

They badly need high end guards. In a league that demands good guard play, we are built thru the front court with no shooters or dribble penetration.

We have never had a real All star PG(at least since strickland and mark), and it's a damn shame. We have had all stars at every position (C, PF, SF, SG) and I felt like we had enough assets to land one in the last 2 drafts, and i would have over paid to do it.

I can't recall the last time any PG drafted in the top 7 turned out to be a bust other than Mudiay

2009--harden, curry, Rubio
2010- Wall
2011- Kyrie
2012- Lillard
2013- olapido-combo guard
2014- role player draft
2015- D russell..mudiay
2016- K Dunn, jamal murry
2017- Fultz, Fox, Ball.......same yr as frank and dsj
2018- trey
2019- Ja

So just in the last 10 yrs we have missed out on a lot of really good pg's, a position that rarely ever produces a draft bust in the top 7

we missed out? We were not able to draft that high remember? This is the part of your "build a winning culture" mantra and riding guys like Morris to 30ish win season desperate to get better. You miss the player you have listed above because they all go early in the draft when you picking 7-12

We should have just drafted Lebron. Dumb Knicks!

I know, why would i ever think it was possible to move up in a draft, that's unheard of.

The fact that Atl and Dallas made deals on draft night was ground breaking stuff..

This could be a breakthrough moment for you... 1248 preaches that losing is bad and team should try to win games and get better because 30 wins is better than 17. Then realizes after 10 years of that team always drafts too late to get franchising changing talent... hmmmmmm

martin wrote:so holy crap... the Knicks drafted Kenny Walker with 5th pick in 1986. Since then, their top 7 picks of the draft: Gallo at #6 in 2008, KP at #4 in 2015 and RJ in at #3 in 2019.

That ****ing Curry trade is what really did the Knicks in.

Ah yes. Fucking popcorn man killing the Knicks.

EDIT:
Just saw this. Warning. Very depressing read.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1934735-where-did-all-the-ny-knicks-draft-picks-go

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I don't think a good PG fixes everything... I think this team needs high end talent the most. Hopefully some of the yoots develop into that but hat's what needs to be aggressively pursued

They badly need high end guards. In a league that demands good guard play, we are built thru the front court with no shooters or dribble penetration.

Tyrese Halliburton

Agreed...If we don't get one of the top 2 picks, I would look into trading back to grab Halliburton. Love his size at the point, about 6'5, long arms, engaged defender, great vision (He and Ball are probably the best passers of the top pg prospects), doesn't turn the ball over, makes winning plays and can knock down the open jumper.

martin wrote:so holy crap... the Knicks drafted Kenny Walker with 5th pick in 1986. Since then, their top 7 picks of the draft: Gallo at #6 in 2008, KP at #4 in 2015 and RJ in at #3 in 2019.

That ****ing Curry trade is what really did the Knicks in.

Hi Martin, I'm curious as to what specifically your "holy crap" refers to? The total number of picks the Knicks got in the top 7 or their performance in using them?
I'm curious also why you used top 7 as the cutoff in your post. It's there a particular significance to that number?
And I agree that that Curry trade was the worst in at least 30 years of Knicks history.

knicks1248 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

martin wrote:so holy crap... the Knicks drafted Kenny Walker with 5th pick in 1986. Since then, their top 7 picks of the draft: Gallo at #6 in 2008, KP at #4 in 2015 and RJ in at #3 in 2019.

That ****ing Curry trade is what really did the Knicks in.

Ah yes. Fucking popcorn man killing the Knicks.

EDIT:
Just saw this. Warning. Very depressing read.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1934735-where-did-all-the-ny-knicks-draft-picks-go

OMG, it's been pathetic, we can't draft to save our lives..

were better off trading our picks if this is the BS we're going to do with them

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

martin wrote:so holy crap... the Knicks drafted Kenny Walker with 5th pick in 1986. Since then, their top 7 picks of the draft: Gallo at #6 in 2008, KP at #4 in 2015 and RJ in at #3 in 2019.

That ****ing Curry trade is what really did the Knicks in.

Ah yes. Fucking popcorn man killing the Knicks.

EDIT:
Just saw this. Warning. Very depressing read.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1934735-where-did-all-the-ny-knicks-draft-picks-go

OMG, it's been pathetic, we can't draft to save our lives..

were better off trading our picks if this is the BS we're going to do with them

Isiah Thomas said exactly the same thing! I can see great minds think alike

This is coming from a guy who said Rose and Bledsoe suck, and would rather have frank

the same guy who said KP was a lock to resign

Panos wrote:

martin wrote:so holy crap... the Knicks drafted Kenny Walker with 5th pick in 1986. Since then, their top 7 picks of the draft: Gallo at #6 in 2008, KP at #4 in 2015 and RJ in at #3 in 2019.

That ****ing Curry trade is what really did the Knicks in.

Hi Martin, I'm curious as to what specifically your "holy crap" refers to? The total number of picks the Knicks got in the top 7 or their performance in using them?
I'm curious also why you used top 7 as the cutoff in your post. It's there a particular significance to that number?
And I agree that that Curry trade was the worst in at least 30 years of Knicks history.

The Rainman said:

I can't recall the last time any PG drafted in the top 7 turned out to be a bust other than Mudiay

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

martin wrote:so holy crap... the Knicks drafted Kenny Walker with 5th pick in 1986. Since then, their top 7 picks of the draft: Gallo at #6 in 2008, KP at #4 in 2015 and RJ in at #3 in 2019.

That ****ing Curry trade is what really did the Knicks in.

Ah yes. Fucking popcorn man killing the Knicks.

EDIT:
Just saw this. Warning. Very depressing read.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1934735-where-did-all-the-ny-knicks-draft-picks-go

OMG, it's been pathetic, we can't draft to save our lives..

were better off trading our picks if this is the BS we're going to do with them

I don't know what you are reading. The whole article is about how the Knicks traded their picks for players and how they COULD have drafted if they kept those picks

You are in bizaro world

DiD You really dummied down the article to justify your arrogant response..lol, your funny

look at the list, how many of the PG's i have listed are on the team that drafted them, even the guys we could have drafted are not on the same team.

The bizaro world you live in won't recognize that, or maybe you refuse to, thats denial.

There's a very small chance of you winning a fckng lottery, any lottery.

My point is that the knicks are not good when it comes to the draft, and they are not good with developing draft picks

You thought Trey Burke was a star and then doubled down on that claim AFTER Phili signed him because they are a title contender

You are fun!