Sambakick wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Sambakick wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Wish Frank could have gotten a chance to play for Mike in Westchester. His draft express scouting report said he needed to develop in the d/g league if he was going to play point. Not sure why the Knicks didn't go there but it might have been because they didn't want to send the 8th pick to the g league.

I have very mixed feelings on this. It is a constant criticism of Frank's development. Being with the Knicks (as opposed to G) one can argue you're practicing and playing against better competition, having better coaches, better nutritionists, seeing the game consistently ay an NBA level where things are faster and bigger etc. G-league gives minutes and (false?) confidence

Is Iggy Brazdeikis not getting the coaching and nutritional advice he needs just because he wears suits to Knicks games but plays in Westchester games? That's ridiculous.

Don’t think he’s saying he getting none. Saying it’s probably not on the level the NBA would provide. But all of the is speculative. The reality is that Iggy isn’t going to get mins with the big club. So him playing in Westchester makes sense as he will actually play big consistent mins.

Why isn't it on NBA level though? These guys practice with the Knicks, then take a short ride and play in Westchester. Playing G-league games would be "in-addition to" their regular NBA life where they ride the pine. There was absolutely no reason not to try to get Frank into some W-Knicks games as the primary guard the last two years. I believe there have been players play for the farm club in the afternoon and the parent team at night. It's not like you are being demoted into some alternate dimension. You're just getting more reps and experience.

Thinking back

Frank started his career with just he Jack and Baker as the PGs for the roster. Wasn't until they called up Burke in Jan and traded for Mudiay in Feb that G-League really made any sense his rookie yr. His 2nd season he started on the wing getting 30mins a night,which he got with a solid pre season. He got the start vs the Warriors at PG about 6 gms in and played well for 2 games. Played horrible the next 4 got demoted 3 gms later. You could say that Dec of last yr when he got demoted with Mudiay & Burke both healthy was possibly the best time frame to send him down. In Jan he basically was finished for the season.

Basically 1 month time frame where G-league made sense within his first 2 yrs.

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

Sambakick wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Sambakick wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Wish Frank could have gotten a chance to play for Mike in Westchester. His draft express scouting report said he needed to develop in the d/g league if he was going to play point. Not sure why the Knicks didn't go there but it might have been because they didn't want to send the 8th pick to the g league.

I have very mixed feelings on this. It is a constant criticism of Frank's development. Being with the Knicks (as opposed to G) one can argue you're practicing and playing against better competition, having better coaches, better nutritionists, seeing the game consistently ay an NBA level where things are faster and bigger etc. G-league gives minutes and (false?) confidence

Is Iggy Brazdeikis not getting the coaching and nutritional advice he needs just because he wears suits to Knicks games but plays in Westchester games? That's ridiculous.

Don’t think he’s saying he getting none. Saying it’s probably not on the level the NBA would provide. But all of the is speculative. The reality is that Iggy isn’t going to get mins with the big club. So him playing in Westchester makes sense as he will actually play big consistent mins.

Why isn't it on NBA level though? These guys practice with the Knicks, then take a short ride and play in Westchester. Playing G-league games would be "in-addition to" their regular NBA life where they ride the pine. There was absolutely no reason not to try to get Frank into some W-Knicks games as the primary guard the last two years. I believe there have been players play for the farm club in the afternoon and the parent team at night. It's not like you are being demoted into some alternate dimension. You're just getting more reps and experience.

No they dont

Didn’t Plumlee play for the W Knicks and the Knicks on the same day?

Pretty sure it was Dotson.

HofstraBBall wrote:And ....were back...

Suns. 23 Minutes 1 for 7 2 pts. -10
Sixers at half. -14 in 8 minutes. 2 pts. Zero assists.

Say what you want about evolution. This is the type of games that is troubling. Evolution may be in biased eye tests of some on this forum. Stats so far say he is averaging less in assists than his first year. Basically same in points as first year. The evolution may need to take a large leap next year. Or it may be time for the eye test to catch up with reality.

Luckily evolution isn’t gauged on a game by game basis

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:And ....were back...

Suns. 23 Minutes 1 for 7 2 pts. -10
Sixers at half. -14 in 8 minutes. 2 pts. Zero assists.

Say what you want about evolution. This is the type of games that is troubling. Evolution may be in biased eye tests of some on this forum. Stats so far say he is averaging less in assists than his first year. Basically same in points as first year. The evolution may need to take a large leap next year. Or it may be time for the eye test to catch up with reality.

Luckily evolution isn’t gauged on a game by game basis

True, hope that's the rule for all the yoots. However, think you missed the part of my post noting how his numbers have basically been the same for three years (Not a couple of games). My reference to last two games as a sign of limited evolution seems like a fair response to some also using a few positive games as a gauge to claim the contrary.

I always root for the guy, but he’s maddening. No consistency to his game at all, almost always plays like a *****, once in a blue moon he decides to be aggressive and scores 13 points and we get excited.

If he’s not looking to shoot at the free throw line or push the tempo towards the rim he might as well sit. Fortunately for him he’s still young and defends so teams will like always take a chance on him.

For the right price he’s fine as a backup for 15-18 minutes a night.

He takes high pressure/high reward attempts.

Clyde always says "There's a reason you're that open"

HofstraBBall wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:And ....were back...

Suns. 23 Minutes 1 for 7 2 pts. -10
Sixers at half. -14 in 8 minutes. 2 pts. Zero assists.

Say what you want about evolution. This is the type of games that is troubling. Evolution may be in biased eye tests of some on this forum. Stats so far say he is averaging less in assists than his first year. Basically same in points as first year. The evolution may need to take a large leap next year. Or it may be time for the eye test to catch up with reality.

Luckily evolution isn’t gauged on a game by game basis

True, hope that's the rule for all the yoots. However, think you missed the part of my post noting how his numbers have basically been the same for three years (Not a couple of games). My reference to last two games as a sign of limited evolution seems like a fair response to some also using a few positive games as a gauge to claim the contrary.

I haven’t checked but Vorkunov was on The Bank Shot pod and said Frank is actually shooting less than he did his first two seasons. Eye test says he is more aggressive and in the paint more on offense.

Some on here will spin that to say how incredibly unselfish he has become. Lol
Don't get me wrong, think he is doing fine. Takes time and he is young. Just don't think he was worth a top 10 pick. Feel that spot is where you try to hit a home run. Frank is no home run. Grant it, when you swing for the fences you strike out a lot but still, think that is what you should do with a top 10. If not, then trade down and pick up two picks where you can pick up solid role players. However, he is a Knick and I root for all Knicks. May not seem like it sometimes but just think the narrative of some over stating his ability is to do to do with Frank and more to do about their unfair expectations at the time he was drafted.

Those are your unrealistic expectations. If it held true you’d get more all star type players with an eighth selection over time, and there aren’t.

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:And ....were back...

Suns. 23 Minutes 1 for 7 2 pts. -10
Sixers at half. -14 in 8 minutes. 2 pts. Zero assists.

Say what you want about evolution. This is the type of games that is troubling. Evolution may be in biased eye tests of some on this forum. Stats so far say he is averaging less in assists than his first year. Basically same in points as first year. The evolution may need to take a large leap next year. Or it may be time for the eye test to catch up with reality.

Luckily evolution isn’t gauged on a game by game basis

True, hope that's the rule for all the yoots. However, think you missed the part of my post noting how his numbers have basically been the same for three years (Not a couple of games). My reference to last two games as a sign of limited evolution seems like a fair response to some also using a few positive games as a gauge to claim the contrary.

I haven’t checked but Vorkunov was on The Bank Shot pod and said Frank is actually shooting less than he did his first two seasons. Eye test says he is more aggressive and in the paint more on offense.

Some on here will spin that to say how incredibly unselfish he has become. Lol
Don't get me wrong, think he is doing fine. Takes time and he is young. Just don't think he was worth a top 10 pick. Feel that spot is where you try to hit a home run. Frank is no home run. Grant it, when you swing for the fences you strike out a lot but still, think that is what you should do with a top 10. If not, then trade down and pick up two picks where you can pick up solid role players. However, he is a Knick and I root for all Knicks. May not seem like it sometimes but just think the narrative of some over stating his ability is to do to do with Frank and more to do about their unfair expectations at the time he was drafted.

Those are your unrealistic expectations. If it held true you’d get more all star type players with an eighth selection over time, and there aren’t.