Im sure if you hate mills, you'll side with KP.
Perhaps visa versa.

Much has been discussed but little is final as to "the Divorce". seems like both sides have their place of blame and depending on your "thing" you'll expand in that direction.

Nalod long has used the team "regrettable" as with most divorces there are not great outcomes. Short term we lose because KP is healthy and doing well. Not lighting the world on fire but its early in his comeback. Dennis has been a no show and our picks are long from materializing yet alone how they will turn out. Obviously in hindsight we could wish we either mended the fence with him or traded him at peak value.

I think Berman really did a good piece to create a neutral depiction. In my estimate both sides messed up. Losing franchises don't do things well and their records speak volumes. Seems we were ill equipped to deal with what Kp and Janis bought to the table. Who have thought that Melo would have such an impact even on the way out. At the same time KP and Janis looked to take advantage of the Knicks issues to carve out special entitlements.

On top of seemingly an endless decade of instances what ever happened with him is certainly "regrettable". Knicks are my team. Can't change the past. Funny that we as fans sided with Dolan about firing Phil for wanting to trade KP. We just can't seem to get on the right side of things!!!

Nalod wrote:

Vmart wrote:When you have a talented individual on a bad team with no direction it is more a reflection on management. It is and was the managements fault KP is not here. Regardless if he wanted out or not it was up to management to make it work not the player.

We fired Phil, Fired Hornacek, he was the face of the franchise and by the time perry came in it was time for Melo to go at that moment. Like most divorces things reach the point of no return.
Your not wrong entirely. It never should have gotten that far out of hind. At the same time KP and Janis were relentless and immature.

They didn’t fire Phil because of KP or Hornacek because of KP. Phil was fired for Melo situation. And Hornacek well was a Perry move and Mills. This was not a appeasement move it was so they can draw FAs using Fizdale’s inner circle which was a complete disaster. KP all he wanted was money and that was his goal a max contract.

Blame on both sides it seems. NOw NY needs to draft yet another good top 3 player in June. Hopefully by then we will see some development from Mitch, Frank, Trier, DSjr that makes the pick, RJ and the rest perhaps decent next year.

ITs only NOvember !

Chandler wrote:I wouldn't call it neutral. Dialed back maybe but not balanced

I read the piece and it still sounds like we're only hearing one side, perhaps with more sources. There was no dirt on Knicks. This is sourced by Knick's sources

all the stuff is again Diva stuff,e.g., car parking, F-bomb, tons of tixs etc (KP at fault, for sure) and in effect that Knicks were still being blamed because of Phil/Melo. Now it could be the case that KP was the only one at fault, that's theoretically possible. I'm just not buying that at all. Some of the stuff seems downright petty

When i start hearing the part about Knicks being a-holes too, I'll believe it's balanced with info from both sides.

didn't know that Phil considered dumping KP even earlier.

The Knicks believe Melo may have helped poison the waters with Porzingis.

I'm sure Melo told KP how to act like a diva. Parking outside the lines. SMH

It just sounds off on the KP and his brother are just aholes angle, and Mills, Perry, Fiz and the "Knicks" are just hapless, helpless reactionaries at the mercy of an injured prima dona.

jrodmc wrote:Yes a truly balanced piece. If you happen to love Phil. And the quotes by Rosen are, of course, priceless if you want unbiased journalism.

The Knicks believe Melo may have helped poison the waters with Porzingis.

It's always good to know and state what the "Knicks" believe.

I'm sure Melo told KP how to act like a diva. Parking outside the lines. SMH

It just sounds off on the KP and his brother are just aholes angle, and Mills, Perry, Fiz and the "Knicks" are just hapless, helpless reactionaries at the mercy of an injured prima dona.

I should have written this piece. COuld have been a lot shorter:

"According to Knicks management, it's everyone else's fault. Here's some other dirt you may not have known. He parked his car funny. He double dipped a potato chip, and supposedly left the seat up on the toilet"

Chandler wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Yes a truly balanced piece. If you happen to love Phil. And the quotes by Rosen are, of course, priceless if you want unbiased journalism.

The Knicks believe Melo may have helped poison the waters with Porzingis.

It's always good to know and state what the "Knicks" believe.

I'm sure Melo told KP how to act like a diva. Parking outside the lines. SMH

It just sounds off on the KP and his brother are just aholes angle, and Mills, Perry, Fiz and the "Knicks" are just hapless, helpless reactionaries at the mercy of an injured prima dona.

I should have written this piece. COuld have been a lot shorter:

"According to Knicks management, it's everyone else's fault. Here's some other dirt you may not have known. He parked his car funny. He double dipped a potato chip, and supposedly left the seat up on the toilet"

That last one is some serious crap, pun intended. My girlfriend never lets me live it down. I mean a couple of late night pisses and I'm Satan. Seriously, I don't even care anymore why he gone. He gone. This current iteration of the Knicks has far bigger problems.

jrodmc wrote:Yes a truly balanced piece. If you happen to love Phil. And the quotes by Rosen are, of course, priceless if you want unbiased journalism.

The Knicks believe Melo may have helped poison the waters with Porzingis.

It's always good to know and state what the "Knicks" believe.

I'm sure Melo told KP how to act like a diva. Parking outside the lines. SMH

It just sounds off on the KP and his brother are just aholes angle, and Mills, Perry, Fiz and the "Knicks" are just hapless, helpless reactionaries at the mercy of an injured prima dona.

It was Melo who hired old Phil and his 90's play book. It was Melo who made KP a diva. It was Melo who hired and fired all those great coaches. It was Melo the Triangle didn't work. It was Melo who gave Melo a max contract.

If it wasn't for Melo, we would have made the playoffs every year. Just like we did every year without him since 2000.

Thing with KP's brother allegedly being an ******* is that all NBA agents are *******s? Think about it, the idea that the Knicks FO was thrown off by KP's brother is hilarious. He was too demanding? Harsh? Agents are one step below roaches. They just have a law degree. Additionally, are the Knicks not able to deal with a diva star player? Their feelings were hurt? That's bodes well for us ever getting one and keeping him. Don't know if most know but most Star players are not made of humble pie.

This whole thing has a couple of simple explanations. Same ones as always. Their names are Mill's and Dolan.

HofstraBBall wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Yes a truly balanced piece. If you happen to love Phil. And the quotes by Rosen are, of course, priceless if you want unbiased journalism.

The Knicks believe Melo may have helped poison the waters with Porzingis.

It's always good to know and state what the "Knicks" believe.

I'm sure Melo told KP how to act like a diva. Parking outside the lines. SMH

It just sounds off on the KP and his brother are just aholes angle, and Mills, Perry, Fiz and the "Knicks" are just hapless, helpless reactionaries at the mercy of an injured prima dona.

It was Melo who hired old Phil and his 90's play book. It was Melo who made KP a diva. It was Melo who hired and fired all those great coaches. It was Melo the Triangle didn't work. It was Melo who gave Melo a max contract.

If it wasn't for Melo, we would have made the playoffs every year. Just like we did every year without him since 2000.

Thing with KP's brother allegedly being an ******* is that all NBA agents are *******s? Think about it, the idea that the Knicks FO was thrown off by KP's brother is hilarious. He was too demanding? Harsh? Agents are one step below roaches. They just have a law degree. Additionally, are the Knicks not able to deal with a diva star player? Their feelings were hurt? That's bodes well for us ever getting one and keeping him. Don't know if most know but most Star players are not made of humble pie.

This whole thing has a couple of simple explanations. Same ones as always. Their names are Mill's and Dolan.

Melo has no issues with Dolan and Mils for 7 years regardless when he and team played great or when he sucked.
KP for some reason became concerned... after year and a half and major injury.
So Melo was OK being in one company with snakes and junkies but KP was above that... Interesting.

nyknickzingis wrote:That was not neutral at all.
No insight from KP or third parties not involved.

We all saw KP yesterday.

Do not tell me he would not look great with Frank, and a scoring wing. Knicks needed a scoring wing who was willing to pass and shoot from outside well, to replace Melo's, iso ball. If the Knicks stuck with their original plan to build with KP and kept even guys like Frank and Willy around to keep chemistry going, they would be in a much better place right now.

Melo is not even in the league right now. Phil was spot on to trade him. KP had a right to be upset, but Knicks had every reason to offer him the 5 year MAX the moment they could. Hesitating is what sealed their fate with KP.

this is my thinking too. they wanted KP to trust them on the money, and then he stopped trusted them once he saw them in action. I'll add having a coach make it sound like you're more injured than you are didn't help things given the bolded situation