GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

martin wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:I think its funny that some here are still calling Frank a "defensive specialist". Still holding on to some sort of hope that he can become something that he is clearly not.

Move on folks...nothing to see here.

I don't get this. What is there to move on from?

Move on Frank.

We want him to succeed so badly that we find any excuse for his shortcomings. He is not a rotational player on a NBA team and hasn't shown (at least to me) that he ever will be. If the Knicks haven't started yet, they need to start looking to move him before he loses even more value.

if he is not a rotational player on the worst team in the league how does he have value?
If we don't perceive value why did we extend his contract? DSjr is bloody awful, we extended him too.
Have to go on the belief that "frank is a good player on a good team". If Frank won't bring us value to make us a good team, then shouldn't we keep and develop him until was are a good team, and he'll make us better?
Did we extend Dennis because we traded for him, or there is a ceiling the plethora of coaches and scouts think he has?

Frank is a rotational player who has limited value on a bad team. Which we are right now. Frank's best role IMO is on a contender, as a backup 1-3. When a starter/star player rests, gets in foul trouble. Frank can come in and help keep the other team from taking advantage of the situation.

Dont see him as a catalyst on offense. Thats what this team needs badly. Frank has value, but keeping him around long term is feeling more like a luxury. If trading Frank could get us a high second round pick. A chance to draft some PGs, that would be a good deal

Smith jr (from a distance) doesnt seem to be emotionally or physically sharp. Before the sad news of the passing of a family member, didnt show the fire we were expecting. Hope he is in a better place when he gets back. Physically and emotionally.

Was the right thing to do pick up both their options. If both players dont look to be a fit long term, then its good to know we have a GM with a good draft record since taking the job, and lots of draft picks. If it doesnt work out with Smith jr. and Frank. Maybe they can bring us even more.

What he said.

...and for the record. I want nothing more than for Frank to prove me wrong. I am Knick fan and want all the Knick players to be successful regardless of what I think of their personal game.

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

martin wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:I think its funny that some here are still calling Frank a "defensive specialist". Still holding on to some sort of hope that he can become something that he is clearly not.

Move on folks...nothing to see here.

I don't get this. What is there to move on from?

Move on Frank.

We want him to succeed so badly that we find any excuse for his shortcomings. He is not a rotational player on a NBA team and hasn't shown (at least to me) that he ever will be. If the Knicks haven't started yet, they need to start looking to move him before he loses even more value.

if he is not a rotational player on the worst team in the league how does he have value?
If we don't perceive value why did we extend his contract? DSjr is bloody awful, we extended him too.
Have to go on the belief that "frank is a good player on a good team". If Frank won't bring us value to make us a good team, then shouldn't we keep and develop him until was are a good team, and he'll make us better?
Did we extend Dennis because we traded for him, or there is a ceiling the plethora of coaches and scouts think he has?

Frank is a rotational player who has limited value on a bad team. Which we are right now. Frank's best role IMO is on a contender, as a backup 1-3. When a starter/star player rests, gets in foul trouble. Frank can come in and help keep the other team from taking advantage of the situation.

Dont see him as a catalyst on offense. Thats what this team needs badly. Frank has value, but keeping him around long term is feeling more like a luxury. If trading Frank could get us a high second round pick. A chance to draft some PGs, that would be a good deal

Smith jr (from a distance) doesnt seem to be emotionally or physically sharp. Before the sad news of the passing of a family member, didnt show the fire we were expecting. Hope he is in a better place when he gets back. Physically and emotionally.

Was the right thing to do pick up both their options. If both players dont look to be a fit long term, then its good to know we have a GM with a good draft record since taking the job, and lots of draft picks. If it doesnt work out with Smith jr. and Frank. Maybe they can bring us even more.

I seriously doubt that when we are desperate for a pg and Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (avg 21 ppg, 7 rbs, and 3.5 asst even with chris paul on the roster for okc)was picked after knox. He also was on the 2nd team all rookie.

There are a good amount of players that were picked after Knox and frank that are doing so much better.

Mitch was definitely a solid pick, but he is in desperate need of a reliable jumper to be a real offensive threat, in today's game it's all about spacing, which is why he was regulated to the bench.

Right now i would prefer The heats BAM ADEBAYO #13 (15 ppg, 9rb, and 5assit) over knox#9(10ppg 3.7 rebounds, 1 asst) i would even prefer herro TYLER HERRO over RJ who shoots FT's worse than ShAQ.

I like RJ, but herro is a much better shooter, and rebonds just as well..

So when you start talking about our GM making great draft picks, go check how other players are doing that were picked after.

OUR gm is hoping signing guy he drafted yrs ago, as if he's trying to justify why he draft them where he was with orlando.

Funny how orlando made the playoffs after revamping their roster when perry was fired, in fact, the magic retain the guy under scott perry, and perry was an assistant gm that's how bad he was..tell me this doesnt sound familiar

There are auxiliary factors to consider, though. As my Ringer teammate Kevin Clark pointed out, the Magic haven’t had lottery luck in loaded draft classes; if the balls bounce a different way, maybe Hennigan looks like a brilliant GM. It’s also not easy to build a team with a lack of organizational alignment. The Magic were trying to go young with the likes of Aaron Gordon and Victor Oladipo, but the youth movement was stopped last summer. They dumped youth and picks for an aging Serge Ibaka, signed Jeff Green to mope on the bench, and brought in Bismack Biyombo to awkwardly fit alongside Nikola Vucevic.

I am happy with Knox development, but that's the route I wanted to go. SGA to be paired with Frank in the back court. With the vision of them being interchangeable guards.