franco12 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

MS wrote:We are way behind on the rebuild.

We have two promising players that figure to be starters for a long time. RJ is going to make a couple of All Star teams, but isn’t a franchise player.

We have two nice bench pieces in the 7th and 8th spots in Frank and Dotson and a wildcard in Knox. He just doesn’t seem to use his body correctly at his size with that reach and athletics match he should be better around the rim and his footwork and motor are weak.

Organizationally we are unbelievably weak. A bottom two owner, an unproven front office and a coach who hasn’t shown he is capable of installing an offense or finding rotations.

Our biggest need this offseason was point guard, so why did we sign four forwards? Rubio at two years made a lot more sense than giving Ellington, Bullock and Portis, 36MM a year. Honestly, would have made more sense to keep Vonleh and Mario for $6MM a year, with a real point guard and not create such a mess with zero spacing.

The front office is as important as our rebuilding pieces because right now they are falling way short.

Way behind of whom?
We are just one year into rebuild and average rebuild in NBA takes at least 5 seasons.
Team can get lucky and draft superstar but even superstar needs year to rich the potential.
Top FAs? Why they will consider to join rebuilding team. They will come after rebuild is bringing some visible fruits and this takes years.
This "banana boat" star alliances made a bad trick with fans minds. Everyone now expect miracles but obviously getting only pain.

Yr 1 of a rebuild...lol..wow

That's what your telling yourself that's pretty funny

So what year it is?
1 year and 7 games to be precise.

You are using the wrong metric as well as writing off an awful lot of developing players.

We are going into year 5 of a rebuild, 2 of which were unintended and partial.

Our picks were KP, Frankie, Knox, Barrett, Dotson, Mitch, Iggy. The KP trade compounded into DSJ and a handful of free agents, some of whom will stick around.

That's a nice haul AND we have multiple picks going forward.

I would argue that we are not falling short but suffering from an abundance of new, unfamiliar riches.

I have reservations about Fizdale but I'm following Alan Hahn's advice and giving it time before advocating pulling the plug. But Fizdale has talent to work with and he and the rest of the coaching staff have to start playing what works until it doesn't. And when it doesn't, recalibrate the rotation. Seems to me the issue is the front court defensive chemistry.

I was just watching some Trae Young highlights, and our problem isn't an abundance of new unfamiliar riches. Our problem is we've had unfortunate draft luck the last several years. We got KP, but for whatever reason, he wanted no part of NYC. We drafted Frank and never had a shot at better players and didn't luck out and pick better players like Mitchell.

We sucked and ended up with Kevin Knox, never had a shot at a star. A team like Dallas were smart and well positioned to trade up for Dončić.

So, we haven't been lucky or smart. Other teams have.

I've tried to give our FO the benefit of the doubt, but this summer was their all in moves. They pushed their chips in, and I know it was plan B. Some of the signings, I liked.

In hindsight, not retaining someone like Mudiay is going to be regretted. We knew heading into this season, both Frank and DSjr were giant question marks. Both have a history of being dinged up. Both have a history of maybe not showing signs of reaching potential.

Can they learn from their mistakes, maybe turn some of these short term signings into something better at the deadline?

Will the draft gods look kindly on us for once, and allow us to draft a better player than some of the marginal players we've gotten?

Have you forgotten that we drafted a very good player in KP. The problem here is Trae You g was allowed the reigns of his team right off the bat. Make as many mistakes as he liked and play trough them. Fizdale hasn’t let anyone if the drafted point guards play through mistake sighting mistakes when there were no mistakes and benching when it wasn’t warranted.
Imagine if the Knicks had landed Durant and Kyrie guess what rebuilding is up shyts creek at that point. What do you call sitting MR who gives the Knicks the most defensive presence in the paint and best chance to win for Randle. I think management is really trying to justify moves rather than keeping to the rebuilding plan. They are looking for anything to get out of rebuilding.

We did get KP. And for whatever reason, he wanted out.

Is it because of family? He's european and been part of a pro league longer?

If we had landed Karl Anthony Towns, would he have wanted out?

I'll grant you, a big part of KP wanting out was the dysfunction, especially with Phil Jackson and the BS moves he made.

And looking at his situation in Dallas to what he left behind, I can blame him for making the request to get out. Can you?

My point is we 1. haven't been especially lucky and 2. our front office hasn't been especially smart. Or stable!

Right now, they're stable. I'd argue this is the start of the rebuild, with Scott Perry. Is he up to the task? Does he have enough talent in the FO to help?

And, will he have enough time to learn and build through mistakes?

Melo wanted out, and KP wanted out, but it obviously had very little to do with phil because phil was gone, and neither had change their minds. Is as if phil never was fired.

Mills is a bigger problem than phil and Isiah ever was

arkrud wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

MS wrote:We are way behind on the rebuild.

We have two promising players that figure to be starters for a long time. RJ is going to make a couple of All Star teams, but isn’t a franchise player.

We have two nice bench pieces in the 7th and 8th spots in Frank and Dotson and a wildcard in Knox. He just doesn’t seem to use his body correctly at his size with that reach and athletics match he should be better around the rim and his footwork and motor are weak.

Organizationally we are unbelievably weak. A bottom two owner, an unproven front office and a coach who hasn’t shown he is capable of installing an offense or finding rotations.

Our biggest need this offseason was point guard, so why did we sign four forwards? Rubio at two years made a lot more sense than giving Ellington, Bullock and Portis, 36MM a year. Honestly, would have made more sense to keep Vonleh and Mario for $6MM a year, with a real point guard and not create such a mess with zero spacing.

The front office is as important as our rebuilding pieces because right now they are falling way short.

Way behind of whom?
We are just one year into rebuild and average rebuild in NBA takes at least 5 seasons.
Team can get lucky and draft superstar but even superstar needs year to rich the potential.
Top FAs? Why they will consider to join rebuilding team. They will come after rebuild is bringing some visible fruits and this takes years.
This "banana boat" star alliances made a bad trick with fans minds. Everyone now expect miracles but obviously getting only pain.

Yr 1 of a rebuild...lol..wow

That's what your telling yourself that's pretty funny

So what year it is?
1 year and 7 games to be precise.

You are using the wrong metric as well as writing off an awful lot of developing players.

We are going into year 5 of a rebuild, 2 of which were unintended and partial.

Our picks were KP, Frankie, Knox, Barrett, Dotson, Mitch, Iggy. The KP trade compounded into DSJ and a handful of free agents, some of whom will stick around.

That's a nice haul AND we have multiple picks going forward.

I would argue that we are not falling short but suffering from an abundance of new, unfamiliar riches.

I have reservations about Fizdale but I'm following Alan Hahn's advice and giving it time before advocating pulling the plug. But Fizdale has talent to work with and he and the rest of the coaching staff have to start playing what works until it doesn't. And when it doesn't, recalibrate the rotation. Seems to me the issue is the front court defensive chemistry.

Rebuild is not an unintended happening. It a strategy professional team is committed to follow.
With your logic Knicks are in year 20+ in rebuild starting with Ewing trade... 19 years being unintended.
Jackson tried to retool on the fly maybe keeping the complete rebuild in mind.
But was no commitment to this from ownership and FO, as well as fan base.
Last season started with strong commitment to rebuild the club no matter how long it will take.
And FO is doing exactly that.
KP was a shortcut case which did not pan out as it does is most cases.
So drop your expectations for at least 3-4 seasons. This team will not be any good short term.
Winning is a bonus. The thing to watch is ups and downs of team building and players development.
It is always a time to collect stones. Knicks were masterful to throw them all over. Now it will take long time to collect.

When I say "unintended", I'm simply giving the context of what Phil had reason to expect. Phil inherited a stripped down version of a pretty competitive Knicks team that still had lots of its parts intact - a freshly resigned Melo, JR, Felton, and so on. Due to circumstances beyond his control, that team melted down in a hundred ever-so-familiar ways. Phil recognized it as an opportunity to change the course of the battleship by keeping picks and attempting to win with sociopathic basketball antics of Melo in tow. That landed KP and set the table for the Mills/Perry rebuild.

Phil was smart enough to back into a rebuild without public advocacy knowing full well that rebuilding in NY is as popular as cancer. He was not dysfunctional, he was unpopular with the MSM who wanted to dry hump his leg about KP and Melo.

The complaints expressed so often on this forum about our draft picks are simply misguided. Yes, you can cherry-pick all of the players we missed out on or that you'd like druthers on BUT... our drafting has been significantly better than many, many teams have had.

That said. We also picked bleeding edge young players. The whining about Frankie who is not even old enough to drink borders on insanity. Same for the rest of our team. Even the recent signees are years away from their prime.

My expectation is that this team will develop a winning culture *this year*. The seeds of a championship team are here.

Frankie, Knox, Dotson and a few others will all become stars in this league. Dismissing them prematurely is manifest ignorance.

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

MS wrote:We are way behind on the rebuild.

We have two promising players that figure to be starters for a long time. RJ is going to make a couple of All Star teams, but isn’t a franchise player.

We have two nice bench pieces in the 7th and 8th spots in Frank and Dotson and a wildcard in Knox. He just doesn’t seem to use his body correctly at his size with that reach and athletics match he should be better around the rim and his footwork and motor are weak.

Organizationally we are unbelievably weak. A bottom two owner, an unproven front office and a coach who hasn’t shown he is capable of installing an offense or finding rotations.

Our biggest need this offseason was point guard, so why did we sign four forwards? Rubio at two years made a lot more sense than giving Ellington, Bullock and Portis, 36MM a year. Honestly, would have made more sense to keep Vonleh and Mario for $6MM a year, with a real point guard and not create such a mess with zero spacing.

The front office is as important as our rebuilding pieces because right now they are falling way short.

Way behind of whom?
We are just one year into rebuild and average rebuild in NBA takes at least 5 seasons.
Team can get lucky and draft superstar but even superstar needs year to rich the potential.
Top FAs? Why they will consider to join rebuilding team. They will come after rebuild is bringing some visible fruits and this takes years.
This "banana boat" star alliances made a bad trick with fans minds. Everyone now expect miracles but obviously getting only pain.

Yr 1 of a rebuild...lol..wow

That's what your telling yourself that's pretty funny

So what year it is?
1 year and 7 games to be precise.

You are using the wrong metric as well as writing off an awful lot of developing players.

We are going into year 5 of a rebuild, 2 of which were unintended and partial.

Our picks were KP, Frankie, Knox, Barrett, Dotson, Mitch, Iggy. The KP trade compounded into DSJ and a handful of free agents, some of whom will stick around.

That's a nice haul AND we have multiple picks going forward.

I would argue that we are not falling short but suffering from an abundance of new, unfamiliar riches.

I have reservations about Fizdale but I'm following Alan Hahn's advice and giving it time before advocating pulling the plug. But Fizdale has talent to work with and he and the rest of the coaching staff have to start playing what works until it doesn't. And when it doesn't, recalibrate the rotation. Seems to me the issue is the front court defensive chemistry.

I was just watching some Trae Young highlights, and our problem isn't an abundance of new unfamiliar riches. Our problem is we've had unfortunate draft luck the last several years. We got KP, but for whatever reason, he wanted no part of NYC. We drafted Frank and never had a shot at better players and didn't luck out and pick better players like Mitchell.

We sucked and ended up with Kevin Knox, never had a shot at a star. A team like Dallas were smart and well positioned to trade up for Dončić.

So, we haven't been lucky or smart. Other teams have.

I've tried to give our FO the benefit of the doubt, but this summer was their all in moves. They pushed their chips in, and I know it was plan B. Some of the signings, I liked.

In hindsight, not retaining someone like Mudiay is going to be regretted. We knew heading into this season, both Frank and DSjr were giant question marks. Both have a history of being dinged up. Both have a history of maybe not showing signs of reaching potential.

Can they learn from their mistakes, maybe turn some of these short term signings into something better at the deadline?

Will the draft gods look kindly on us for once, and allow us to draft a better player than some of the marginal players we've gotten?

Have you forgotten that we drafted a very good player in KP. The problem here is Trae You g was allowed the reigns of his team right off the bat. Make as many mistakes as he liked and play trough them. Fizdale hasn’t let anyone if the drafted point guards play through mistake sighting mistakes when there were no mistakes and benching when it wasn’t warranted.
Imagine if the Knicks had landed Durant and Kyrie guess what rebuilding is up shyts creek at that point. What do you call sitting MR who gives the Knicks the most defensive presence in the paint and best chance to win for Randle. I think management is really trying to justify moves rather than keeping to the rebuilding plan. They are looking for anything to get out of rebuilding.

We did get KP. And for whatever reason, he wanted out.

Is it because of family? He's european and been part of a pro league longer?

If we had landed Karl Anthony Towns, would he have wanted out?

I'll grant you, a big part of KP wanting out was the dysfunction, especially with Phil Jackson and the BS moves he made.

And looking at his situation in Dallas to what he left behind, I can blame him for making the request to get out. Can you?

My point is we 1. haven't been especially lucky and 2. our front office hasn't been especially smart. Or stable!

Right now, they're stable. I'd argue this is the start of the rebuild, with Scott Perry. Is he up to the task? Does he have enough talent in the FO to help?

And, will he have enough time to learn and build through mistakes?

Melo wanted out, and KP wanted out, but it obviously had very little to do with phil because phil was gone, and neither had change their minds. Is as if phil never was fired.

Mills is a bigger problem than phil and Isiah ever was

Best thing is how simple you keep it.

2 things you should know, that you probably didn't know.

Mills being dolans BFF, practically begged Dolan to Hire Isiah

Layden reported directly to Steve Mills

Mills as been part of every bad hire(except phil) that the knicks ever had...

I don't know why I hate that guy so much...but he's just really bad

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

MS wrote:We are way behind on the rebuild.

We have two promising players that figure to be starters for a long time. RJ is going to make a couple of All Star teams, but isn’t a franchise player.

We have two nice bench pieces in the 7th and 8th spots in Frank and Dotson and a wildcard in Knox. He just doesn’t seem to use his body correctly at his size with that reach and athletics match he should be better around the rim and his footwork and motor are weak.

Organizationally we are unbelievably weak. A bottom two owner, an unproven front office and a coach who hasn’t shown he is capable of installing an offense or finding rotations.

Our biggest need this offseason was point guard, so why did we sign four forwards? Rubio at two years made a lot more sense than giving Ellington, Bullock and Portis, 36MM a year. Honestly, would have made more sense to keep Vonleh and Mario for $6MM a year, with a real point guard and not create such a mess with zero spacing.

The front office is as important as our rebuilding pieces because right now they are falling way short.

Way behind of whom?
We are just one year into rebuild and average rebuild in NBA takes at least 5 seasons.
Team can get lucky and draft superstar but even superstar needs year to rich the potential.
Top FAs? Why they will consider to join rebuilding team. They will come after rebuild is bringing some visible fruits and this takes years.
This "banana boat" star alliances made a bad trick with fans minds. Everyone now expect miracles but obviously getting only pain.

Yr 1 of a rebuild...lol..wow

That's what your telling yourself that's pretty funny

So what year it is?
1 year and 7 games to be precise.

You are using the wrong metric as well as writing off an awful lot of developing players.

We are going into year 5 of a rebuild, 2 of which were unintended and partial.

Our picks were KP, Frankie, Knox, Barrett, Dotson, Mitch, Iggy. The KP trade compounded into DSJ and a handful of free agents, some of whom will stick around.

That's a nice haul AND we have multiple picks going forward.

I would argue that we are not falling short but suffering from an abundance of new, unfamiliar riches.

I have reservations about Fizdale but I'm following Alan Hahn's advice and giving it time before advocating pulling the plug. But Fizdale has talent to work with and he and the rest of the coaching staff have to start playing what works until it doesn't. And when it doesn't, recalibrate the rotation. Seems to me the issue is the front court defensive chemistry.

I was just watching some Trae Young highlights, and our problem isn't an abundance of new unfamiliar riches. Our problem is we've had unfortunate draft luck the last several years. We got KP, but for whatever reason, he wanted no part of NYC. We drafted Frank and never had a shot at better players and didn't luck out and pick better players like Mitchell.

We sucked and ended up with Kevin Knox, never had a shot at a star. A team like Dallas were smart and well positioned to trade up for Dončić.

So, we haven't been lucky or smart. Other teams have.

I've tried to give our FO the benefit of the doubt, but this summer was their all in moves. They pushed their chips in, and I know it was plan B. Some of the signings, I liked.

In hindsight, not retaining someone like Mudiay is going to be regretted. We knew heading into this season, both Frank and DSjr were giant question marks. Both have a history of being dinged up. Both have a history of maybe not showing signs of reaching potential.

Can they learn from their mistakes, maybe turn some of these short term signings into something better at the deadline?

Will the draft gods look kindly on us for once, and allow us to draft a better player than some of the marginal players we've gotten?

Have you forgotten that we drafted a very good player in KP. The problem here is Trae You g was allowed the reigns of his team right off the bat. Make as many mistakes as he liked and play trough them. Fizdale hasn’t let anyone if the drafted point guards play through mistake sighting mistakes when there were no mistakes and benching when it wasn’t warranted.
Imagine if the Knicks had landed Durant and Kyrie guess what rebuilding is up shyts creek at that point. What do you call sitting MR who gives the Knicks the most defensive presence in the paint and best chance to win for Randle. I think management is really trying to justify moves rather than keeping to the rebuilding plan. They are looking for anything to get out of rebuilding.

We did get KP. And for whatever reason, he wanted out.

Is it because of family? He's european and been part of a pro league longer?

If we had landed Karl Anthony Towns, would he have wanted out?

I'll grant you, a big part of KP wanting out was the dysfunction, especially with Phil Jackson and the BS moves he made.

And looking at his situation in Dallas to what he left behind, I can blame him for making the request to get out. Can you?

My point is we 1. haven't been especially lucky and 2. our front office hasn't been especially smart. Or stable!

Right now, they're stable. I'd argue this is the start of the rebuild, with Scott Perry. Is he up to the task? Does he have enough talent in the FO to help?

And, will he have enough time to learn and build through mistakes?

Melo wanted out, and KP wanted out, but it obviously had very little to do with phil because phil was gone, and neither had change their minds. Is as if phil never was fired.

Mills is a bigger problem than phil and Isiah ever was

Best thing is how simple you keep it.

2 things you should know, that you probably didn't know.

Mills being dolans BFF, practically begged Dolan to Hire Isiah

Layden reported directly to Steve Mills

Mills as been part of every bad hire(except phil) that the knicks ever had...

I don't know why I hate that guy so much...but he's just really bad

Isiah was hired as knick president when Layden was fired by I think post checketts and pre isiah Dolan pretty much had final say. Most articles site Dolan as extending coaches contracts, hiring Layden, etc. Your blind hate for mills has you making up shyt at times. The BFF thing is your romancing your cause. You really have it in for him. BTW, the story is Dolan wanted Magic Johnson and it was him who referred to Isiah. Sorry, I think you over due the MIlls conspiracy a bit much.

As long as Mills is here I'd like to think he can be part of the solution even if he was party to the problems prior. I seen nothing egregious in his tenure once he was made president post phil. If you need the hate to get thru enjoy yourself.
If you choose to blame him for everything with a linear focus that makes your reactions as automatic and rigid as your fictional namesake and respond in such a "Simple" manner, well that's your choice. I have presented facts and time lines when ever possible for the better part of two years and it falls deaf on you.

This narrative is accurate by my recollection as well.

arkrud wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

MS wrote:We are way behind on the rebuild.

We have two promising players that figure to be starters for a long time. RJ is going to make a couple of All Star teams, but isn’t a franchise player.

We have two nice bench pieces in the 7th and 8th spots in Frank and Dotson and a wildcard in Knox. He just doesn’t seem to use his body correctly at his size with that reach and athletics match he should be better around the rim and his footwork and motor are weak.

Organizationally we are unbelievably weak. A bottom two owner, an unproven front office and a coach who hasn’t shown he is capable of installing an offense or finding rotations.

Our biggest need this offseason was point guard, so why did we sign four forwards? Rubio at two years made a lot more sense than giving Ellington, Bullock and Portis, 36MM a year. Honestly, would have made more sense to keep Vonleh and Mario for $6MM a year, with a real point guard and not create such a mess with zero spacing.

The front office is as important as our rebuilding pieces because right now they are falling way short.

Way behind of whom?
We are just one year into rebuild and average rebuild in NBA takes at least 5 seasons.
Team can get lucky and draft superstar but even superstar needs year to rich the potential.
Top FAs? Why they will consider to join rebuilding team. They will come after rebuild is bringing some visible fruits and this takes years.
This "banana boat" star alliances made a bad trick with fans minds. Everyone now expect miracles but obviously getting only pain.

Yr 1 of a rebuild...lol..wow

That's what your telling yourself that's pretty funny

So what year it is?
1 year and 7 games to be precise.

You are using the wrong metric as well as writing off an awful lot of developing players.

We are going into year 5 of a rebuild, 2 of which were unintended and partial.

Our picks were KP, Frankie, Knox, Barrett, Dotson, Mitch, Iggy. The KP trade compounded into DSJ and a handful of free agents, some of whom will stick around.

That's a nice haul AND we have multiple picks going forward.

I would argue that we are not falling short but suffering from an abundance of new, unfamiliar riches.

I have reservations about Fizdale but I'm following Alan Hahn's advice and giving it time before advocating pulling the plug. But Fizdale has talent to work with and he and the rest of the coaching staff have to start playing what works until it doesn't. And when it doesn't, recalibrate the rotation. Seems to me the issue is the front court defensive chemistry.

I was just watching some Trae Young highlights, and our problem isn't an abundance of new unfamiliar riches. Our problem is we've had unfortunate draft luck the last several years. We got KP, but for whatever reason, he wanted no part of NYC. We drafted Frank and never had a shot at better players and didn't luck out and pick better players like Mitchell.

We sucked and ended up with Kevin Knox, never had a shot at a star. A team like Dallas were smart and well positioned to trade up for Dončić.

So, we haven't been lucky or smart. Other teams have.

I've tried to give our FO the benefit of the doubt, but this summer was their all in moves. They pushed their chips in, and I know it was plan B. Some of the signings, I liked.

In hindsight, not retaining someone like Mudiay is going to be regretted. We knew heading into this season, both Frank and DSjr were giant question marks. Both have a history of being dinged up. Both have a history of maybe not showing signs of reaching potential.

Can they learn from their mistakes, maybe turn some of these short term signings into something better at the deadline?

Will the draft gods look kindly on us for once, and allow us to draft a better player than some of the marginal players we've gotten?

Have you forgotten that we drafted a very good player in KP. The problem here is Trae You g was allowed the reigns of his team right off the bat. Make as many mistakes as he liked and play trough them. Fizdale hasn’t let anyone if the drafted point guards play through mistake sighting mistakes when there were no mistakes and benching when it wasn’t warranted.
Imagine if the Knicks had landed Durant and Kyrie guess what rebuilding is up shyts creek at that point. What do you call sitting MR who gives the Knicks the most defensive presence in the paint and best chance to win for Randle. I think management is really trying to justify moves rather than keeping to the rebuilding plan. They are looking for anything to get out of rebuilding.

We did get KP. And for whatever reason, he wanted out.

Is it because of family? He's european and been part of a pro league longer?

If we had landed Karl Anthony Towns, would he have wanted out?

I'll grant you, a big part of KP wanting out was the dysfunction, especially with Phil Jackson and the BS moves he made.

And looking at his situation in Dallas to what he left behind, I can blame him for making the request to get out. Can you?

My point is we 1. haven't been especially lucky and 2. our front office hasn't been especially smart. Or stable!

Right now, they're stable. I'd argue this is the start of the rebuild, with Scott Perry. Is he up to the task? Does he have enough talent in the FO to help?

And, will he have enough time to learn and build through mistakes?

Melo wanted out, and KP wanted out, but it obviously had very little to do with phil because phil was gone, and neither had change their minds. Is as if phil never was fired.

Mills is a bigger problem than phil and Isiah ever was

Best thing is how simple you keep it.

2 things you should know, that you probably didn't know.

Mills being dolans BFF, practically begged Dolan to Hire Isiah

Layden reported directly to Steve Mills

Mills as been part of every bad hire(except phil) that the knicks ever had...

I don't know why I hate that guy so much...but he's just really bad

Isiah was hired as knick president when Layden was fired by I think post checketts and pre isiah Dolan pretty much had final say. Most articles site Dolan as extending coaches contracts, hiring Layden, etc. Your blind hate for mills has you making up shyt at times. The BFF thing is your romancing your cause. You really have it in for him. BTW, the story is Dolan wanted Magic Johnson and it was him who referred to Isiah. Sorry, I think you over due the MIlls conspiracy a bit much.

As long as Mills is here I'd like to think he can be part of the solution even if he was party to the problems prior. I seen nothing egregious in his tenure once he was made president post phil. If you need the hate to get thru enjoy yourself.
If you choose to blame him for everything with a linear focus that makes your reactions as automatic and rigid as your fictional namesake and respond in such a "Simple" manner, well that's your choice. I have presented facts and time lines when ever possible for the better part of two years and it falls deaf on you.

This narrative is accurate by my recollection as well.

Blaming one empty suit for all team problems is comforting but set up one for great disappointment when this empty suit replaced by another one and nothing changes.
Dolan never understood anything about basketball business and his reflective micromanagement of MSG and especially Knicks is the root of all problems.
He lost interest in hockey very fast and this was a blessing for Rangers organization. The true hockey people took over and we have elite club for a long stretch.
More so we witness very fast pace rebuild going in front of our eyes.
Mils is absolutely empty place as it can be. So Perry get great opportunity to execute his vision 100%.
I am not sure that Fiz is the coach Perry envisioned for the final product. But for now they are on the same page.
The hole is deep so they need time to clime out. I am willing to give it to them. What is the other choice anyways?

Your statement is far to logical to quell the blood thirst of fans after another loss. At the very least Fiz gets to stay 60 games. If its deemed he has lost his team and the development of the yoot is retarding, and they are tuned out then he goes that soon. This is a team still trying to execute. I see progress. I don't see wins. Ultimately he'll have to answer for that.
Do I seem him long term bringing knicks to glory? lets see if we can get to 10 wins before 20 losses before we start down that path.