Knixkik wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Nalod wrote:Build around Barrett?

1. Keep doing what we are doing. It will add up.
2. Progress will get Gianiss Woke. My guess is by next season Bucks will insist him to commit or submitt list of teams he'd commit to. The AD-Melo playbook move. Bucks don't want to walk away empty handed. Gianiss has to weight injury risk vs. destination. He can tell them "No guarantee" and pull a KP. Lowers his value but he does not commit to who trades for him. BTW, low starphuch probability here but you have to have trade assets and cap space to even be in the conversation. We might get there.
3. Mitch is a bit "ShakY" but it looksl ike they are asking him to do more. THis is a big key.
4. Who we draft this spring. Best player might be PG, center, PF. Who knows. Excess either expires are is traded. Now the rebuild starts to mount. Tear down, youth, asset accumulaton and then you start with asset consolidation. This is the fun part. Boston had some nice teasers the last few years. Crowder and Isiah, Then used them for Kyrie Trade.....Etc. Philly got Jimmy Butler.
5. Barrett looks like Gordan Haywoodish. Good passer, can play three positions. Gordon was a better shooter younger but became a better Finisher as he filled out. Kid is big now. He lost two seasons and just beginning to return to form. Both are complete players. Barrett is going to be good. RJ build is very different than 19 year old Haywood was. The trajecotry is said is current snapshot, not where I think Barrett will be.
6. We have all our picks plus Dallas's. Excess assets. Someone will come a knocking.
7. For this seaosn I'd like to see DSjr finish strong and Frank establish his position as our best PG. I like RJ long term at the 2 or three. Elite 3's can play either and it don't matter. WE draft a Trae Young/Morant type with upside thats fine. Dennis likley gets made gone and until Frank shows much more on offense he either becomes that dudes wingman or good solid player off the bench.
8. Winning.

The Dallas picks will be in the low 20's. Doncic is very good he will have that team in the top 5 in the West

You think he will by next year ? That seems like a lot considering KP needs to prove capable of playing a full season and there isn’t much else on the roster other than complimentary players.

Knixkik wrote:

Nalod wrote:Build around Barrett?

1. Keep doing what we are doing. It will add up.
2. Progress will get Gianiss Woke. My guess is by next season Bucks will insist him to commit or submitt list of teams he'd commit to. The AD-Melo playbook move. Bucks don't want to walk away empty handed. Gianiss has to weight injury risk vs. destination. He can tell them "No guarantee" and pull a KP. Lowers his value but he does not commit to who trades for him. BTW, low starphuch probability here but you have to have trade assets and cap space to even be in the conversation. We might get there.
3. Mitch is a bit "ShakY" but it looksl ike they are asking him to do more. THis is a big key.
4. Who we draft this spring. Best player might be PG, center, PF. Who knows. Excess either expires are is traded. Now the rebuild starts to mount. Tear down, youth, asset accumulaton and then you start with asset consolidation. This is the fun part. Boston had some nice teasers the last few years. Crowder and Isiah, Then used them for Kyrie Trade.....Etc. Philly got Jimmy Butler.

The problem is we are just acquiring talent without a real plan for fit. That’s fine for now but Eventually we have to focus on fit so the pieces look good together. Whatever games we win this year will be because we added a few decent players capable of winning some games. But I’m thinking of the next phase. How do we bring it together and make it look good together instead of just blindly accumulating talent wherever available? That will be the key to turning Barrett into a star. Milwaukee is a perfect example of how to build around their lone superstar.

Well you talk about adding fit and about adding for the next phase but in the OP you say you don't think PG is our biggest need but if we're adding for fit and the next phase then PG is absolutely our biggest need and will fit and fit the next phase. We need to get one of these top PG's in the next draft. If we don't end up far enough in the top of the lottery then we need to do whatever we can to trade up to get one of the top PG's coming out and there's a couple that should be legit PG's at the next level and nice fits next to Barrett.

newyorker4ever wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:It will be interesting to see how Bullock comes back from neck fusion surgery. He may not ever be the player he was but if he can get back it would be a big help having another shooter. I like the idea of adding Harris. I don’t know where the Nets are cap wise but they did just commit money to Prince so he might be available.

I assume the nets will try to keep him but they have a lot of money tied up in their current core. We can’t just offer short term contracts forever. At some point we need to make a commitment that moves the needle and a shooter like Harris can do that. As long as we maintain flexibility overall then it’s fine.

is Harris a SG? I understand shooters but that's RJ's position. Guy just turned 28 so will be 29 at beginning of next season wanting a 4 year deal. That doesn't sound like the ideal candidate

I'd want to make a commitment to move the needle but you grab the high quality players first and then fit pieces around them. Harris to me is not a high quality player, he's a fit player you get after

He’s playing SF this year. He’s just a wing and probably a top 3 shooter in the league. At age 29 he’s worth a 4 year deal and should age very well. I consider him a high level role player. Basically a taller Redick.

Top 3 shooter in the league? Ummmmm huh? No way is he top 3.

BigDaddyG wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:It will be interesting to see how Bullock comes back from neck fusion surgery. He may not ever be the player he was but if he can get back it would be a big help having another shooter. I like the idea of adding Harris. I don’t know where the Nets are cap wise but they did just commit money to Prince so he might be available.

I assume the nets will try to keep him but they have a lot of money tied up in their current core. We can’t just offer short term contracts forever. At some point we need to make a commitment that moves the needle and a shooter like Harris can do that. As long as we maintain flexibility overall then it’s fine.

is Harris a SG? I understand shooters but that's RJ's position. Guy just turned 28 so will be 29 at beginning of next season wanting a 4 year deal. That doesn't sound like the ideal candidate

I'd want to make a commitment to move the needle but you grab the high quality players first and then fit pieces around them. Harris to me is not a high quality player, he's a fit player you get after

He’s playing SF this year. He’s just a wing and probably a top 3 shooter in the league. At age 29 he’s worth a 4 year deal and should age very well. I consider him a high level role player. Basically a taller Redick.

Top 3 shooter in the league? Ummmmm huh? No way is he top 3.

Harris? I think he led the league in 3 point percentage last year and he's starting this season at a scorching 57%. I think you can make the case that he's one of the top three spot up guys from downtown in the league. I wouldn't mind signing him, but he's down the list of team needs. Definitely not a priority signing. But I did say the same thing about Brogdon last year and he's making me look like an @$$hole this year.

So you have:
Curry
Harden
J.Harris?

Really?

What about:
Trey Young
B.Beal
D.Booker
B.Hield

I know i'm missing some but don't feel like looking it up.

What the Dallas win is giving us a glimpse of is a [sufficiently] Big Three in Ntilikina, Barret, and MR.

As we watch Golden State fade out west, we witness the birth of a young dynasty in the East.

Expect Dotson to be the next breakout - he's a sleeper 3 and D player who just needs minutes.

The Knicks could live with Ntilikina, Payton, and Allen as PGs putting Trier and DSJ on a bit of a bubble. Chances are neither can compete on the defensive end with those three although both hold value to contending teams looking for some pop off the bench.

I was not super high on Knox but his this year has me doing a total 180. His effort on defense is great. He makes lots of mistakes there but never gives up and often recovers, he's also a very good scramble D player when things break down because the guy is a fantastic athlete. His shooting and crazy and he's great at attacking the rim. Doesn't always finish but those are great plays and make for easy putbacks.

Mitch has great potential as rim protector and super mobile 5. Like Frank he's got a lot to prove as well but the pieces are looking better today

fwk00 wrote:Well, let's give Fizdale some credit in Frank's development as of the Dallas game. He's giving him rope.

What the Dallas win is giving us a glimpse of is a [sufficiently] Big Three in Ntilikina, Barret, and MR.

As we watch Golden State fade out west, we witness the birth of a young dynasty in the East.

Expect Dotson to be the next breakout - he's a sleeper 3 and D player who just needs minutes.

The Knicks could live with Ntilikina, Payton, and Allen as PGs putting Trier and DSJ on a bit of a bubble. Chances are neither can compete on the defensive end with those three although both hold value to contending teams looking for some pop off the bench.