Nalod wrote:Build around Barrett?

1. Keep doing what we are doing. It will add up.
2. Progress will get Gianiss Woke. My guess is by next season Bucks will insist him to commit or submitt list of teams he'd commit to. The AD-Melo playbook move. Bucks don't want to walk away empty handed. Gianiss has to weight injury risk vs. destination. He can tell them "No guarantee" and pull a KP. Lowers his value but he does not commit to who trades for him. BTW, low starphuch probability here but you have to have trade assets and cap space to even be in the conversation. We might get there.
3. Mitch is a bit "ShakY" but it looksl ike they are asking him to do more. THis is a big key.
4. Who we draft this spring. Best player might be PG, center, PF. Who knows. Excess either expires are is traded. Now the rebuild starts to mount. Tear down, youth, asset accumulaton and then you start with asset consolidation. This is the fun part. Boston had some nice teasers the last few years. Crowder and Isiah, Then used them for Kyrie Trade.....Etc. Philly got Jimmy Butler.

The problem is we are just acquiring talent without a real plan for fit. That’s fine for now but Eventually we have to focus on fit so the pieces look good together. Whatever games we win this year will be because we added a few decent players capable of winning some games. But I’m thinking of the next phase. How do we bring it together and make it look good together instead of just blindly accumulating talent wherever available? That will be the key to turning Barrett into a star. Milwaukee is a perfect example of how to build around their lone superstar.

CrushAlot wrote:It will be interesting to see how Bullock comes back from neck fusion surgery. He may not ever be the player he was but if he can get back it would be a big help having another shooter. I like the idea of adding Harris. I don’t know where the Nets are cap wise but they did just commit money to Prince so he might be available.

I assume the nets will try to keep him but they have a lot of money tied up in their current core. We can’t just offer short term contracts forever. At some point we need to make a commitment that moves the needle and a shooter like Harris can do that. As long as we maintain flexibility overall then it’s fine.

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:It will be interesting to see how Bullock comes back from neck fusion surgery. He may not ever be the player he was but if he can get back it would be a big help having another shooter. I like the idea of adding Harris. I don’t know where the Nets are cap wise but they did just commit money to Prince so he might be available.

I assume the nets will try to keep him but they have a lot of money tied up in their current core. We can’t just offer short term contracts forever. At some point we need to make a commitment that moves the needle and a shooter like Harris can do that. As long as we maintain flexibility overall then it’s fine.

is Harris a SG? I understand shooters but that's RJ's position. Guy just turned 28 so will be 29 at beginning of next season wanting a 4 year deal. That doesn't sound like the ideal candidate

I'd want to make a commitment to move the needle but you grab the high quality players first and then fit pieces around them. Harris to me is not a high quality player, he's a fit player you get after

He’s playing SF this year. He’s just a wing and probably a top 3 shooter in the league. At age 29 he’s worth a 4 year deal and should age very well. I consider him a high level role player. Basically a taller Redick.

Knixkik wrote:I think we sort of know what we have with him now. We have to get this right and make sure we put him in a situation to succeed. I don’t think PG is the biggest issue. The lack of shooters is. Ellington, Knox, Portis, and Morris can all make shots, but none of them are the pure shooters we need in the lineup. We need to identify players who fit alongside Barrett in the starting lineup and can make life easier for him. Too bad Buddy Hield is locked up. But Bogdanovic might be available. Another couple of guys who will be free agents are Joe Harris and Bryne Forbes. Should we try to steal one of them? I think at this point with our commitment towards Barrett, Randle, and Mitch already , adding anyone to the roster that isn’t an above average 3pt shooter is not smart. I like our bench of Portis, Knox, and Ellington. All guys who can get on a roll from the outside. But we need to find quality role players who can start alongside Barrett and give him the spacing he needs. Thoughts?

Yep Hield would of been a fantastic fit. Randle and Mitch don't work togther. Randle has a dinosaur game, now we are stuck with him for another year.

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TPercy wrote:You don't. Based on his current play I'd say his ceiling is as a secondary scorer on a good playoff team.

If so that’s fine. But he will have the ball in his hands and be our best player for the foreseeable future. A guy doesn’t have to be a number one scorer to be built around.

Nalod wrote:Build around Barrett?

1. Keep doing what we are doing. It will add up.
2. Progress will get Gianiss Woke. My guess is by next season Bucks will insist him to commit or submitt list of teams he'd commit to. The AD-Melo playbook move. Bucks don't want to walk away empty handed. Gianiss has to weight injury risk vs. destination. He can tell them "No guarantee" and pull a KP. Lowers his value but he does not commit to who trades for him. BTW, low starphuch probability here but you have to have trade assets and cap space to even be in the conversation. We might get there.
3. Mitch is a bit "ShakY" but it looksl ike they are asking him to do more. THis is a big key.
4. Who we draft this spring. Best player might be PG, center, PF. Who knows. Excess either expires are is traded. Now the rebuild starts to mount. Tear down, youth, asset accumulaton and then you start with asset consolidation. This is the fun part. Boston had some nice teasers the last few years. Crowder and Isiah, Then used them for Kyrie Trade.....Etc. Philly got Jimmy Butler.
5. Barrett looks like Gordan Haywoodish. Good passer, can play three positions. Gordon was a better shooter younger but became a better Finisher as he filled out. Kid is big now. He lost two seasons and just beginning to return to form. Both are complete players. Barrett is going to be good. RJ build is very different than 19 year old Haywood was. The trajecotry is said is current snapshot, not where I think Barrett will be.
6. We have all our picks plus Dallas's. Excess assets. Someone will come a knocking.
7. For this seaosn I'd like to see DSjr finish strong and Frank establish his position as our best PG. I like RJ long term at the 2 or three. Elite 3's can play either and it don't matter. WE draft a Trae Young/Morant type with upside thats fine. Dennis likley gets made gone and until Frank shows much more on offense he either becomes that dudes wingman or good solid player off the bench.
8. Winning.

The Dallas picks will be in the low 20's. Doncic is very good he will have that team in the top 5 in the West

TPercy wrote:You don't. Based on his current play I'd say his ceiling is as a secondary scorer on a good playoff team.

That could end up being the case as far as scoring, but aside from Barrett's FT shooting, there is more to his game than buckets. Has shown he can be one of the leading scorers on a nightly basis.

Barrett might get psyched after a big play, but he's a very cool customer during the game. Very economical in his movement. Hopefully a PG will start who can bring a more high octane game, as a counterpoint to Barrett's game. Hope Smith jr can right himself and be that guy. Believe they would make a hell of a one two punch. If not DSJr, another PG with an extra gear.

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Nalod wrote:Build around Barrett?

1. Keep doing what we are doing. It will add up.
2. Progress will get Gianiss Woke. My guess is by next season Bucks will insist him to commit or submitt list of teams he'd commit to. The AD-Melo playbook move. Bucks don't want to walk away empty handed. Gianiss has to weight injury risk vs. destination. He can tell them "No guarantee" and pull a KP. Lowers his value but he does not commit to who trades for him. BTW, low starphuch probability here but you have to have trade assets and cap space to even be in the conversation. We might get there.
3. Mitch is a bit "ShakY" but it looksl ike they are asking him to do more. THis is a big key.
4. Who we draft this spring. Best player might be PG, center, PF. Who knows. Excess either expires are is traded. Now the rebuild starts to mount. Tear down, youth, asset accumulaton and then you start with asset consolidation. This is the fun part. Boston had some nice teasers the last few years. Crowder and Isiah, Then used them for Kyrie Trade.....Etc. Philly got Jimmy Butler.
5. Barrett looks like Gordan Haywoodish. Good passer, can play three positions. Gordon was a better shooter younger but became a better Finisher as he filled out. Kid is big now. He lost two seasons and just beginning to return to form. Both are complete players. Barrett is going to be good. RJ build is very different than 19 year old Haywood was. The trajecotry is said is current snapshot, not where I think Barrett will be.
6. We have all our picks plus Dallas's. Excess assets. Someone will come a knocking.
7. For this seaosn I'd like to see DSjr finish strong and Frank establish his position as our best PG. I like RJ long term at the 2 or three. Elite 3's can play either and it don't matter. WE draft a Trae Young/Morant type with upside thats fine. Dennis likley gets made gone and until Frank shows much more on offense he either becomes that dudes wingman or good solid player off the bench.
8. Winning.

The Dallas picks will be in the low 20's. Doncic is very good he will have that team in the top 5 in the West

You think he will by next year ? That seems like a lot considering KP needs to prove capable of playing a full season and there isn’t much else on the roster other than complimentary players.