SupremeCommander wrote:in the offseason I compared this team to that ****squad Scott Layden put together and the angry mob came with torches... we have 'a lot of depth' like we did then because ultimately we signed a bunch of bench players. Julius Randle can play but as the face of the operation?

The only thing that matters is how RJ, Knox, and whoever else grow. Fiz has not produced but I think the only thing that matters is how the kids play and hopefully that is how he gets evaluated by the FO. We need to figure out how to get more picks and draft well.

Interesting analogy. The year before Isiah came and starphuched the team into the epic $119mm payroll which exceeded any other by over 40% and produced an epic lack of wins considering the bloated salary and ensuing taxes. ESPN should do an 30-30 show as that team win per dollar might be the worst team in professional sports history. Its one thing to suck, its another to do with a payroll that not defies the mean average for the league, but as mentioned blows the 2nd highest by that margin!

What Isiah had was our picks and cap space but did not have much in tradable assets. Which is why he leveraged the payroll. He took back talented players they had god awful contracts. Had Isiah just let some of them fall off the books and drafted in a longer rebuild it would have taken time but he might have established something worth while. Impatience after the McDyess debacle was not a good formula.
Blame Isiah? Blame Dolan? Blame Knicks. It was what it was.

Today we have blue chip prospects, very flexible contracts and the Second lowest payroll. That a dime won't get you a cup of coffee but patience will. Some might have had us blow big money Tobias Harris or MIddleton. I have heard CP3 name floated around.
There is no quick fix for this. We should keep on doing what we are doing until such time we have suplus players teams want, and we have the ability to take back salary based on merit and talent to what we need and want. Stay away from Blake Griffith.
We stayed away from Jabari Parker. We still have noah but we hold no ignorant contracts.
Praise for the process? Blame for the Process? Its the Knicks current state. Its painful but with a purpose.

There are things Fizdale csn control, like trying to get a P&R game going, screens not only to free up a player, but to also wear out the D. DSJr and Frank got 2 quick fouls in that game against ATL, running through screens. We should be doing that to other teams. Confident all our PGs know how to use picks, if they are properly set.

Not interested in seeing Fizdale fired, way too soon. If we are watching the same issues play out late in the second half of the season, lack of teamwork (not the W-L record) then I hope Mike Miller gets a shot. Did wonders in G-league.

Nalod wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:in the offseason I compared this team to that ****squad Scott Layden put together and the angry mob came with torches... we have 'a lot of depth' like we did then because ultimately we signed a bunch of bench players. Julius Randle can play but as the face of the operation?

The only thing that matters is how RJ, Knox, and whoever else grow. Fiz has not produced but I think the only thing that matters is how the kids play and hopefully that is how he gets evaluated by the FO. We need to figure out how to get more picks and draft well.

Interesting analogy. The year before Isiah came and starphuched the team into the epic $119mm payroll which exceeded any other by over 40% and produced an epic lack of wins considering the bloated salary and ensuing taxes. ESPN should do an 30-30 show as that team win per dollar might be the worst team in professional sports history. Its one thing to suck, its another to do with a payroll that not defies the mean average for the league, but as mentioned blows the 2nd highest by that margin!

What Isiah had was our picks and cap space but did not have much in tradable assets. Which is why he leveraged the payroll. He took back talented players they had god awful contracts. Had Isiah just let some of them fall off the books and drafted in a longer rebuild it would have taken time but he might have established something worth while. Impatience after the McDyess debacle was not a good formula.
Blame Isiah? Blame Dolan? Blame Knicks. It was what it was.

Today we have blue chip prospects, very flexible contracts and the Second lowest payroll. That a dime won't get you a cup of coffee but patience will. Some might have had us blow big money Tobias Harris or MIddleton. I have heard CP3 name floated around.
There is no quick fix for this. We should keep on doing what we are doing until such time we have suplus players teams want, and we have the ability to take back salary based on merit and talent to what we need and want. Stay away from Blake Griffith.
We stayed away from Jabari Parker. We still have noah but we hold no ignorant contracts.
Praise for the process? Blame for the Process? Its the Knicks current state. Its painful but with a purpose.

We have tried getting big time FA here with max salary cap space, twice, and it has not gotten us anybody worth getting. We aren't getting any big time free agents period. We need to grow our own. We need to see what we have in RJ, Knox, Frank, DSJr, Mitch, Dotson, Trier, Iggy and go from there. Playing the vets a lot of minutes will not help us. They should be supporting the youngins and not taking their PT away. We should have 1 or 2 vets on the floor at a time and that's it. Having 3-4 of the youngins playing at all time will fast forward their development.

If you play Morris and Randle together then you can't have Payton, Ellington and Portis with them. Two at a time and let the youngins get their burn.