NYKBocker wrote:I think Fizdale's agenda in not starting Frank is that if he starts Frank and he does well then it will be harder for him to relegate him back to the bench or out of rotation. He wants to have DSJr as the starting PG by hook or by crook. Not starting Frank, when he is the only true PG available, because he wants to protect him from foul trouble is downright ridiculous and reeks of stupidity.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

martin wrote:Vmart-fishmike is the new 1248-Nalod

True, ive noticed that although i think its nastier lol

Fish and I passionate about the Knicks. We disagree with our thoughts but I have nothing but respect for him.

Chandler wrote:

martin wrote:Felt like the biggest hole in the Knicks player rotation was someone who could just break his man down, get into the middle of the court, and go from there, either further to rim or kickout.

Trier must have pissed off the coaching staff something good

Agree re Trier

One of the issues with the hole you mention is if we don't have a couple of guys on the court who can reliably knock down open looks the Magic and every other team will sag off and crowd the lane, making the drive and dish really tough

Also our lack of length had us gang rebounding, which is generally a good thing, but the Magic were prepared for it. They realized that they could run on defensive rebounds and 4 or 5 of our guys would need to sprint full court leading to a disorganized defense

If Fizz wanted my advice, it would be to make sure to have at least one or two guys who can reliably space floor. And he needs to play more guys and everyone needs to play hard. Our depth is our biggest asset. Playing halfcourt ISO slow down ball plays to our weakness. It lets the other team rest. We need everyone running and pressing and when tired they sit. Iggy and Trier are not that much worse than the guys playing, arguably better in some respects (e.g., ability to hit shots).

and regarding fast breaks (not your point but others), where is the rule that a pg has to lead the fast break. That has a nice ring to it, but it's not why we didn't have any fast breaks

Exactly on fastbreaks. It's not just about the PG. You need people running the wings for a pass ahead for the fastbreak. Everybody thinks a fastbreak has to be like the LA Showtime where Magic leads the way. The Boston Celtics of the 80s had a wonderful fastbreak. They filled the wings and passed ahead with a trailer.

NYKBocker wrote:

Chandler wrote:

martin wrote:Felt like the biggest hole in the Knicks player rotation was someone who could just break his man down, get into the middle of the court, and go from there, either further to rim or kickout.

Trier must have pissed off the coaching staff something good

Agree re Trier

One of the issues with the hole you mention is if we don't have a couple of guys on the court who can reliably knock down open looks the Magic and every other team will sag off and crowd the lane, making the drive and dish really tough

Also our lack of length had us gang rebounding, which is generally a good thing, but the Magic were prepared for it. They realized that they could run on defensive rebounds and 4 or 5 of our guys would need to sprint full court leading to a disorganized defense

If Fizz wanted my advice, it would be to make sure to have at least one or two guys who can reliably space floor. And he needs to play more guys and everyone needs to play hard. Our depth is our biggest asset. Playing halfcourt ISO slow down ball plays to our weakness. It lets the other team rest. We need everyone running and pressing and when tired they sit. Iggy and Trier are not that much worse than the guys playing, arguably better in some respects (e.g., ability to hit shots).

and regarding fast breaks (not your point but others), where is the rule that a pg has to lead the fast break. That has a nice ring to it, but it's not why we didn't have any fast breaks

Exactly on fastbreaks. It's not just about the PG. You need people running the wings for a pass ahead for the fastbreak. Everybody thinks a fastbreak has to be like the LA Showtime where Magic leads the way. The Boston Celtics of the 80s had a wonderful fastbreak. They filled the wings and passed ahead with a trailer.

NYKBocker wrote:

Chandler wrote:

martin wrote:Felt like the biggest hole in the Knicks player rotation was someone who could just break his man down, get into the middle of the court, and go from there, either further to rim or kickout.

Trier must have pissed off the coaching staff something good

Agree re Trier

One of the issues with the hole you mention is if we don't have a couple of guys on the court who can reliably knock down open looks the Magic and every other team will sag off and crowd the lane, making the drive and dish really tough

Also our lack of length had us gang rebounding, which is generally a good thing, but the Magic were prepared for it. They realized that they could run on defensive rebounds and 4 or 5 of our guys would need to sprint full court leading to a disorganized defense

If Fizz wanted my advice, it would be to make sure to have at least one or two guys who can reliably space floor. And he needs to play more guys and everyone needs to play hard. Our depth is our biggest asset. Playing halfcourt ISO slow down ball plays to our weakness. It lets the other team rest. We need everyone running and pressing and when tired they sit. Iggy and Trier are not that much worse than the guys playing, arguably better in some respects (e.g., ability to hit shots).

and regarding fast breaks (not your point but others), where is the rule that a pg has to lead the fast break. That has a nice ring to it, but it's not why we didn't have any fast breaks

Exactly on fastbreaks. It's not just about the PG. You need people running the wings for a pass ahead for the fastbreak. Everybody thinks a fastbreak has to be like the LA Showtime where Magic leads the way. The Boston Celtics of the 80s had a wonderful fastbreak. They filled the wings and passed ahead with a trailer.

Hi you can go back even earlier with the Celts to Heinsohn days. They had a rule that even on a made backet the ball should not hit the ground. A celt was supposed to catch the ball in the air after it went through the net so they could even run on made baskets that much faster.

and you don't need a guard to lead the break. It's nice too for sure, but if the guy who grabs the rebound can handle the ball (i.e., not Enes Kanter) you rebound and run. there will be mismatches or as you say even a trailer for a walk up 3

i'd have all 12 guys get burn. They're not that far apart talent wise. Also I would be a bit worried about RJ's usage rate or he's going to hit a major wall

fishmike wrote:

martin wrote:Felt like the biggest hole in the Knicks player rotation was someone who could just break his man down, get into the middle of the court, and go from there, either further to rim or kickout.

Trier must have pissed off the coaching staff something good

thats the PG's job no? Also that is the one skill Elf really brings and he's played very poorly. DSjr was hopefully that guy but seemed happier taking long 2s and step back jumpers than attacking the rim. This is why our bigs are barreling into guys trying to make stuff happen.

This is the coaches problem to fix and pretty predictable if you think about it. Biggest question mark into the season was going to be PG play. Guess what? Offense is really struggling with non existent PG play.

I think where fans vary is some like to place instant blame on Fizdale and start labeling him. Others see the roster flaws. Some see it in the middle. Me personally I am in the middle. Its a roster problem for sure, and I dont see a quick fix but there is a gradual one and that is coaching. While we have shortcomings for sure there are parts to work with. I expect considerable improvements after 10,20 and 30 games. I am not a Fizdale fan for a few reasons but the guy should get his chance to get this group playing well. I dont know how you can follow this league, see this Knicks roster and be like "coach sucks." He may or may not but not after 1-4 with all losses vs. playoff teams from last year. Knicks have a lot to figure out.

Very pragmatic approach

But food for thought: the team is constructed with a lot of one year rentals. As soon as (and IF) fizz figures this out, we'll be thinking about a new roster next year with lots of new faces. Not sure if FO thought about that. Their cap flexibility in turn leads to a lack of team cohesion and growth. we're going to see a repeat next year

Water under the bridge, and putting aside the KP issue, when plan KD/KI deteriorated, they should have rebooted and used their cap space to absorb contracts. Of course that would have looked a little weird since part of plan KP was to dump bad contracts, but we would have been in better position for next year when all our young guys/future were that much further along

NYKBocker wrote:

Chandler wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

Chandler wrote:

martin wrote:Felt like the biggest hole in the Knicks player rotation was someone who could just break his man down, get into the middle of the court, and go from there, either further to rim or kickout.

Trier must have pissed off the coaching staff something good

Agree re Trier

One of the issues with the hole you mention is if we don't have a couple of guys on the court who can reliably knock down open looks the Magic and every other team will sag off and crowd the lane, making the drive and dish really tough

Also our lack of length had us gang rebounding, which is generally a good thing, but the Magic were prepared for it. They realized that they could run on defensive rebounds and 4 or 5 of our guys would need to sprint full court leading to a disorganized defense

If Fizz wanted my advice, it would be to make sure to have at least one or two guys who can reliably space floor. And he needs to play more guys and everyone needs to play hard. Our depth is our biggest asset. Playing halfcourt ISO slow down ball plays to our weakness. It lets the other team rest. We need everyone running and pressing and when tired they sit. Iggy and Trier are not that much worse than the guys playing, arguably better in some respects (e.g., ability to hit shots).

and regarding fast breaks (not your point but others), where is the rule that a pg has to lead the fast break. That has a nice ring to it, but it's not why we didn't have any fast breaks

Exactly on fastbreaks. It's not just about the PG. You need people running the wings for a pass ahead for the fastbreak. Everybody thinks a fastbreak has to be like the LA Showtime where Magic leads the way. The Boston Celtics of the 80s had a wonderful fastbreak. They filled the wings and passed ahead with a trailer.

Hi you can go back even earlier with the Celts to Heinsohn days. They had a rule that even on a made backet the ball should not hit the ground. A celt was supposed to catch the ball in the air after it went through the net so they could even run on made baskets that much faster.

and you don't need a guard to lead the break. It's nice too for sure, but if the guy who grabs the rebound can handle the ball (i.e., not Enes Kanter) you rebound and run. there will be mismatches or as you say even a trailer for a walk up 3

i'd have all 12 guys get burn. They're not that far apart talent wise. Also I would be a bit worried about RJ's usage rate or he's going to hit a major wall

Dude. We are showing our age.

I'm glad you said "Dude". I feel old when people call me "Sir" or "Mr"

Another little Celtics bit. When they felt their team had the advantage running, they used older looser nets so the ball would fall through faster, and when the opposite they used new nets where the ball hangs a bit. Not sure if that's still legal. But when i heard it i was like "Is that desipicable, or genius, or both". You could carry it further to newer or older rims to affect longer rebounds on 3 point attempts

they also always used to have heating and shower problems in the visiting locker room. I think that has been rectified thought

And urban legend has it that back in the day there were particular parquet panels which were more dead than others, interrupting an even bounce of the ball. SOmething hometeam would know/remember but a visitor could forget. Could lead to another TO or two in a game.

Knicks are too busy building, and rebuilding, rosters to think of nasty **** like this.

Chandler wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

Chandler wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

Chandler wrote:

martin wrote:Felt like the biggest hole in the Knicks player rotation was someone who could just break his man down, get into the middle of the court, and go from there, either further to rim or kickout.

Trier must have pissed off the coaching staff something good

Agree re Trier

One of the issues with the hole you mention is if we don't have a couple of guys on the court who can reliably knock down open looks the Magic and every other team will sag off and crowd the lane, making the drive and dish really tough

Also our lack of length had us gang rebounding, which is generally a good thing, but the Magic were prepared for it. They realized that they could run on defensive rebounds and 4 or 5 of our guys would need to sprint full court leading to a disorganized defense

If Fizz wanted my advice, it would be to make sure to have at least one or two guys who can reliably space floor. And he needs to play more guys and everyone needs to play hard. Our depth is our biggest asset. Playing halfcourt ISO slow down ball plays to our weakness. It lets the other team rest. We need everyone running and pressing and when tired they sit. Iggy and Trier are not that much worse than the guys playing, arguably better in some respects (e.g., ability to hit shots).

and regarding fast breaks (not your point but others), where is the rule that a pg has to lead the fast break. That has a nice ring to it, but it's not why we didn't have any fast breaks

Exactly on fastbreaks. It's not just about the PG. You need people running the wings for a pass ahead for the fastbreak. Everybody thinks a fastbreak has to be like the LA Showtime where Magic leads the way. The Boston Celtics of the 80s had a wonderful fastbreak. They filled the wings and passed ahead with a trailer.

Hi you can go back even earlier with the Celts to Heinsohn days. They had a rule that even on a made backet the ball should not hit the ground. A celt was supposed to catch the ball in the air after it went through the net so they could even run on made baskets that much faster.

and you don't need a guard to lead the break. It's nice too for sure, but if the guy who grabs the rebound can handle the ball (i.e., not Enes Kanter) you rebound and run. there will be mismatches or as you say even a trailer for a walk up 3

i'd have all 12 guys get burn. They're not that far apart talent wise. Also I would be a bit worried about RJ's usage rate or he's going to hit a major wall

Dude. We are showing our age.

I'm glad you said "Dude". I feel old when people call me "Sir" or "Mr"

Another little Celtics bit. When they felt their team had the advantage running, they used older looser nets so the ball would fall through faster, and when the opposite they used new nets where the ball hangs a bit. Not sure if that's still legal. But when i heard it i was like "Is that desipicable, or genius, or both". You could carry it further to newer or older rims to affect longer rebounds on 3 point attempts

they also always used to have heating and shower problems in the visiting locker room. I think that has been rectified thought

And urban legend has it that back in the day there were particular parquet panels which were more dead than others, interrupting an even bounce of the ball. SOmething hometeam would know/remember but a visitor could forget. Could lead to another TO or two in a game.

Knicks are too busy building, and rebuilding, rosters to think of nasty **** like this.

NYKBocker wrote:

Chandler wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

Chandler wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

Chandler wrote:

martin wrote:Felt like the biggest hole in the Knicks player rotation was someone who could just break his man down, get into the middle of the court, and go from there, either further to rim or kickout.

Trier must have pissed off the coaching staff something good

Agree re Trier

One of the issues with the hole you mention is if we don't have a couple of guys on the court who can reliably knock down open looks the Magic and every other team will sag off and crowd the lane, making the drive and dish really tough

Also our lack of length had us gang rebounding, which is generally a good thing, but the Magic were prepared for it. They realized that they could run on defensive rebounds and 4 or 5 of our guys would need to sprint full court leading to a disorganized defense

If Fizz wanted my advice, it would be to make sure to have at least one or two guys who can reliably space floor. And he needs to play more guys and everyone needs to play hard. Our depth is our biggest asset. Playing halfcourt ISO slow down ball plays to our weakness. It lets the other team rest. We need everyone running and pressing and when tired they sit. Iggy and Trier are not that much worse than the guys playing, arguably better in some respects (e.g., ability to hit shots).

and regarding fast breaks (not your point but others), where is the rule that a pg has to lead the fast break. That has a nice ring to it, but it's not why we didn't have any fast breaks

Exactly on fastbreaks. It's not just about the PG. You need people running the wings for a pass ahead for the fastbreak. Everybody thinks a fastbreak has to be like the LA Showtime where Magic leads the way. The Boston Celtics of the 80s had a wonderful fastbreak. They filled the wings and passed ahead with a trailer.

Hi you can go back even earlier with the Celts to Heinsohn days. They had a rule that even on a made backet the ball should not hit the ground. A celt was supposed to catch the ball in the air after it went through the net so they could even run on made baskets that much faster.

and you don't need a guard to lead the break. It's nice too for sure, but if the guy who grabs the rebound can handle the ball (i.e., not Enes Kanter) you rebound and run. there will be mismatches or as you say even a trailer for a walk up 3

i'd have all 12 guys get burn. They're not that far apart talent wise. Also I would be a bit worried about RJ's usage rate or he's going to hit a major wall

Dude. We are showing our age.

I'm glad you said "Dude". I feel old when people call me "Sir" or "Mr"

Another little Celtics bit. When they felt their team had the advantage running, they used older looser nets so the ball would fall through faster, and when the opposite they used new nets where the ball hangs a bit. Not sure if that's still legal. But when i heard it i was like "Is that desipicable, or genius, or both". You could carry it further to newer or older rims to affect longer rebounds on 3 point attempts

they also always used to have heating and shower problems in the visiting locker room. I think that has been rectified thought

And urban legend has it that back in the day there were particular parquet panels which were more dead than others, interrupting an even bounce of the ball. SOmething hometeam would know/remember but a visitor could forget. Could lead to another TO or two in a game.

Knicks are too busy building, and rebuilding, rosters to think of nasty **** like this.

Yup. I remember all those leprechaun tricks. Very similar to the old giants stadium when the gates magically opened when the opposing team was attempting a fg 😁

I didn't know that (bold)

I'm a jets fan. The opponent always scores TDs so we don't need that trick, I guess