anrst wrote:he mighta had some open looks if julius ever looked to kick out from the quadruple teams

to be fair he did in the clutch a bunch of times

fwk00 wrote:The comments that follow the original post appear to have gone unread. Too bad.

This quote is gold:

Frank is going to struggle to shoot. But, if you put him in a lineup with two elite roll men (Mitch and Randle), an elite shooter (Wayne), and a good off-ball mover (RJ), the Knicks offense will improve dramatically. Because Frank can hit every most PnR passes in his sleep.

Just one piece of the puzzle for this team.

At 19, Frank has made dramatic progress as the thread acknowledges. It pays off big for the team offense and the PnR system.

The progress is empirical evidence that he's not floating downstream. He's learner.

Over time each and every PG we have will get profiled for their strength with other personnel - and things always change.

But this stuff is what hope for this season looks like.

Frank has elite level ability to shut down opposing perimeter players. He showed flashes of it his first 2 season and has now developed his ability to elite level that highly impacts games. Need him to keep building on that though as he has the potential to be a top level role player if he can get his shots to fall at an efficient rate.

I think he would greatly benefit from playing behind and with a high level PG that can break down defenses as much as everyone else would.

newyorknewyork wrote:

fwk00 wrote:The comments that follow the original post appear to have gone unread. Too bad.

This quote is gold:

Frank is going to struggle to shoot. But, if you put him in a lineup with two elite roll men (Mitch and Randle), an elite shooter (Wayne), and a good off-ball mover (RJ), the Knicks offense will improve dramatically. Because Frank can hit every most PnR passes in his sleep.

Just one piece of the puzzle for this team.

At 19, Frank has made dramatic progress as the thread acknowledges. It pays off big for the team offense and the PnR system.

The progress is empirical evidence that he's not floating downstream. He's learner.

Over time each and every PG we have will get profiled for their strength with other personnel - and things always change.

But this stuff is what hope for this season looks like.

Frank has elite level ability to shut down opposing perimeter players. He showed flashes of it his first 2 season and has now developed his ability to elite level that highly impacts games. Need him to keep building on that though as he has the potential to be a top level role player if he can get his shots to fall at an efficient rate.

I think he would greatly benefit from playing behind and with a high level PG that can break down defenses as much as everyone else would.

Isn't that what the videos were showing? That despite the shooting woes he is "creating"! Isn't "creating" breaking down a defense to the benefit of others. The ball movement in those videos is what won the game. The pass that broke the defense, to the guy who drew the double, to the guy wide open. Small sample but that's this is what the euro guys do very well. Elite NBA ballers like Kyrie/curry etc can shoot long, break it down and finish. Steph curry is not that quick, he is fundamentally amazing and this quick release shot given to him by god and his father is this best tool. That shot has to be respected which gives him the edge to penetrate.
Frank is far from that. But he is breaking things down.

Knixkik wrote:The love for Ntilikina and amount of threads are unreal. How can you quantify a player who legitimately can't put the ball in the basket if he was alone in the gym but clearly makes an impact with his defense? I guess that's why there's such a debate.

yup. we've seen his impact in a number of games and REALLY saw his impact in fiba, from both the offensive and defensive ends. he's a unique asset who could turn into a major impact player - people want to see it happen here and there are concerns we'll waste that opportunity.

Nalod wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

fwk00 wrote:The comments that follow the original post appear to have gone unread. Too bad.

This quote is gold:

Frank is going to struggle to shoot. But, if you put him in a lineup with two elite roll men (Mitch and Randle), an elite shooter (Wayne), and a good off-ball mover (RJ), the Knicks offense will improve dramatically. Because Frank can hit every most PnR passes in his sleep.

Just one piece of the puzzle for this team.

At 19, Frank has made dramatic progress as the thread acknowledges. It pays off big for the team offense and the PnR system.

The progress is empirical evidence that he's not floating downstream. He's learner.

Over time each and every PG we have will get profiled for their strength with other personnel - and things always change.

But this stuff is what hope for this season looks like.

Frank has elite level ability to shut down opposing perimeter players. He showed flashes of it his first 2 season and has now developed his ability to elite level that highly impacts games. Need him to keep building on that though as he has the potential to be a top level role player if he can get his shots to fall at an efficient rate.

I think he would greatly benefit from playing behind and with a high level PG that can break down defenses as much as everyone else would.

Isn't that what the videos were showing? That despite the shooting woes he is "creating"! Isn't "creating" breaking down a defense to the benefit of others. The ball movement in those videos is what won the game. The pass that broke the defense, to the guy who drew the double, to the guy wide open. Small sample but that's this is what the euro guys do very well. Elite NBA ballers like Kyrie/curry etc can shoot long, break it down and finish. Steph curry is not that quick, he is fundamentally amazing and this quick release shot given to him by god and his father is this best tool. That shot has to be respected which gives him the edge to penetrate.
Frank is far from that. But he is breaking things down.

You can never have enough guys who can create for others. Frank has his strength and weaknesses. I am saying netting a compliment to that should be in the cards. Frank's offensive game is reliant on feeding the ball to others and getting his offense off others feeding him in return for the most part. So playing with multiple playmakers who move the ball is ideal with him as shown with France.

Frank also gets the ball out of his hands quick where his teammates still have to work somewhat to finish. Which is different than him breaking a defense all the way down where the guy is just finishing with a dunk or an open 3. Though he has displayed this ability from time to time.

Frank over the years can possibly develop this to a higher level once he becomes a seasoned vet, but you want that to be icing instead of depend the offense on him doing so.

Marv wrote:

Knixkik wrote:The love for Ntilikina and amount of threads are unreal. How can you quantify a player who legitimately can't put the ball in the basket if he was alone in the gym but clearly makes an impact with his defense? I guess that's why there's such a debate.

yup. we've seen his impact in a number of games and REALLY saw his impact in fiba, from both the offensive and defensive ends. he's a unique asset who could turn into a major impact player - people want to see it happen here and there are concerns we'll waste that opportunity.

Frank has a great chance coming up to cement his role here. Hopefully he even starts tonight (no Elf, no DS). Best thing Frank has going for him is RJ who's dynamic two way game can really help cover what Frank is lacking now. He's got to hit some shots tho... fingers crossed. Good PG play will turn this around very quickly

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Knixkik wrote:The love for Ntilikina and amount of threads are unreal. How can you quantify a player who legitimately can't put the ball in the basket if he was alone in the gym but clearly makes an impact with his defense? I guess that's why there's such a debate.

More than anything he plays a winning brand of basketball. Puts team ahead of personal goals. It’s no wonder when he plays the team just does better.

you sound like a Trump add. Lets just skip any facts and hammer home your point. Everyone here except you is rooting for the team to play better and get better (you only root for Frank & place endless blame for all his shortcomings on the Knicks).

So far... they have not played better despite your propaganda. As great as you think Frank played vs. the Bulls, and how much better you think the TEAM played with Frank vs. the Bulls the #s dont lie and btw... I was there. Knicks were -4 with Elf and -3 with Frank. Know when the Knicks were plus? When Fizdale put Barret at PG and Ellington at SG. That is what turned the game around. Frank was great in his role as a defensive player and Fizdale did some in/out late in the game.

There is a big gap between defensive bench specialist and NBA starting PG but I am hoping as much as everyone.

You sound like a Trump supporter. Publicly despise yet secretly support. Yet with Frank you public ally support but secretly despise. You can’t even compliment Frank for playing a part in winning. Yet when you do compliment it come with a back handed slap.

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:The love for Ntilikina and amount of threads are unreal. How can you quantify a player who legitimately can't put the ball in the basket if he was alone in the gym but clearly makes an impact with his defense? I guess that's why there's such a debate.

Every thread involves Frank, mind as well call him RUDY..RUDY...RUDY

The guy with the least amount of impact is the most talked about, if he has a deflection there's thread started, if he steals the ball, he's DOY candidate, if he shoots 2 fo 100, his offense will come later, if takes 2 free throws in 10 games, he doesn't get the calls, if he makes a couple of stops on Kyrie or Kemba, he's now a the best perimeter defender in the league, so what he can't shoot, thats not important now, we have enough scorers, he can end the game with a plus minus of - 20, and that gets disregarded(only when it comes to him) as a stupid stat that doesn't tell the whole story

There has been an excuses for everyone of his flaws, there have been posters that wouldn't trade him for anybody, and are willing to patient for however long it takes.

let that be a lesson to you. a positive approach gets you a lot of support in this world.

knicks1248 wrote:

Marv wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:The love for Ntilikina and amount of threads are unreal. How can you quantify a player who legitimately can't put the ball in the basket if he was alone in the gym but clearly makes an impact with his defense? I guess that's why there's such a debate.

Every thread involves Frank, mind as well call him RUDY..RUDY...RUDY

The guy with the least amount of impact is the most talked about, if he has a deflection there's thread started, if he steals the ball, he's DOY candidate, if he shoots 2 fo 100, his offense will come later, if takes 2 free throws in 10 games, he doesn't get the calls, if he makes a couple of stops on Kyrie or Kemba, he's now a the best perimeter defender in the league, so what he can't shoot, thats not important now, we have enough scorers, he can end the game with a plus minus of - 20, and that gets disregarded(only when it comes to him) as a stupid stat that doesn't tell the whole story

There has been an excuses for everyone of his flaws, there have been posters that wouldn't trade him for anybody, and are willing to patient for however long it takes.

let that be a lesson to you. a positive approach gets you a lot of support in this world.

You should have the same respect and approach for every player on the roster

good lord. lightening up a little might prove beneficial. try it sometime . . .?

Marv wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Marv wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:The love for Ntilikina and amount of threads are unreal. How can you quantify a player who legitimately can't put the ball in the basket if he was alone in the gym but clearly makes an impact with his defense? I guess that's why there's such a debate.

Every thread involves Frank, mind as well call him RUDY..RUDY...RUDY

The guy with the least amount of impact is the most talked about, if he has a deflection there's thread started, if he steals the ball, he's DOY candidate, if he shoots 2 fo 100, his offense will come later, if takes 2 free throws in 10 games, he doesn't get the calls, if he makes a couple of stops on Kyrie or Kemba, he's now a the best perimeter defender in the league, so what he can't shoot, thats not important now, we have enough scorers, he can end the game with a plus minus of - 20, and that gets disregarded(only when it comes to him) as a stupid stat that doesn't tell the whole story

There has been an excuses for everyone of his flaws, there have been posters that wouldn't trade him for anybody, and are willing to patient for however long it takes.

let that be a lesson to you. a positive approach gets you a lot of support in this world.

You should have the same respect and approach for every player on the roster

good lord. lightening up a little might prove beneficial. try it sometime . . .?

The rainman is in my head when Frank plays. I admit it.
When frank is playing its like The knicks are playing 5 players against 6.
The 6th is Knicks"TheRainman"1248
!
There was a wide open three in the last part of the Chicago game after frank made a good defensive play and he could have put the game away right there. The Garden (Am I wrong here Fish?) was about to erupt if he hit it. In the back of my head "oh man, he not just hits that shot, he is shooting against knicks1248!!!!

In my head. Nalod is afflicted.