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10/29/2019  10:47 AM
Uptown wrote:Frank had some good moments on the defensive end...The run started with him on the bench, then he came back in and played his part. Some of you guys are overstating his impact but thats expected from some of you. At this point, Frank is a defensive specialist off the bench. Nothing wrong with that role as most teams need players like that. Still tons of work needs to be done on the offensive end as he finished with 3 turnovers and was 0-6 from the field.

I would love for the Knicks to move Payton at the deadline and allow Dennis and Frank to run the show....

Minus him missing the open 3s. I would take the same game from Frank day after day.

His defense is elite. Bulls guards in Lavine-White-Dunn-Satoranski weren't able to take over the game. Same difference we saw vs Tre Young in ATL. Portis and Randle aren't rim protectors. Frank & Barrett defensively do a great job of keeping them clean. Where they can focus mostly on rebounding shots rather than contesting layups off penetration.

Offensively while his shot didn't fall, the offense didn't stagnate. Fizz rotated more shooters in with Ellington and Knox allowing Barrett to get the spacing to go in attack mode basically acting as a lead guard. This in turn protected Frank from having to man those responsibilities. Even with Franks misses Bulls still allowed the Knicks to get the spacing it needed. Then Randle started getting his ish together off the short roll witht he passes.

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10/29/2019  11:25 AM
Uptown wrote:Frank had some good moments on the defensive end...The run started with him on the bench, then he came back in and played his part. Some of you guys are overstating his impact but thats expected from some of you. At this point, Frank is a defensive specialist off the bench. Nothing wrong with that role as most teams need players like that. Still tons of work needs to be done on the offensive end as he finished with 3 turnovers and was 0-6 from the field.

I would love for the Knicks to move Payton at the deadline and allow Dennis and Frank to run the show....

this is EXACTLY what Frank is right now, and I am as big a Frank homer as anyone except vmart but we wont go there.

Frank's defense WAS great. Like Kyrie burning us late the guy who was dangerous was Zach and Frank was drapped all over him late. Frank's defense only stood up because others around him made the shots he missed. He missed one open look, long rebound is tipped out to Knox who buries it. Frank was high fiving him like Frank was the guy who's error didnt hurt the team because of an inning saving catch by Knox... it was cute. Glad he got into the game and did was he does best and it helped us win the game. Sounds like from Fizdale's comments that Frank is "next up" so it looks like he's gonna get some burn

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10/29/2019  11:33 AM
Nalod wrote:IF Fiz is true to the defense gives you playing time then it might be why Trier did not play last night.
If Trier is doing his thing but can’t see the double coming or sees it too late the flow/Rhythm is done.
Its not hard to understand that the key to GSW high octane offense the last few years was fueled by defense and finished by talent.
Frank cuts off passing lanes that cause turnovers. Its subtle. It breaks the other teams flow. We love Blocked shots and outright “stops” but good defense by the team is also achieved in other ways. I’ll point to the “Heatles” and it was not until Lebron and company lost in the finals did they succumb to Spolestra’s team defense. That fueled the tempo. When Lebron resisted and wanted Riley to take over it was Riles that said “No”. Riles backed up Spo. Fiz was part of that coaching staff. He understands this. Can he teach it? Can he get an young deep team whose best player is 19 years old to lead? Its going to take time.
Frank could be part of a winning formula. Frank has to hit his shots. Trier needs to play defense/pass. Dennis needs to improve physically then he can be Dwade when he grows up.
Knicks might do well to seek a trade to reduce its logjam.

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10/29/2019  12:03 PM
Ask Zach Lavine and Coby White if they were happy seeing Frank come in the game last night

Ask Kemba if he was glad to see Frank on the bench

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10/29/2019  12:10 PM
fishmike wrote:
Uptown wrote:Frank had some good moments on the defensive end...The run started with him on the bench, then he came back in and played his part. Some of you guys are overstating his impact but thats expected from some of you. At this point, Frank is a defensive specialist off the bench. Nothing wrong with that role as most teams need players like that. Still tons of work needs to be done on the offensive end as he finished with 3 turnovers and was 0-6 from the field.

I would love for the Knicks to move Payton at the deadline and allow Dennis and Frank to run the show....

this is EXACTLY what Frank is right now, and I am as big a Frank homer as anyone except vmart but we wont go there.

Frank's defense WAS great. Like Kyrie burning us late the guy who was dangerous was Zach and Frank was drapped all over him late. Frank's defense only stood up because others around him made the shots he missed. He missed one open look, long rebound is tipped out to Knox who buries it. Frank was high fiving him like Frank was the guy who's error didnt hurt the team because of an inning saving catch by Knox... it was cute. Glad he got into the game and did was he does best and it helped us win the game. Sounds like from Fizdale's comments that Frank is "next up" so it looks like he's gonna get some burn

I don’t know how you guys expect a player to score right off the bat after getting such inconsistent playing time. Before last night he played 3 minutes of game time. He didn’t even play in the last preseason game. His shooting will come with a more consistent role and playing time. Real time action is so different from practice.

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10/29/2019  12:18 PM
Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Uptown wrote:Frank had some good moments on the defensive end...The run started with him on the bench, then he came back in and played his part. Some of you guys are overstating his impact but thats expected from some of you. At this point, Frank is a defensive specialist off the bench. Nothing wrong with that role as most teams need players like that. Still tons of work needs to be done on the offensive end as he finished with 3 turnovers and was 0-6 from the field.

I would love for the Knicks to move Payton at the deadline and allow Dennis and Frank to run the show....

this is EXACTLY what Frank is right now, and I am as big a Frank homer as anyone except vmart but we wont go there.

Frank's defense WAS great. Like Kyrie burning us late the guy who was dangerous was Zach and Frank was drapped all over him late. Frank's defense only stood up because others around him made the shots he missed. He missed one open look, long rebound is tipped out to Knox who buries it. Frank was high fiving him like Frank was the guy who's error didnt hurt the team because of an inning saving catch by Knox... it was cute. Glad he got into the game and did was he does best and it helped us win the game. Sounds like from Fizdale's comments that Frank is "next up" so it looks like he's gonna get some burn

I don’t know how you guys expect a player to score right off the bat after getting such inconsistent playing time. Before last night he played 3 minutes of game time. He didn’t even play in the last preseason game. His shooting will come with a more consistent role and playing time. Real time action is so different from practice.

I expect basketball players to play basketball.
His shooting will come with a more consistent role and playing time.
Same for DSjr and Elf right? What are you basing that off of? Hope?
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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10/29/2019  12:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/29/2019  12:31 PM
Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Uptown wrote:Frank had some good moments on the defensive end...The run started with him on the bench, then he came back in and played his part. Some of you guys are overstating his impact but thats expected from some of you. At this point, Frank is a defensive specialist off the bench. Nothing wrong with that role as most teams need players like that. Still tons of work needs to be done on the offensive end as he finished with 3 turnovers and was 0-6 from the field.

I would love for the Knicks to move Payton at the deadline and allow Dennis and Frank to run the show....

this is EXACTLY what Frank is right now, and I am as big a Frank homer as anyone except vmart but we wont go there.

Frank's defense WAS great. Like Kyrie burning us late the guy who was dangerous was Zach and Frank was drapped all over him late. Frank's defense only stood up because others around him made the shots he missed. He missed one open look, long rebound is tipped out to Knox who buries it. Frank was high fiving him like Frank was the guy who's error didnt hurt the team because of an inning saving catch by Knox... it was cute. Glad he got into the game and did was he does best and it helped us win the game. Sounds like from Fizdale's comments that Frank is "next up" so it looks like he's gonna get some burn

I don’t know how you guys expect a player to score right off the bat after getting such inconsistent playing time. Before last night he played 3 minutes of game time. He didn’t even play in the last preseason game. His shooting will come with a more consistent role and playing time. Real time action is so different from practice.

I guess you can say the same for payton and DSJ..

If he's not consistent, then he will never have a consistent role unless there is injuries.

There's just too many option at his position.

Fiz said the other day (when asked why barrets playing so many minutes)he said Barret makes it tough for him to pull him from the game because of his play (40 mins last night)

frank doesn't make it tough for the coach to pull him..

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10/29/2019  12:23 PM
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Uptown wrote:Frank had some good moments on the defensive end...The run started with him on the bench, then he came back in and played his part. Some of you guys are overstating his impact but thats expected from some of you. At this point, Frank is a defensive specialist off the bench. Nothing wrong with that role as most teams need players like that. Still tons of work needs to be done on the offensive end as he finished with 3 turnovers and was 0-6 from the field.

I would love for the Knicks to move Payton at the deadline and allow Dennis and Frank to run the show....

this is EXACTLY what Frank is right now, and I am as big a Frank homer as anyone except vmart but we wont go there.

Frank's defense WAS great. Like Kyrie burning us late the guy who was dangerous was Zach and Frank was drapped all over him late. Frank's defense only stood up because others around him made the shots he missed. He missed one open look, long rebound is tipped out to Knox who buries it. Frank was high fiving him like Frank was the guy who's error didnt hurt the team because of an inning saving catch by Knox... it was cute. Glad he got into the game and did was he does best and it helped us win the game. Sounds like from Fizdale's comments that Frank is "next up" so it looks like he's gonna get some burn

I don’t know how you guys expect a player to score right off the bat after getting such inconsistent playing time. Before last night he played 3 minutes of game time. He didn’t even play in the last preseason game. His shooting will come with a more consistent role and playing time. Real time action is so different from practice.

I expect basketball players to play basketball.
His shooting will come with a more consistent role and playing time.
Same for DSjr and Elf right? What are you basing that off of? Hope?

Reality.

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10/29/2019  12:33 PM
Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Uptown wrote:Frank had some good moments on the defensive end...The run started with him on the bench, then he came back in and played his part. Some of you guys are overstating his impact but thats expected from some of you. At this point, Frank is a defensive specialist off the bench. Nothing wrong with that role as most teams need players like that. Still tons of work needs to be done on the offensive end as he finished with 3 turnovers and was 0-6 from the field.

I would love for the Knicks to move Payton at the deadline and allow Dennis and Frank to run the show....

this is EXACTLY what Frank is right now, and I am as big a Frank homer as anyone except vmart but we wont go there.

Frank's defense WAS great. Like Kyrie burning us late the guy who was dangerous was Zach and Frank was drapped all over him late. Frank's defense only stood up because others around him made the shots he missed. He missed one open look, long rebound is tipped out to Knox who buries it. Frank was high fiving him like Frank was the guy who's error didnt hurt the team because of an inning saving catch by Knox... it was cute. Glad he got into the game and did was he does best and it helped us win the game. Sounds like from Fizdale's comments that Frank is "next up" so it looks like he's gonna get some burn

I don’t know how you guys expect a player to score right off the bat after getting such inconsistent playing time. Before last night he played 3 minutes of game time. He didn’t even play in the last preseason game. His shooting will come with a more consistent role and playing time. Real time action is so different from practice.

I expect basketball players to play basketball.
His shooting will come with a more consistent role and playing time.
Same for DSjr and Elf right? What are you basing that off of? Hope?

Reality.

your kidding right?

ES
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10/29/2019  12:34 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Uptown wrote:Frank had some good moments on the defensive end...The run started with him on the bench, then he came back in and played his part. Some of you guys are overstating his impact but thats expected from some of you. At this point, Frank is a defensive specialist off the bench. Nothing wrong with that role as most teams need players like that. Still tons of work needs to be done on the offensive end as he finished with 3 turnovers and was 0-6 from the field.

I would love for the Knicks to move Payton at the deadline and allow Dennis and Frank to run the show....

this is EXACTLY what Frank is right now, and I am as big a Frank homer as anyone except vmart but we wont go there.

Frank's defense WAS great. Like Kyrie burning us late the guy who was dangerous was Zach and Frank was drapped all over him late. Frank's defense only stood up because others around him made the shots he missed. He missed one open look, long rebound is tipped out to Knox who buries it. Frank was high fiving him like Frank was the guy who's error didnt hurt the team because of an inning saving catch by Knox... it was cute. Glad he got into the game and did was he does best and it helped us win the game. Sounds like from Fizdale's comments that Frank is "next up" so it looks like he's gonna get some burn

I don’t know how you guys expect a player to score right off the bat after getting such inconsistent playing time. Before last night he played 3 minutes of game time. He didn’t even play in the last preseason game. His shooting will come with a more consistent role and playing time. Real time action is so different from practice.

I guess you can say the same for payton and DSJ..

If he's not consistent, then he will never have a consistent role unless there is injuries.

There's just too many option at his position

One thing I’m very certain of is that DSJ will get ample amount of opportunities as soon as he comes back. He seems to be a Perry Favorite as well as Fizdale’s. This is more about the trade than anything else.

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10/29/2019  12:39 PM
Frank is great defensive player but his offensive game his very bad and i don't know if that part of his game will ever improve to become serviceable. I wouldn't mind frank bad offensive game if the knicks had a guard like dennis schroder of the thunder. Dennis schroder would be great fit for the knicks he can score 15 points, 5 assist, shoot 43 percent from the feild and 35 percent from three point land. We know the thunder is rebuilding for future and like to get rid of all there huge contracts but schroder only makes 15,500,000 this season and next year. You do this trade with the thunder dsj ,dotson, ignaz brazdeiks amd 2023 dallas first round pick for dennis schroder.
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10/29/2019  1:07 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Uptown wrote:Frank had some good moments on the defensive end...The run started with him on the bench, then he came back in and played his part. Some of you guys are overstating his impact but thats expected from some of you. At this point, Frank is a defensive specialist off the bench. Nothing wrong with that role as most teams need players like that. Still tons of work needs to be done on the offensive end as he finished with 3 turnovers and was 0-6 from the field.

I would love for the Knicks to move Payton at the deadline and allow Dennis and Frank to run the show....

this is EXACTLY what Frank is right now, and I am as big a Frank homer as anyone except vmart but we wont go there.

Frank's defense WAS great. Like Kyrie burning us late the guy who was dangerous was Zach and Frank was drapped all over him late. Frank's defense only stood up because others around him made the shots he missed. He missed one open look, long rebound is tipped out to Knox who buries it. Frank was high fiving him like Frank was the guy who's error didnt hurt the team because of an inning saving catch by Knox... it was cute. Glad he got into the game and did was he does best and it helped us win the game. Sounds like from Fizdale's comments that Frank is "next up" so it looks like he's gonna get some burn

I don’t know how you guys expect a player to score right off the bat after getting such inconsistent playing time. Before last night he played 3 minutes of game time. He didn’t even play in the last preseason game. His shooting will come with a more consistent role and playing time. Real time action is so different from practice.

I expect basketball players to play basketball.
His shooting will come with a more consistent role and playing time.
Same for DSjr and Elf right? What are you basing that off of? Hope?

Reality.

your kidding right?


No kidding. A true point guards role is to involve teammates and keep them happy. The Knicks have plenty of scorers on the team. Teams usually thrive under pass first PGs. I don’t doubt Franks ability to score and be consistent scorer.
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10/29/2019  4:57 PM
houston20 wrote:Frank is great defensive player but his offensive game his very bad and i don't know if that part of his game will ever improve to become serviceable. I wouldn't mind frank bad offensive game if the knicks had a guard like dennis schroder of the thunder. Dennis schroder would be great fit for the knicks he can score 15 points, 5 assist, shoot 43 percent from the feild and 35 percent from three point land. We know the thunder is rebuilding for future and like to get rid of all there huge contracts but schroder only makes 15,500,000 this season and next year. You do this trade with the thunder dsj ,dotson, ignaz brazdeiks amd 2023 dallas first round pick for dennis schroder.

Whoa!!! I'd fire you just for thinking it!! LOL! Schroder is a fine player. Im not trading a first round pick unless it puts us in the playoffs into the second round. He won't.
Its not about pet favorite or having to prove the trade was good, its about His potential. It was legit last year. Bad back and all.
What is wrong now? We can guess. Then we extrapolate it into a frenzy of Mills hate and KP anger.
I suppose we'll just have to see how it plays out.

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10/29/2019  5:12 PM
Nalod wrote:
houston20 wrote:Frank is great defensive player but his offensive game his very bad and i don't know if that part of his game will ever improve to become serviceable. I wouldn't mind frank bad offensive game if the knicks had a guard like dennis schroder of the thunder. Dennis schroder would be great fit for the knicks he can score 15 points, 5 assist, shoot 43 percent from the feild and 35 percent from three point land. We know the thunder is rebuilding for future and like to get rid of all there huge contracts but schroder only makes 15,500,000 this season and next year. You do this trade with the thunder dsj ,dotson, ignaz brazdeiks amd 2023 dallas first round pick for dennis schroder.

Whoa!!! I'd fire you just for thinking it!! LOL! Schroder is a fine player. Im not trading a first round pick unless it puts us in the playoffs into the second round. He won't.
Its not about pet favorite or having to prove the trade was good, its about His potential. It was legit last year. Bad back and all.
What is wrong now? We can guess. Then we extrapolate it into a frenzy of Mills hate and KP anger.
I suppose we'll just have to see how it plays out.


Schroeder is due 15 million next year and then his deal is up. Assuming we're taking a pass this upcoming free agency, it wouldn't hurt us fiscally. That said, Schroeder's impact over his career isn't much different than Payton's. Different numbers, different styles of play. But at the end of the day...same level of player. I'm saying he's a backup on most good teams. No way you do a package like that for a player of Schroeder's caliber. What, maybe he takes us from a 25 win team to a 28 win team? If Perry likes him, and I'm hoping he doesn't, why not just sign him in free agency when we miss out on our next group of star free agency targets?
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