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GoNyGoNyGo
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10/28/2019  2:29 PM
Frank is not a 2, IMO. He is a 1. Let him play there and learn that position.
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10/28/2019  9:35 PM
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Frank is not a 2, IMO. He is a 1. Let him play there and learn that position.

No truer words have been spoken on this forum.

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10/28/2019  9:59 PM
The kid does so many things right. The offense is so close. Seems like he is on the verge if “feeling it”. Maybe wishful fanboy rooting but one can only hope.
Maybe if defense is contagious, so can offense?
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10/28/2019  10:15 PM
Nalod wrote:The kid does so many things right. The offense is so close. Seems like he is on the verge if “feeling it”. Maybe wishful fanboy rooting but one can only hope.
Maybe if defense is contagious, so can offense?

Do you really feel like the offense is close? I love everything else he does but he seems completely incapable of putting the ball in the basket.

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10/28/2019  10:18 PM
Knixkik wrote:
Nalod wrote:The kid does so many things right. The offense is so close. Seems like he is on the verge if “feeling it”. Maybe wishful fanboy rooting but one can only hope.
Maybe if defense is contagious, so can offense?

Do you really feel like the offense is close? I love everything else he does but he seems completely incapable of putting the ball in the basket.

I don’t agree. Yes his shot needs works but there were a couple that just rolled out. His shots will fall. Not saying he is ever gonna be a big offensive player but he doesn’t need to be. The ball was moving better when he was out there even when RJ was the point.
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10/28/2019  10:47 PM
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Nalod wrote:The kid does so many things right. The offense is so close. Seems like he is on the verge if “feeling it”. Maybe wishful fanboy rooting but one can only hope.
Maybe if defense is contagious, so can offense?

Do you really feel like the offense is close? I love everything else he does but he seems completely incapable of putting the ball in the basket.

I’m in the camp that players evolve and not over night. TO me basketball is a rhythm, Its music. When I played there was a song in my head. A pulse, a beat.... and when its an ensemble its a band. Frank is a team player and he has not played on many good knick lineups. The FIBA game he played in the band and he played in the flow. The kid has a nose for the ball. He has “it”. He is just finding his strength and impose his will on defense. He has the game, he just needs to impose it on offense. It will happen. Just hope knicks are patient. They are doing all the right things so far. Have not traded him (yet?). ONe can only hope.

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10/28/2019  11:04 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
Nalod wrote:The kid does so many things right. The offense is so close. Seems like he is on the verge if “feeling it”. Maybe wishful fanboy rooting but one can only hope.
Maybe if defense is contagious, so can offense?

Do you really feel like the offense is close? I love everything else he does but he seems completely incapable of putting the ball in the basket.

I don’t agree. Yes his shot needs works but there were a couple that just rolled out. His shots will fall. Not saying he is ever gonna be a big offensive player but he doesn’t need to be. The ball was moving better when he was out there even when RJ was the point.

I’ve been a Frank supporter here. I’m just saying we are in year 3 and scoring the ball is still the moon to him. He’s probably the least efficient scoring guard in the league. At some point he needs to take a step forward in that regard in order to be anything other than a situational rotation player.

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10/28/2019  11:05 PM
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Frank is not a 2, IMO. He is a 1. Let him play there and learn that position.

He can learn that position in the G-League NOT in the NBA.

I shouldn't be surprised but some on this site but...somehow, I am...what exactly has Frank Ntilikina done to warrant such praise? What exactly did I miss? Kid needs A LOT of work and the only place he is going to get it is in the G-League.

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10/28/2019  11:08 PM
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GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Frank is not a 2, IMO. He is a 1. Let him play there and learn that position.

He can learn that position in the G-League NOT in the NBA.

I shouldn't be surprised but some on this site but...somehow, I am...what exactly has Frank Ntilikina done to warrant such praise? What exactly did I miss? Kid needs A LOT of work and the only place he is going to get it is in the G-League.

Did you actually watch the game? Did you hear FIzdale after the game? Frank didn’t hit his shots but his defense was a big reason why things didn’t get out of hand and we were able to comeback. Look I know some just look at point totals as the most important but believe it or not defense actually helps wins games lol
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10/28/2019  11:34 PM
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Swishfm3 wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Frank is not a 2, IMO. He is a 1. Let him play there and learn that position.

He can learn that position in the G-League NOT in the NBA.

I shouldn't be surprised but some on this site but...somehow, I am...what exactly has Frank Ntilikina done to warrant such praise? What exactly did I miss? Kid needs A LOT of work and the only place he is going to get it is in the G-League.

Did you actually watch the game? Did you hear FIzdale after the game? Frank didn’t hit his shots but his defense was a big reason why things didn’t get out of hand and we were able to comeback. Look I know some just look at point totals as the most important but believe it or not defense actually helps wins games lol

Did I hear what Fizdale said? Why does that matter? I thought we hated Fizdale around these parts?

Excuse me if I don't get overly excited about his defensive prowess on a second rate Bulls back court. Dude is trash. Just like Lin, Baker, Hernangomez (remember him?), Mozgov, C. Randle, T.Murry.....

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10/28/2019  11:37 PM
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StarksEwing1 wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Frank is not a 2, IMO. He is a 1. Let him play there and learn that position.

He can learn that position in the G-League NOT in the NBA.

I shouldn't be surprised but some on this site but...somehow, I am...what exactly has Frank Ntilikina done to warrant such praise? What exactly did I miss? Kid needs A LOT of work and the only place he is going to get it is in the G-League.

Did you actually watch the game? Did you hear FIzdale after the game? Frank didn’t hit his shots but his defense was a big reason why things didn’t get out of hand and we were able to comeback. Look I know some just look at point totals as the most important but believe it or not defense actually helps wins games lol

Did I hear what Fizdale said? Why does that matter? I thought we hated Fizdale around these parts?

Excuse me if I don't get overly excited about his defensive prowess on a second rate Bulls back court. Dude is trash. Just like Lin, Baker, Hernangomez (remember him?), Mozgov, C. Randle, T.Murry.....

on the offensive end Zach and Cody are fast guys and we have already seen Frank go toe to toe with other heavies.

Dude just needs to make a shot.

And not be so mechanical. FIVB Frank

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10/28/2019  11:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/28/2019  11:38 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
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GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Frank is not a 2, IMO. He is a 1. Let him play there and learn that position.

He can learn that position in the G-League NOT in the NBA.

I shouldn't be surprised but some on this site but...somehow, I am...what exactly has Frank Ntilikina done to warrant such praise? What exactly did I miss? Kid needs A LOT of work and the only place he is going to get it is in the G-League.

Did you actually watch the game? Did you hear FIzdale after the game? Frank didn’t hit his shots but his defense was a big reason why things didn’t get out of hand and we were able to comeback. Look I know some just look at point totals as the most important but believe it or not defense actually helps wins games lol

Did I hear what Fizdale said? Why does that matter? I thought we hated Fizdale around these parts?

Excuse me if I don't get overly excited about his defensive prowess on a second rate Bulls back court. Dude is trash. Just like Lin, Baker, Hernangomez (remember him?), Mozgov, C. Randle, T.Murry.....

Whatever you say buddy. Great insight by the way lol
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10/28/2019  11:45 PM
martin wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Frank is not a 2, IMO. He is a 1. Let him play there and learn that position.

He can learn that position in the G-League NOT in the NBA.

I shouldn't be surprised but some on this site but...somehow, I am...what exactly has Frank Ntilikina done to warrant such praise? What exactly did I miss? Kid needs A LOT of work and the only place he is going to get it is in the G-League.

Did you actually watch the game? Did you hear FIzdale after the game? Frank didn’t hit his shots but his defense was a big reason why things didn’t get out of hand and we were able to comeback. Look I know some just look at point totals as the most important but believe it or not defense actually helps wins games lol

Did I hear what Fizdale said? Why does that matter? I thought we hated Fizdale around these parts?

Excuse me if I don't get overly excited about his defensive prowess on a second rate Bulls back court. Dude is trash. Just like Lin, Baker, Hernangomez (remember him?), Mozgov, C. Randle, T.Murry.....

on the offensive end Zach and Cody are fast guys and we have already seen Frank go toe to toe with other heavies.

Dude just needs to make a shot.

And not be so mechanical. FIVB Frank

And what better place to learn that but in the G-League where he can get consistent minutes? I don't hate the guy, I just don't see him as an everyday rotational player on ANY NBA team.

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10/28/2019  11:55 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:
martin wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Frank is not a 2, IMO. He is a 1. Let him play there and learn that position.

He can learn that position in the G-League NOT in the NBA.

I shouldn't be surprised but some on this site but...somehow, I am...what exactly has Frank Ntilikina done to warrant such praise? What exactly did I miss? Kid needs A LOT of work and the only place he is going to get it is in the G-League.

Did you actually watch the game? Did you hear FIzdale after the game? Frank didn’t hit his shots but his defense was a big reason why things didn’t get out of hand and we were able to comeback. Look I know some just look at point totals as the most important but believe it or not defense actually helps wins games lol

Did I hear what Fizdale said? Why does that matter? I thought we hated Fizdale around these parts?

Excuse me if I don't get overly excited about his defensive prowess on a second rate Bulls back court. Dude is trash. Just like Lin, Baker, Hernangomez (remember him?), Mozgov, C. Randle, T.Murry.....

on the offensive end Zach and Cody are fast guys and we have already seen Frank go toe to toe with other heavies.

Dude just needs to make a shot.

And not be so mechanical. FIVB Frank

And what better place to learn that but in the G-League where he can get consistent minutes? I don't hate the guy, I just don't see him as an everyday rotational player on ANY NBA team.

well, that's your blind spot

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10/29/2019  5:36 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/29/2019  5:44 AM
Swishfm3 wrote:
martin wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Frank is not a 2, IMO. He is a 1. Let him play there and learn that position.

He can learn that position in the G-League NOT in the NBA.

I shouldn't be surprised but some on this site but...somehow, I am...what exactly has Frank Ntilikina done to warrant such praise? What exactly did I miss? Kid needs A LOT of work and the only place he is going to get it is in the G-League.

Did you actually watch the game? Did you hear FIzdale after the game? Frank didn’t hit his shots but his defense was a big reason why things didn’t get out of hand and we were able to comeback. Look I know some just look at point totals as the most important but believe it or not defense actually helps wins games lol

Did I hear what Fizdale said? Why does that matter? I thought we hated Fizdale around these parts?

Excuse me if I don't get overly excited about his defensive prowess on a second rate Bulls back court. Dude is trash. Just like Lin, Baker, Hernangomez (remember him?), Mozgov, C. Randle, T.Murry.....

on the offensive end Zach and Cody are fast guys and we have already seen Frank go toe to toe with other heavies.

Dude just needs to make a shot.

And not be so mechanical. FIVB Frank

And what better place to learn that but in the G-League where he can get consistent minutes? I don't hate the guy, I just don't see him as an everyday rotational player on ANY NBA team.

If people have the same conclusion after 3 years of this why stop now? The mantra is we all know Frank can shoot, despite never seeing it. And besides if you think a PG needs to contribute offensively, you don't realize defense wins games and you probably only like looking at dunks. Bulls are crap and we happened to have enough last night to win playing 4 on 5 some of the time.

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10/29/2019  5:43 AM
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nykshaknbake wrote:What has Frank really done in the years, years he's been here that makes you think he's a remotely adequate PG? Let alone the superstar saviour he's purported to be? Zero PG skills, no handle no shooting. He's a defensive specialist only. I doubt that's he just killing it in practice and scrimmages and dumb evil Fizdale whom I'm not a huge fan of is keeping him back because he doesn't like his hair.

It may also be news to you guys that Popovich wouldn't play him 30 to 40 minutes a game if he was on the Spurs. He had plenty of time in past severaL years to show us he's not a liability and if he can show in practice he can be a difference maker I'm sure Fizdale would put him in to save his own job.

Frank has definitely struggled offensively. Which is why the point was to put him at the two and develop his offense slowly. The problem is that the Knicks have not taken the time to develop him properly. Clearly he can have an impact on games defensively. If he was struggling at the point they should have moved him to the two lessening his offensive responsibilities while still taking advantage of his defensive prowess. They then could have developed his offense from there. How does it make any sense that the Knicks in a rebuilding year spent all this time developing a player Mudiay they had no intention of keeping yet they kept jerking Frank around. The Knicks essentially wasted 3 years of Frank's development

The amount of minutes Frank would get with the Spurs is beside the point. Popovich would recognize the defense impact he has on games and develop him accordingly. Obviously, there is no way to know how what kind of player Frank would be if he was with the Spurs. However I know the Spurs would have done a lot better job developing his game than the Knicks have done.

How has he not been developed properly? He was hurt most of last season, consistently got 20 mpg the season before and showed very little. The Knicks have never forced him to carry an offensive load more than he was comfortable with. In fact they did move him around to find a place. What else besides giving him guaranteed 30 mpg independent of earning it(which no player in the NBA gets)could they have done? Spurs are brought up because alot of folks have asserted that Pop would have him starting and playing 30 per game.

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10/29/2019  7:07 AM
Not all players develop the same way.
He is the longest tenured knick and had two coaches in his first two years. He is now just starting his third season, not a “three year player”. Watch the end of the game again and franks defense. In fact the whole team played well down the stretch.
Isn’t it wonderful, “Poetry in motion” when a teams offense flows and the ball moves. Defense has the same effect. Frank thrives. THe team since he has been here and its offense? Not much to thrive in. He moves the ball. He moves without the ball.
Make no bones about it, the shots have to fall.
He is a special player that effects the game without scoring. Too bad some of you can’t appreciate that. Its why many root for those s shots to go in. The French team had a mature group of NBA players who played a nice game and moved the ball. They had a rhythm. Frank fed off of that. Thats my take. If we are destined to just have ISO players take turn after turn then he should seek to play elsewhere and thrive. I’m not saying is absolute, its just an opinion.
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10/29/2019  7:59 AM
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How has he not been developed properly? He was hurt most of last season, consistently got 20 mpg the season before and showed very little. The Knicks have never forced him to carry an offensive load more than he was comfortable with. In fact they did move him around to find a place. What else besides giving him guaranteed 30 mpg independent of earning it(which no player in the NBA gets)could they have done? Spurs are brought up because alot of folks have asserted that Pop would have him starting and playing 30 per game.

You remember how Knox played last year. At times he looked downright horrible. He did show some flashes but overall he was horrible. But Fizdale stuck with him all year. He allowed him to make a ton of mistakes and now this year he looks like a different player.

The way Fizdale handled Knox is the way he should have handled Frank. Yes Frank struggled mightily on offense but he should have stuck with him the way he stuck with Knox. Let him play live with the ofers on offense

Yes Frank eventually suffered the injury but up to that point Fiz had a very short leash and kept yanking him around.

The fans booing DSJ was definitely not a good look. But maybe it was a blessing in disguise. Now that Fiz knows the fans will not put up with him yanking Frank around maybe just maybe he will give Frank a real look now.

The interview after the game seems to hint at this. The reporter asked Fiz about Frank going 0 for 6 and he basically said I don't give a **** and launched into the positives that Frank brought to the game

All I have to say is hallelujah Fiz has finally seen the light - I hope.

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10/29/2019  8:06 AM
Nalod wrote:Not all players develop the same way.
He is the longest tenured knick and had two coaches in his first two years. He is now just starting his third season, not a “three year player”. Watch the end of the game again and franks defense. In fact the whole team played well down the stretch.
Isn’t it wonderful, “Poetry in motion” when a teams offense flows and the ball moves. Defense has the same effect. Frank thrives. THe team since he has been here and its offense? Not much to thrive in. He moves the ball. He moves without the ball.
Make no bones about it, the shots have to fall.
He is a special player that effects the game without scoring. Too bad some of you can’t appreciate that. Its why many root for those s shots to go in. The French team had a mature group of NBA players who played a nice game and moved the ball. They had a rhythm. Frank fed off of that. Thats my take. If we are destined to just have ISO players take turn after turn then he should seek to play elsewhere and thrive. I’m not saying is absolute, its just an opinion.

Well said.

I am willing to be patient with Frank. His D makes it worth it. IF he an get some extended consistent playing time and an offense to run, he will find his spots and start contributing. The kid is 20. He is SO young.

Yes, his shot is not falling but his form is good. He hits his FT's. He has a tendencey to not follow thru and that is when he is missing. He needs to work relentlesly at this until it sticks. Once it does, he should be at least an average shooter, I hope!

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nykshaknbake wrote:
How has he not been developed properly? He was hurt most of last season, consistently got 20 mpg the season before and showed very little. The Knicks have never forced him to carry an offensive load more than he was comfortable with. In fact they did move him around to find a place. What else besides giving him guaranteed 30 mpg independent of earning it(which no player in the NBA gets)could they have done? Spurs are brought up because alot of folks have asserted that Pop would have him starting and playing 30 per game.

You remember how Knox played last year. At times he looked downright horrible. He did show some flashes but overall he was horrible. But Fizdale stuck with him all year. He allowed him to make a ton of mistakes and now this year he looks like a different player.

The way Fizdale handled Knox is the way he should have handled Frank. Yes Frank struggled mightily on offense but he should have stuck with him the way he stuck with Knox. Let him play live with the ofers on offense

Yes Frank eventually suffered the injury but up to that point Fiz had a very short leash and kept yanking him around.

The fans booing DSJ was definitely not a good look. But maybe it was a blessing in disguise. Now that Fiz knows the fans will not put up with him yanking Frank around maybe just maybe he will give Frank a real look now.

The interview after the game seems to hint at this. The reporter asked Fiz about Frank going 0 for 6 and he basically said I don't give a **** and launched into the positives that Frank brought to the game

All I have to say is hallelujah Fiz has finally seen the light - I hope.

I think frank’s shoulder and really season long groin issue made for a complete clusterphuk of a season. Not an excuse, its a theory. The kid was hurt with his shoulder to start and the groin had him in and out. And yes, Fiz was was quick to yank him.

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