smackeddog wrote:This roster is uncoachable in the sense that no coach can make sense of it, it's just a horrific fit, with no point guard either. Unfortunately this makes it a horrific fit with fiz too as it's brought out his 'mad professor' tenancies of constantly trying to think outside the box

but w/ fiz we have something unique, which is a complete lack of discernible instances where his "coaching" made a positive difference.

...ok, he went zone on the hornets last year. that's it. way to go. i fully expect him to go zone again soon, b/c ya know ya gotta keep portis on the floor.

Nalod wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:This roster is uncoachable in the sense that no coach can make sense of it, it's just a horrific fit, with no point guard either. Unfortunately this makes it a horrific fit with fiz too as it's brought out his 'mad professor' tenancies of constantly trying to think outside the bo and FO x

Dantoni and Pop would run circles around Fiz with the exact same roster on both sides

You could not hire them to a to the studs rebuild. Knicks did not have the pieces/cap but I long believe MDA coaching Lebron was a legitimate concept. The key was Wade was already in Miami.

Elite NBA coaches will not facilitate the rebuild - this is not their job.
only unproven coaches can take on this to build their carrier.
But this is dangerous way to go up the ladder. One and done.
If this coach failed in rebuilding situation he is out of the league or forever assistant.
Of course it is always a lot of excuses because of rebuilding roster and luck of stars and even quality players.
But it must be some progress year after year. So far not much to show but we will see Fiz more clearly in April.
His contract is designed with initial rebuild years in mind. If he will show his worth he can stay for second leg of rebuild.
If not we will get some other more suitable for the task.
it may also happen at the same time with ownership change and subsequent FO reset.

Cartman718 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:This roster is uncoachable in the sense that no coach can make sense of it, it's just a horrific fit, with no point guard either. Unfortunately this makes it a horrific fit with fiz too as it's brought out his 'mad professor' tenancies of constantly trying to think outside the box

Dantoni and Pop would run circles around Fiz with the exact same roster on both sides

Welpee wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:This roster is uncoachable in the sense that no coach can make sense of it, it's just a horrific fit, with no point guard either. Unfortunately this makes it a horrific fit with fiz too as it's brought out his 'mad professor' tenancies of constantly trying to think outside the box

Dantoni and Pop would run circles around Fiz with the exact same roster on both sides

Yeah, the same D'antoni who only won 45 games with prime Kobe, Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol plus Steve Nash and Metta World Peace. Impressive.

the book is written already. get him gone.

blkexec wrote:

anrst wrote:i hate to even call him a horrible coach bc he's not even that. he's not a coach. he's just a guy that people like.

the book is written already. get him gone.

Whats clear is he's not a rebuilding coach. Fiz already proved to be a legit winning coach, when his roster is set and filled with stars and superstar players. But when it comes to rebuilding, he hasn't shown he has that kind of experience.

evidence? do you mean as assistant coach?

for the record, the celitcs were totally jobbed (and i say this hating the celtics) on the Heat's first title. Celts won that series in 6 except for crooked or inept reffing (i go with the former because NBA wantedd Lebron to get a title)

Cartman718 wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:This roster is uncoachable in the sense that no coach can make sense of it, it's just a horrific fit, with no point guard either. Unfortunately this makes it a horrific fit with fiz too as it's brought out his 'mad professor' tenancies of constantly trying to think outside the box

Dantoni and Pop would run circles around Fiz with the exact same roster on both sides

Yeah, the same D'antoni who only won 45 games with prime Kobe, Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol plus Steve Nash and Metta World Peace. Impressive.

prime Kobe...? lol DH 12 LOL
This current Knicks roster has so many young players that all would like to run. So yeah D'Antoni would have them firing on all cylinders compared to Fiz.

But you're missing the bigger point. I'm not supporting Fiz and you'll certainly get no argument from me regarding Pop. If you dropped Kerr's name in there you would've gotten no reaction from me. But D'Antoni? The most overrated coach in the NBA? Plus we had him here so Knick fans should know better about D'Antoni.

I suppose its not that simple. MDA failed because the team failed. Blame? That's a whole other story. I look at knicks the same way.
Team is not winning. Some fans get angry and have the answers but its easy to point when things are not going well. The franchise is in a bad way for sometime now. Im not saying Fiz is the issue but the revolving door of coaches and roster changes the last few years has not had any traction to speak of.
Yet. And until "Yet" becomes tangable we'll just keep thinking change has to be better than losing!
LIke the trump administration, you never really know how low the bar can go.

blkexec wrote:

anrst wrote:i hate to even call him a horrible coach bc he's not even that. he's not a coach. he's just a guy that people like.

the book is written already. get him gone.

Whats clear is he's not a rebuilding coach. Fiz already proved to be a legit winning coach, when his roster is set and filled with stars and superstar players. But when it comes to rebuilding, he hasn't shown he has that kind of experience.

you could coach a team full of stars and superstar players to win. have you applied yet? do we need fiz?

Welpee wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:This roster is uncoachable in the sense that no coach can make sense of it, it's just a horrific fit, with no point guard either. Unfortunately this makes it a horrific fit with fiz too as it's brought out his 'mad professor' tenancies of constantly trying to think outside the box

Dantoni and Pop would run circles around Fiz with the exact same roster on both sides

Yeah, the same D'antoni who only won 45 games with prime Kobe, Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol plus Steve Nash and Metta World Peace. Impressive.

prime Kobe...? lol DH 12 LOL
This current Knicks roster has so many young players that all would like to run. So yeah D'Antoni would have them firing on all cylinders compared to Fiz.

Kobe: 27.3 ppg, 6 assist, 5.6 rebs, 46 fg%, 84 ft%, played 78 games, 38.6 minutes per game. If you don't consider that "prime" I don't know what to tell you. And I stand corrected, D'Antoni was only 40-32 that season with that squad. As for Howard: 17.1 ppg, 12.4 rebs, 2.4 blocks, 58 fg%, played 76 games, 36 minutes per game. Yeah, D'Antoni didn't have much to work with. smh!

But you're missing the bigger point. I'm not supporting Fiz and you'll certainly get no argument from me regarding Pop. If you dropped Kerr's name in there you would've gotten no reaction from me. But D'Antoni? The most overrated coach in the NBA? Plus we had him here so Knick fans should know better about D'Antoni.

+10000....MDA is overrated. He would struggle just as bad as Fiz with this roster. No pg and no shooters to run MDAs drive and kick style. In fact most NBA coaches run a 4 out or 5 out set that relays heavily on drive and kicks and pick and rolls. We dont seem to have that type of personnel....