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blkexec
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9/12/2019  6:28 AM
Caseloads wrote:again, Frank just turned 21. Be patient. Don't sell frankie-baby.

Knicks should let him develop and invest in him.

That depends on the price.....

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Nalod
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9/12/2019  8:35 AM
blkexec wrote:
Caseloads wrote:again, Frank just turned 21. Be patient. Don't sell frankie-baby.

Knicks should let him develop and invest in him.

That depends on the price.....

Franks price for the next three years is set. Knicks have to decide by Oct 31st if they will invest.
Rumors they tried to trade him. Rumors Mills and some scouts like him. Rumors are Perry and his crew are not so high on him. Knicks are not the only team that might have differed opinions on one of its players. We just happen to hyperfollow them and not theirs. Just Becaue Mills is Mills does not mean he is always wrong. For the moment he is a knick.

We might all agree playing on a 17 win team is not a good look for any player or coach.

Franks contract: https:https://hoopshype.com/player/frank-ntilikina/salary/

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9/12/2019  8:35 AM
arkrud wrote:
Nalod wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
shinmen wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Caseloads wrote:
ekstarks94 wrote:
technomaster wrote:Nice hesitation dribble at :59 second mark in the video, freed himself up for a nice open shot.

It's nice to see him playing well and contributing. If he could have a bunch of games just like this one (hit a couple of 3s, make some plays near the basket, and hit some teammates for open shots...), nothing exceptional, fans would fall in love all over again and start grumbling to see more of him.

As it stands, last season was extremely damaging for fan opinion of Ntilikina, and our expectations of him are extremely low (as is his trade value).

Never sell low


truth. never sell frank. always serviceable, always cheap.

why, is that because there's no player better than him at $5 million?

I keep asking (never got a answer from any frank fans) if frank was on another roster with the same stats, would you hope and pray that the FO traded for him?

It depends on the price but yes I would. Marcus Smart who was invaluable to the Celtics is a horrible offensive player even after 5 years and still got like 12M$ per year because of his defense.
Marcus and Frank have similar stats but Frank has room to improve and Smart has benefited from much much much better teammates throughout his career.
Frank at 4, 5M$ a year could be a bargain if he improves his efficiency on offense.


Smart has a different motor and a much more intense approach.

Which is why he is paid 12mm per and will be 26 years old this season. He is the player he is.
All of this “arguing” about frank is drawing conclusions about a player who just turned 21 and was still growing. Smart was a beast in college. Celtics have had a talented roster the last few years and he is valuable as a role player for them.
Parallel? Smart spent two years in college. Frank two years in the NBA. Smart NBA offense vs. his college has been a disappointment. Kid is a bulldog and earns his money with grit. Frank is a different player with a different skill set, body, and team.
Smart was the 6th pick in his draft.

After the France beat US game Knicks can auction Frank and 29 NBA teams will come to bargain for him.
You can get a lot of money out of it. But Knicks will not do this... Nobody want to potentially look as an idiot.

This front office will botch any frank trade in a heartbeat..and his NEW agent will request trade

(mark my words) if he's regulated to the bench.

ES
Nalod
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9/12/2019  8:43 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
arkrud wrote:
Nalod wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
shinmen wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Caseloads wrote:
ekstarks94 wrote:
technomaster wrote:Nice hesitation dribble at :59 second mark in the video, freed himself up for a nice open shot.

It's nice to see him playing well and contributing. If he could have a bunch of games just like this one (hit a couple of 3s, make some plays near the basket, and hit some teammates for open shots...), nothing exceptional, fans would fall in love all over again and start grumbling to see more of him.

As it stands, last season was extremely damaging for fan opinion of Ntilikina, and our expectations of him are extremely low (as is his trade value).

Never sell low


truth. never sell frank. always serviceable, always cheap.

why, is that because there's no player better than him at $5 million?

I keep asking (never got a answer from any frank fans) if frank was on another roster with the same stats, would you hope and pray that the FO traded for him?

It depends on the price but yes I would. Marcus Smart who was invaluable to the Celtics is a horrible offensive player even after 5 years and still got like 12M$ per year because of his defense.
Marcus and Frank have similar stats but Frank has room to improve and Smart has benefited from much much much better teammates throughout his career.
Frank at 4, 5M$ a year could be a bargain if he improves his efficiency on offense.


Smart has a different motor and a much more intense approach.

Which is why he is paid 12mm per and will be 26 years old this season. He is the player he is.
All of this “arguing” about frank is drawing conclusions about a player who just turned 21 and was still growing. Smart was a beast in college. Celtics have had a talented roster the last few years and he is valuable as a role player for them.
Parallel? Smart spent two years in college. Frank two years in the NBA. Smart NBA offense vs. his college has been a disappointment. Kid is a bulldog and earns his money with grit. Frank is a different player with a different skill set, body, and team.
Smart was the 6th pick in his draft.

After the France beat US game Knicks can auction Frank and 29 NBA teams will come to bargain for him.
You can get a lot of money out of it. But Knicks will not do this... Nobody want to potentially look as an idiot.

This front office will botch any frank trade in a heartbeat..and his NEW agent will request trade

(mark my words) if he's regulated to the bench.


We got your number. “if knicks botch it up FO looks bad, Rainman look good”. Then mills gets fired and then you “right”. But then you have another President with GM only on the job 2 years, and a coach with fresh staff just one. Then your talking revamp. President, GM and Coach all on same page for now. Team is young. Nothing I suggest or you will have great impact in short term.
Why not just root for Mills to do good and knicks succeed? Reality will take care of itself.

As for Frank, if we don’t extend him he is free at seasons end and value is Nil. So its not like we botch it, its what it is. Question becomes who wants him and offers best price. We either give him minutes or let him find his way elsewhere. You bring up a good point but botch it.

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9/12/2019  10:07 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
arkrud wrote:
Nalod wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
shinmen wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Caseloads wrote:
ekstarks94 wrote:
technomaster wrote:Nice hesitation dribble at :59 second mark in the video, freed himself up for a nice open shot.

It's nice to see him playing well and contributing. If he could have a bunch of games just like this one (hit a couple of 3s, make some plays near the basket, and hit some teammates for open shots...), nothing exceptional, fans would fall in love all over again and start grumbling to see more of him.

As it stands, last season was extremely damaging for fan opinion of Ntilikina, and our expectations of him are extremely low (as is his trade value).

Never sell low


truth. never sell frank. always serviceable, always cheap.

why, is that because there's no player better than him at $5 million?

I keep asking (never got a answer from any frank fans) if frank was on another roster with the same stats, would you hope and pray that the FO traded for him?

It depends on the price but yes I would. Marcus Smart who was invaluable to the Celtics is a horrible offensive player even after 5 years and still got like 12M$ per year because of his defense.
Marcus and Frank have similar stats but Frank has room to improve and Smart has benefited from much much much better teammates throughout his career.
Frank at 4, 5M$ a year could be a bargain if he improves his efficiency on offense.


Smart has a different motor and a much more intense approach.

Which is why he is paid 12mm per and will be 26 years old this season. He is the player he is.
All of this “arguing” about frank is drawing conclusions about a player who just turned 21 and was still growing. Smart was a beast in college. Celtics have had a talented roster the last few years and he is valuable as a role player for them.
Parallel? Smart spent two years in college. Frank two years in the NBA. Smart NBA offense vs. his college has been a disappointment. Kid is a bulldog and earns his money with grit. Frank is a different player with a different skill set, body, and team.
Smart was the 6th pick in his draft.

After the France beat US game Knicks can auction Frank and 29 NBA teams will come to bargain for him.
You can get a lot of money out of it. But Knicks will not do this... Nobody want to potentially look as an idiot.

This front office will botch any frank trade in a heartbeat..and his NEW agent will request trade

(mark my words) if he's regulated to the bench.

You are right the Knicks are going to botch this big time. This team devalues what they really have always values what they don’t. Frank is not a player who is end of bench type player. His value and strength are his teammates. He thrives in system and has a really good basketball IQ. If you put Frank around scorers he is going to keep a lot of players happy. He is a leader unselfish to a fault but he is a leader and a winning type player.

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9/12/2019  11:38 AM
Nalod wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
arkrud wrote:
Nalod wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
shinmen wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Caseloads wrote:
ekstarks94 wrote:
technomaster wrote:Nice hesitation dribble at :59 second mark in the video, freed himself up for a nice open shot.

It's nice to see him playing well and contributing. If he could have a bunch of games just like this one (hit a couple of 3s, make some plays near the basket, and hit some teammates for open shots...), nothing exceptional, fans would fall in love all over again and start grumbling to see more of him.

As it stands, last season was extremely damaging for fan opinion of Ntilikina, and our expectations of him are extremely low (as is his trade value).

Never sell low


truth. never sell frank. always serviceable, always cheap.

why, is that because there's no player better than him at $5 million?

I keep asking (never got a answer from any frank fans) if frank was on another roster with the same stats, would you hope and pray that the FO traded for him?

It depends on the price but yes I would. Marcus Smart who was invaluable to the Celtics is a horrible offensive player even after 5 years and still got like 12M$ per year because of his defense.
Marcus and Frank have similar stats but Frank has room to improve and Smart has benefited from much much much better teammates throughout his career.
Frank at 4, 5M$ a year could be a bargain if he improves his efficiency on offense.


Smart has a different motor and a much more intense approach.

Which is why he is paid 12mm per and will be 26 years old this season. He is the player he is.
All of this “arguing” about frank is drawing conclusions about a player who just turned 21 and was still growing. Smart was a beast in college. Celtics have had a talented roster the last few years and he is valuable as a role player for them.
Parallel? Smart spent two years in college. Frank two years in the NBA. Smart NBA offense vs. his college has been a disappointment. Kid is a bulldog and earns his money with grit. Frank is a different player with a different skill set, body, and team.
Smart was the 6th pick in his draft.

After the France beat US game Knicks can auction Frank and 29 NBA teams will come to bargain for him.
You can get a lot of money out of it. But Knicks will not do this... Nobody want to potentially look as an idiot.

This front office will botch any frank trade in a heartbeat..and his NEW agent will request trade

(mark my words) if he's regulated to the bench.


We got your number. “if knicks botch it up FO looks bad, Rainman look good”. Then mills gets fired and then you “right”. But then you have another President with GM only on the job 2 years, and a coach with fresh staff just one. Then your talking revamp. President, GM and Coach all on same page for now. Team is young. Nothing I suggest or you will have great impact in short term.
Why not just root for Mills to do good and knicks succeed? Reality will take care of itself.

As for Frank, if we don’t extend him he is free at seasons end and value is Nil. So its not like we botch it, its what it is. Question becomes who wants him and offers best price. We either give him minutes or let him find his way elsewhere. You bring up a good point but botch it.

He says this when he has been practicelly willing to ship Frank off for a bag of peanuts.

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9/12/2019  11:43 AM
Vmart wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
arkrud wrote:
Nalod wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
shinmen wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Caseloads wrote:
ekstarks94 wrote:
technomaster wrote:Nice hesitation dribble at :59 second mark in the video, freed himself up for a nice open shot.

It's nice to see him playing well and contributing. If he could have a bunch of games just like this one (hit a couple of 3s, make some plays near the basket, and hit some teammates for open shots...), nothing exceptional, fans would fall in love all over again and start grumbling to see more of him.

As it stands, last season was extremely damaging for fan opinion of Ntilikina, and our expectations of him are extremely low (as is his trade value).

Never sell low


truth. never sell frank. always serviceable, always cheap.

why, is that because there's no player better than him at $5 million?

I keep asking (never got a answer from any frank fans) if frank was on another roster with the same stats, would you hope and pray that the FO traded for him?

It depends on the price but yes I would. Marcus Smart who was invaluable to the Celtics is a horrible offensive player even after 5 years and still got like 12M$ per year because of his defense.
Marcus and Frank have similar stats but Frank has room to improve and Smart has benefited from much much much better teammates throughout his career.
Frank at 4, 5M$ a year could be a bargain if he improves his efficiency on offense.


Smart has a different motor and a much more intense approach.

Which is why he is paid 12mm per and will be 26 years old this season. He is the player he is.
All of this “arguing” about frank is drawing conclusions about a player who just turned 21 and was still growing. Smart was a beast in college. Celtics have had a talented roster the last few years and he is valuable as a role player for them.
Parallel? Smart spent two years in college. Frank two years in the NBA. Smart NBA offense vs. his college has been a disappointment. Kid is a bulldog and earns his money with grit. Frank is a different player with a different skill set, body, and team.
Smart was the 6th pick in his draft.

After the France beat US game Knicks can auction Frank and 29 NBA teams will come to bargain for him.
You can get a lot of money out of it. But Knicks will not do this... Nobody want to potentially look as an idiot.

This front office will botch any frank trade in a heartbeat..and his NEW agent will request trade

(mark my words) if he's regulated to the bench.

You are right the Knicks are going to botch this big time. This team devalues what they really have always values what they don’t. Frank is not a player who is end of bench type player. His value and strength are his teammates. He thrives in system and has a really good basketball IQ. If you put Frank around scorers he is going to keep a lot of players happy. He is a leader unselfish to a fault but he is a leader and a winning type player.

France has a nice model. Defensive length from Frank, Fournier, Batum, Gobert to smoother teams. With Frank, Fournier, Batum all cappable of moving the ball and creating for each other. This allows a player to us maximum energy defensively while allowing the natural flow of the ball/system to produce easy buckets.

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9/12/2019  12:30 PM
I did not see much of BroPez but did they try to pull Rudy out and let Bropez shoot?
This USA team was getting beaten by the select guys in practice games before they left Vegas! That was Mitch and those guys.
I don't see Kyrie getting back with Pop anytime soon. LOL.........
Maybe its the Boston guys?
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9/12/2019  12:42 PM
Vmart wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
arkrud wrote:
Nalod wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
shinmen wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Caseloads wrote:
ekstarks94 wrote:
technomaster wrote:Nice hesitation dribble at :59 second mark in the video, freed himself up for a nice open shot.

It's nice to see him playing well and contributing. If he could have a bunch of games just like this one (hit a couple of 3s, make some plays near the basket, and hit some teammates for open shots...), nothing exceptional, fans would fall in love all over again and start grumbling to see more of him.

As it stands, last season was extremely damaging for fan opinion of Ntilikina, and our expectations of him are extremely low (as is his trade value).

Never sell low


truth. never sell frank. always serviceable, always cheap.

why, is that because there's no player better than him at $5 million?

I keep asking (never got a answer from any frank fans) if frank was on another roster with the same stats, would you hope and pray that the FO traded for him?

It depends on the price but yes I would. Marcus Smart who was invaluable to the Celtics is a horrible offensive player even after 5 years and still got like 12M$ per year because of his defense.
Marcus and Frank have similar stats but Frank has room to improve and Smart has benefited from much much much better teammates throughout his career.
Frank at 4, 5M$ a year could be a bargain if he improves his efficiency on offense.


Smart has a different motor and a much more intense approach.

Which is why he is paid 12mm per and will be 26 years old this season. He is the player he is.
All of this “arguing” about frank is drawing conclusions about a player who just turned 21 and was still growing. Smart was a beast in college. Celtics have had a talented roster the last few years and he is valuable as a role player for them.
Parallel? Smart spent two years in college. Frank two years in the NBA. Smart NBA offense vs. his college has been a disappointment. Kid is a bulldog and earns his money with grit. Frank is a different player with a different skill set, body, and team.
Smart was the 6th pick in his draft.

After the France beat US game Knicks can auction Frank and 29 NBA teams will come to bargain for him.
You can get a lot of money out of it. But Knicks will not do this... Nobody want to potentially look as an idiot.

This front office will botch any frank trade in a heartbeat..and his NEW agent will request trade

(mark my words) if he's regulated to the bench.

You are right the Knicks are going to botch this big time. This team devalues what they really have always values what they don’t. Frank is not a player who is end of bench type player. His value and strength are his teammates. He thrives in system and has a really good basketball IQ. If you put Frank around scorers he is going to keep a lot of players happy. He is a leader unselfish to a fault but he is a leader and a winning type player.

you guys are the ultimate wankers. 1248 makes up something stupid, Vmart writes it on a sign and goes streaking down the quad



for context Vmart thinks Phil was good and 1248 thinks Utah loses because Gobert cant shoot 3s. Love talking hoops with you guys.

Also Frank looks great.

This kid is 6'7 with a 7 foot wingspan, PG skills and elite defense. He's STILL going to need to time because he's 21 and sometimes players mature and adjust to the league at different speeds.

Predicted responses:
1248: Knicks dont know how to develop players and Mills sucks
Vmart: Fizdale will ruin him. I miss Phil

For the others here hopefully this is a big step for Frank. He looked great. Hopefully they win the thing and he hits more big shots. He's shown the clutch gene. A year ago Fizdale was taking him to playoff games. He played like **** and got hurt a lot. If he was 25 its one thing. 19-20 years old there is a process. Its always good to see forward progress. This counts

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
knicks1248
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9/12/2019  12:45 PM
Vmart wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
arkrud wrote:
Nalod wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
shinmen wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Caseloads wrote:
ekstarks94 wrote:
technomaster wrote:Nice hesitation dribble at :59 second mark in the video, freed himself up for a nice open shot.

It's nice to see him playing well and contributing. If he could have a bunch of games just like this one (hit a couple of 3s, make some plays near the basket, and hit some teammates for open shots...), nothing exceptional, fans would fall in love all over again and start grumbling to see more of him.

As it stands, last season was extremely damaging for fan opinion of Ntilikina, and our expectations of him are extremely low (as is his trade value).

Never sell low


truth. never sell frank. always serviceable, always cheap.

why, is that because there's no player better than him at $5 million?

I keep asking (never got a answer from any frank fans) if frank was on another roster with the same stats, would you hope and pray that the FO traded for him?

It depends on the price but yes I would. Marcus Smart who was invaluable to the Celtics is a horrible offensive player even after 5 years and still got like 12M$ per year because of his defense.
Marcus and Frank have similar stats but Frank has room to improve and Smart has benefited from much much much better teammates throughout his career.
Frank at 4, 5M$ a year could be a bargain if he improves his efficiency on offense.


Smart has a different motor and a much more intense approach.

Which is why he is paid 12mm per and will be 26 years old this season. He is the player he is.
All of this “arguing” about frank is drawing conclusions about a player who just turned 21 and was still growing. Smart was a beast in college. Celtics have had a talented roster the last few years and he is valuable as a role player for them.
Parallel? Smart spent two years in college. Frank two years in the NBA. Smart NBA offense vs. his college has been a disappointment. Kid is a bulldog and earns his money with grit. Frank is a different player with a different skill set, body, and team.
Smart was the 6th pick in his draft.

After the France beat US game Knicks can auction Frank and 29 NBA teams will come to bargain for him.
You can get a lot of money out of it. But Knicks will not do this... Nobody want to potentially look as an idiot.

This front office will botch any frank trade in a heartbeat..and his NEW agent will request trade

(mark my words) if he's regulated to the bench.

You are right the Knicks are going to botch this big time. This team devalues what they really have always values what they don’t. Frank is not a player who is end of bench type player. His value and strength are his teammates. He thrives in system and has a really good basketball IQ. If you put Frank around scorers he is going to keep a lot of players happy. He is a leader unselfish to a fault but he is a leader and a winning type player.

100% agree..

Fiz or JH have/had no system and no clue on how to use him, and Fizdales heavy ISO is the last system on earth you want to put him, because that "BY FAR" is not his game.

ES
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9/12/2019  12:48 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
Vmart wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
arkrud wrote:
Nalod wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
shinmen wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Caseloads wrote:
ekstarks94 wrote:
technomaster wrote:Nice hesitation dribble at :59 second mark in the video, freed himself up for a nice open shot.

It's nice to see him playing well and contributing. If he could have a bunch of games just like this one (hit a couple of 3s, make some plays near the basket, and hit some teammates for open shots...), nothing exceptional, fans would fall in love all over again and start grumbling to see more of him.

As it stands, last season was extremely damaging for fan opinion of Ntilikina, and our expectations of him are extremely low (as is his trade value).

Never sell low


truth. never sell frank. always serviceable, always cheap.

why, is that because there's no player better than him at $5 million?

I keep asking (never got a answer from any frank fans) if frank was on another roster with the same stats, would you hope and pray that the FO traded for him?

It depends on the price but yes I would. Marcus Smart who was invaluable to the Celtics is a horrible offensive player even after 5 years and still got like 12M$ per year because of his defense.
Marcus and Frank have similar stats but Frank has room to improve and Smart has benefited from much much much better teammates throughout his career.
Frank at 4, 5M$ a year could be a bargain if he improves his efficiency on offense.


Smart has a different motor and a much more intense approach.

Which is why he is paid 12mm per and will be 26 years old this season. He is the player he is.
All of this “arguing” about frank is drawing conclusions about a player who just turned 21 and was still growing. Smart was a beast in college. Celtics have had a talented roster the last few years and he is valuable as a role player for them.
Parallel? Smart spent two years in college. Frank two years in the NBA. Smart NBA offense vs. his college has been a disappointment. Kid is a bulldog and earns his money with grit. Frank is a different player with a different skill set, body, and team.
Smart was the 6th pick in his draft.

After the France beat US game Knicks can auction Frank and 29 NBA teams will come to bargain for him.
You can get a lot of money out of it. But Knicks will not do this... Nobody want to potentially look as an idiot.

This front office will botch any frank trade in a heartbeat..and his NEW agent will request trade

(mark my words) if he's regulated to the bench.

You are right the Knicks are going to botch this big time. This team devalues what they really have always values what they don’t. Frank is not a player who is end of bench type player. His value and strength are his teammates. He thrives in system and has a really good basketball IQ. If you put Frank around scorers he is going to keep a lot of players happy. He is a leader unselfish to a fault but he is a leader and a winning type player.

France has a nice model. Defensive length from Frank, Fournier, Batum, Gobert to smoother teams. With Frank, Fournier, Batum all cappable of moving the ball and creating for each other. This allows a player to us maximum energy defensively while allowing the natural flow of the ball/system to produce easy buckets.

Agree. With RJ being an excellent ball handling I really think our long term future is around a Frank/RJ back court with Mitch in the paint in the Gobert role. Put Morris/Randle and the forwards and its not bad but RJ/Frank are not ready for running the team yet.

DSjr is a total wildcard, but looking around the league at the elite teams he strikes me as the perfect 6th man on a great team. 30 minutes a night. Half as the backup PG, the other half as a featured scorer in a smaller line up. Again.. that is assuming both he and Frank project to their ceilings

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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9/12/2019  12:50 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
Nalod wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
arkrud wrote:
Nalod wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
shinmen wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Caseloads wrote:
ekstarks94 wrote:
technomaster wrote:Nice hesitation dribble at :59 second mark in the video, freed himself up for a nice open shot.

It's nice to see him playing well and contributing. If he could have a bunch of games just like this one (hit a couple of 3s, make some plays near the basket, and hit some teammates for open shots...), nothing exceptional, fans would fall in love all over again and start grumbling to see more of him.

As it stands, last season was extremely damaging for fan opinion of Ntilikina, and our expectations of him are extremely low (as is his trade value).

Never sell low


truth. never sell frank. always serviceable, always cheap.

why, is that because there's no player better than him at $5 million?

I keep asking (never got a answer from any frank fans) if frank was on another roster with the same stats, would you hope and pray that the FO traded for him?

It depends on the price but yes I would. Marcus Smart who was invaluable to the Celtics is a horrible offensive player even after 5 years and still got like 12M$ per year because of his defense.
Marcus and Frank have similar stats but Frank has room to improve and Smart has benefited from much much much better teammates throughout his career.
Frank at 4, 5M$ a year could be a bargain if he improves his efficiency on offense.


Smart has a different motor and a much more intense approach.

Which is why he is paid 12mm per and will be 26 years old this season. He is the player he is.
All of this “arguing” about frank is drawing conclusions about a player who just turned 21 and was still growing. Smart was a beast in college. Celtics have had a talented roster the last few years and he is valuable as a role player for them.
Parallel? Smart spent two years in college. Frank two years in the NBA. Smart NBA offense vs. his college has been a disappointment. Kid is a bulldog and earns his money with grit. Frank is a different player with a different skill set, body, and team.
Smart was the 6th pick in his draft.

After the France beat US game Knicks can auction Frank and 29 NBA teams will come to bargain for him.
You can get a lot of money out of it. But Knicks will not do this... Nobody want to potentially look as an idiot.

This front office will botch any frank trade in a heartbeat..and his NEW agent will request trade

(mark my words) if he's regulated to the bench.


We got your number. “if knicks botch it up FO looks bad, Rainman look good”. Then mills gets fired and then you “right”. But then you have another President with GM only on the job 2 years, and a coach with fresh staff just one. Then your talking revamp. President, GM and Coach all on same page for now. Team is young. Nothing I suggest or you will have great impact in short term.
Why not just root for Mills to do good and knicks succeed? Reality will take care of itself.

As for Frank, if we don’t extend him he is free at seasons end and value is Nil. So its not like we botch it, its what it is. Question becomes who wants him and offers best price. We either give him minutes or let him find his way elsewhere. You bring up a good point but botch it.

He says this when he has been practicelly willing to ship Frank off for a bag of peanuts.

He's worth a bag of peanuts to us because he doesn't play ISO ball, doesn't play high tempo/fast pace, doesn't jack up 3's, and we have no super/ALL stars to surround him with, even his gambles on defense will back fire because he has no defenders like Gobert behind him, or a defensive system.

It's like putting derrick rose in the triangle


And that USA team was super trash and not a real good test

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9/12/2019  12:50 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Vmart wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
arkrud wrote:
Nalod wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
shinmen wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Caseloads wrote:
ekstarks94 wrote:
technomaster wrote:Nice hesitation dribble at :59 second mark in the video, freed himself up for a nice open shot.

It's nice to see him playing well and contributing. If he could have a bunch of games just like this one (hit a couple of 3s, make some plays near the basket, and hit some teammates for open shots...), nothing exceptional, fans would fall in love all over again and start grumbling to see more of him.

As it stands, last season was extremely damaging for fan opinion of Ntilikina, and our expectations of him are extremely low (as is his trade value).

Never sell low


truth. never sell frank. always serviceable, always cheap.

why, is that because there's no player better than him at $5 million?

I keep asking (never got a answer from any frank fans) if frank was on another roster with the same stats, would you hope and pray that the FO traded for him?

It depends on the price but yes I would. Marcus Smart who was invaluable to the Celtics is a horrible offensive player even after 5 years and still got like 12M$ per year because of his defense.
Marcus and Frank have similar stats but Frank has room to improve and Smart has benefited from much much much better teammates throughout his career.
Frank at 4, 5M$ a year could be a bargain if he improves his efficiency on offense.


Smart has a different motor and a much more intense approach.

Which is why he is paid 12mm per and will be 26 years old this season. He is the player he is.
All of this “arguing” about frank is drawing conclusions about a player who just turned 21 and was still growing. Smart was a beast in college. Celtics have had a talented roster the last few years and he is valuable as a role player for them.
Parallel? Smart spent two years in college. Frank two years in the NBA. Smart NBA offense vs. his college has been a disappointment. Kid is a bulldog and earns his money with grit. Frank is a different player with a different skill set, body, and team.
Smart was the 6th pick in his draft.

After the France beat US game Knicks can auction Frank and 29 NBA teams will come to bargain for him.
You can get a lot of money out of it. But Knicks will not do this... Nobody want to potentially look as an idiot.

This front office will botch any frank trade in a heartbeat..and his NEW agent will request trade

(mark my words) if he's regulated to the bench.

You are right the Knicks are going to botch this big time. This team devalues what they really have always values what they don’t. Frank is not a player who is end of bench type player. His value and strength are his teammates. He thrives in system and has a really good basketball IQ. If you put Frank around scorers he is going to keep a lot of players happy. He is a leader unselfish to a fault but he is a leader and a winning type player.

100% agree..

Fiz or JH have/had no system and no clue on how to use him, and Fizdales heavy ISO is the last system on earth you want to put him, because that "BY FAR" is not his game.

I love how you call Frank garbage... until it doesnt fit your narrative. Then he's not being used right. Hmmmm
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Just Frank:
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9/12/2019  1:11 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/12/2019  1:12 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Vmart wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
arkrud wrote:
Nalod wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
shinmen wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Caseloads wrote:
ekstarks94 wrote:
technomaster wrote:Nice hesitation dribble at :59 second mark in the video, freed himself up for a nice open shot.

It's nice to see him playing well and contributing. If he could have a bunch of games just like this one (hit a couple of 3s, make some plays near the basket, and hit some teammates for open shots...), nothing exceptional, fans would fall in love all over again and start grumbling to see more of him.

As it stands, last season was extremely damaging for fan opinion of Ntilikina, and our expectations of him are extremely low (as is his trade value).

Never sell low


truth. never sell frank. always serviceable, always cheap.

why, is that because there's no player better than him at $5 million?

I keep asking (never got a answer from any frank fans) if frank was on another roster with the same stats, would you hope and pray that the FO traded for him?

It depends on the price but yes I would. Marcus Smart who was invaluable to the Celtics is a horrible offensive player even after 5 years and still got like 12M$ per year because of his defense.
Marcus and Frank have similar stats but Frank has room to improve and Smart has benefited from much much much better teammates throughout his career.
Frank at 4, 5M$ a year could be a bargain if he improves his efficiency on offense.


Smart has a different motor and a much more intense approach.

Which is why he is paid 12mm per and will be 26 years old this season. He is the player he is.
All of this “arguing” about frank is drawing conclusions about a player who just turned 21 and was still growing. Smart was a beast in college. Celtics have had a talented roster the last few years and he is valuable as a role player for them.
Parallel? Smart spent two years in college. Frank two years in the NBA. Smart NBA offense vs. his college has been a disappointment. Kid is a bulldog and earns his money with grit. Frank is a different player with a different skill set, body, and team.
Smart was the 6th pick in his draft.

After the France beat US game Knicks can auction Frank and 29 NBA teams will come to bargain for him.
You can get a lot of money out of it. But Knicks will not do this... Nobody want to potentially look as an idiot.

This front office will botch any frank trade in a heartbeat..and his NEW agent will request trade

(mark my words) if he's regulated to the bench.

You are right the Knicks are going to botch this big time. This team devalues what they really have always values what they don’t. Frank is not a player who is end of bench type player. His value and strength are his teammates. He thrives in system and has a really good basketball IQ. If you put Frank around scorers he is going to keep a lot of players happy. He is a leader unselfish to a fault but he is a leader and a winning type player.

100% agree..

Fiz or JH have/had no system and no clue on how to use him, and Fizdales heavy ISO is the last system on earth you want to put him, because that "BY FAR" is not his game.

You have to understand that players get better. Frank right now is better than the Frank that JH had aa a rookie, or that Fizz had last year. He was able to bulk up and fill out more right now. He also has been able to learn off of experiences he has had the last 2 years which isnt afforded to him when he first entered the league.

Rookie or 2nd yr Frank may not put up that level of performance. Which is why many of us have been preaching patience. The fact that Frank has been able to continue to develop while missing half of last season. Why playing in a Iso centric free style environment with the Knicks last season goes to show. Just let the kid work and lets see where he is at when the dust settles.

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9/12/2019  2:00 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
Nalod wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
arkrud wrote:
Nalod wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
shinmen wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Caseloads wrote:
ekstarks94 wrote:
technomaster wrote:Nice hesitation dribble at :59 second mark in the video, freed himself up for a nice open shot.

It's nice to see him playing well and contributing. If he could have a bunch of games just like this one (hit a couple of 3s, make some plays near the basket, and hit some teammates for open shots...), nothing exceptional, fans would fall in love all over again and start grumbling to see more of him.

As it stands, last season was extremely damaging for fan opinion of Ntilikina, and our expectations of him are extremely low (as is his trade value).

Never sell low


truth. never sell frank. always serviceable, always cheap.

why, is that because there's no player better than him at $5 million?

I keep asking (never got a answer from any frank fans) if frank was on another roster with the same stats, would you hope and pray that the FO traded for him?

It depends on the price but yes I would. Marcus Smart who was invaluable to the Celtics is a horrible offensive player even after 5 years and still got like 12M$ per year because of his defense.
Marcus and Frank have similar stats but Frank has room to improve and Smart has benefited from much much much better teammates throughout his career.
Frank at 4, 5M$ a year could be a bargain if he improves his efficiency on offense.


Smart has a different motor and a much more intense approach.

Which is why he is paid 12mm per and will be 26 years old this season. He is the player he is.
All of this “arguing” about frank is drawing conclusions about a player who just turned 21 and was still growing. Smart was a beast in college. Celtics have had a talented roster the last few years and he is valuable as a role player for them.
Parallel? Smart spent two years in college. Frank two years in the NBA. Smart NBA offense vs. his college has been a disappointment. Kid is a bulldog and earns his money with grit. Frank is a different player with a different skill set, body, and team.
Smart was the 6th pick in his draft.

After the France beat US game Knicks can auction Frank and 29 NBA teams will come to bargain for him.
You can get a lot of money out of it. But Knicks will not do this... Nobody want to potentially look as an idiot.

This front office will botch any frank trade in a heartbeat..and his NEW agent will request trade

(mark my words) if he's regulated to the bench.


We got your number. “if knicks botch it up FO looks bad, Rainman look good”. Then mills gets fired and then you “right”. But then you have another President with GM only on the job 2 years, and a coach with fresh staff just one. Then your talking revamp. President, GM and Coach all on same page for now. Team is young. Nothing I suggest or you will have great impact in short term.
Why not just root for Mills to do good and knicks succeed? Reality will take care of itself.

As for Frank, if we don’t extend him he is free at seasons end and value is Nil. So its not like we botch it, its what it is. Question becomes who wants him and offers best price. We either give him minutes or let him find his way elsewhere. You bring up a good point but botch it.

He says this when he has been practicelly willing to ship Frank off for a bag of peanuts.

He's worth a bag of peanuts to us because he doesn't play ISO ball, doesn't play high tempo/fast pace, doesn't jack up 3's, and we have no super/ALL stars to surround him with, even his gambles on defense will back fire because he has no defenders like Gobert behind him, or a defensive system.

It's like putting derrick rose in the triangle


And that USA team was super trash and not a real good test

That team was full of NBA players. On paper better than France. Much better.

You just said frank has nobody like Rudy behind him. Wrong, he has mitch. Mitch is not as good as Rudy. But he is 27 and in the league 6 years. Mitch is 21.
Frank has 7'2 wingspan from what I read.
Is it conceivable that Fiz who came from the Riley Tree actually has only one system and incapable of anything else? That any Riley/spolestra team was not defense oriented and that was where Fiz cut his teeth?
That you draw all that based on a roster that was tumultuous and young.

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9/12/2019  2:22 PM
I think Frank ensured his option gets picked up and Frankly that's a big win. I thought for sure they would decline the option. We have a lot more to gain by rolling the dice on Frank than we do on a different development project. I don't share the same sentiment on Frank as some do on this board as I have his ceiling not all that high. But if we end up with Chris Childs with a 7'2" wingspan I will definitely take it
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SupremeCommander wrote:I think Frank ensured his option gets picked up and Frankly that's a big win. I thought for sure they would decline the option. We have a lot more to gain by rolling the dice on Frank than we do on a different development project. I don't share the same sentiment on Frank as some do on this board as I have his ceiling not all that high. But if we end up with Chris Childs with a 7'2" wingspan I will definitely take it

What was displayed was the vision when drafting a prospect like Frank. Which is basically a piece that would help create Voltron. Multiple lengthy players that can cover ground accross the court iritating ball handlers, ability to shoot creating spacing, put the ball on the floor, creating for each other.

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9/12/2019  3:51 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:I think Frank ensured his option gets picked up and Frankly that's a big win. I thought for sure they would decline the option. We have a lot more to gain by rolling the dice on Frank than we do on a different development project. I don't share the same sentiment on Frank as some do on this board as I have his ceiling not all that high. But if we end up with Chris Childs with a 7'2" wingspan I will definitely take it

What was displayed was the vision when drafting a prospect like Frank. Which is basically a piece that would help create Voltron. Multiple lengthy players that can cover ground accross the court iritating ball handlers, ability to shoot creating spacing, put the ball on the floor, creating for each other.

I remain very high on him. When Frank is in and playing well he's going to make the whole team better, just like he's doing w/ France, like he did at Strausberg that got him drafted. Until it happens hes going to look bad.

Does anyone remember Draymond's first couple of years? No.. I dont either. I get the arguement that Draymond wasnt a lottery pick, but he would be if that lottery was redone and people draft players of his mold because the value is self evident.

The BIGGEST reason I want Frank to succeed is he's exactly the kind of player we need. Fingers crossed. It will be a telling year for many in the org

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9/12/2019  4:19 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:I think Frank ensured his option gets picked up and Frankly that's a big win. I thought for sure they would decline the option. We have a lot more to gain by rolling the dice on Frank than we do on a different development project. I don't share the same sentiment on Frank as some do on this board as I have his ceiling not all that high. But if we end up with Chris Childs with a 7'2" wingspan I will definitely take it

What was displayed was the vision when drafting a prospect like Frank. Which is basically a piece that would help create Voltron. Multiple lengthy players that can cover ground accross the court iritating ball handlers, ability to shoot creating spacing, put the ball on the floor, creating for each other.

I think he looked really good because he was playing alongside really good players. I'm not so sure he is a frist, second, or even third option. But clearly he showed he can be a very important piece

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