The same ppl that are hating now were defending his every flaw...

How dear KP look at our front office like a complete joke

The audacity of him to question our losing culture, he should be happy to be in the NBA on a awful team..

All that man ever asked was to show progress, show him that your serious about winning, and for that he's labeled a DIVA,A snake..

Were sitting here with a pick-up game roster for the 6th straight season

knicks1248 wrote:Wow..all the hate for KP funny how things change.

The same ppl that are hating now were defending his every flaw...

How dear KP look at our front office like a complete joke

The audacity of him to question our losing culture, he should be happy to be in the NBA on a awful team..

All that man ever asked was to show progress, show him that your serious about winning, and for that he's labeled a DIVA,A snake..

Were sitting here with a pick-up game roster for the 6th straight season

GustavBahler wrote:

arkrud wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Was OK with KP skipping the exit meeting. Phil was that bad. The tweets were embarassing, and that was just the beginning. Where he lost me was when he was backseat driving from the bench,with a season ending injury. Stars, and rising stars have some diva in them, but this went beyond that.

Its like the guy who watches a pick up game and talks trash. Who isnt close to getting on the court and backing it up. Not woke enough. Maybe Porzingis will figure things out in Dallas, dont care.

Latvia is little provincial country.
The mentality of the title nation is a bit... entitled.
The oppression by Russians, Germans, Swedes, and others left a mark of revenge.
Being tall makes you look at other people down.
We are not like this in Big Apple. We run from this.
May be he will fit nicely in Texas.

Dont believe its about nationality. Latvia looks like a nice country. Believe its more about KP's brother, and his need to be a "Stage Mom".

It is always wrong to generalize.
There are nice people and not so nice people in every country.
But specific cultural tendencies are always profound.
In US the race issues are in the forefront.
In Europe nationalism is the name of the game.
Especially in the countries which were occupied and local majority nation was mass-prosecuted.
This is sad reality for many nations in Europe Latvia included.
Think about more that thousand years of war, genocides, destruction, and bloodshed.
The migrants who think that they can find piece and security in Europe now facing the sad reality of nationalism almost everywhere they go.
And countries in East Europe even refuse to take them to not deal with backslash and need to protect foreigners from angry mobs.

He came here and all he wanted to do was play ball. The GM was pubically attacking the star on the team and putting him in the middle asking him to choose. Choose the organization or alienate himself in the locker room? you're a 21 year from Latvia playing in NYC and this is what you're dealing with. You want to practice, but there is no one to work with you or let you in the gym.

So what if you skip an exit interview. The place is run like a clown car. Are we in a better position because we have Dennis Smith and two draft picks? No we are not. We caved and folded.

smackeddog wrote:

MS wrote:I don't understand the venom towards KP.

He came here and all he wanted to do was play ball. The GM was pubically attacking the star on the team and putting him in the middle asking him to choose. Choose the organization or alienate himself in the locker room? you're a 21 year from Latvia playing in NYC and this is what you're dealing with. You want to practice, but there is no one to work with you or let you in the gym.

So what if you skip an exit interview. The place is run like a clown car. Are we in a better position because we have Dennis Smith and two draft picks? No we are not. We caved and folded.

I just find him an unlikeable guy, to be honest. Also the way he has a sense of entitlement- he hasn’t accomplished anything to warrant it.

The problem I have is that, there is always 2 sides to a story, you only heard the knicks FO side and you running with it.

Think about this, under the last 4 regimes (12+yrs) prior to Phill and Mills, not a single knick player requested a trade (except for marburyand that was because MDA benched him)yet your quick to side with the FO even though a different player is requesting a trade every season..

knicks1248 wrote:Wow..all the hate for KP funny how things change.

The same ppl that are hating now were defending his every flaw...

How dear KP look at our front office like a complete joke

The audacity of him to question our losing culture, he should be happy to be in the NBA on a awful team..

All that man ever asked was to show progress, show him that your serious about winning, and for that he's labeled a DIVA,A snake..

Were sitting here with a pick-up game roster for the 6th straight season

Would you have allowed KP's brother more power within the org? Would you have extended KP before free agency?

newyorknewyork wrote:

MS wrote:I don't understand the venom towards KP.

He came here and all he wanted to do was play ball. The GM was pubically attacking the star on the team and putting him in the middle asking him to choose. Choose the organization or alienate himself in the locker room? you're a 21 year from Latvia playing in NYC and this is what you're dealing with. You want to practice, but there is no one to work with you or let you in the gym.

So what if you skip an exit interview. The place is run like a clown car. Are we in a better position because we have Dennis Smith and two draft picks? No we are not. We caved and folded.

KP's "problem" with the Knicks culture was (1)that they didn't want to give his brother more power within the organizaton(Like what Mavs were willing to do, and what Clippers did for Kwahi's people). (2) They told him to wait out on him getting his max contract so they can attempt to sign other superatars.

KP missed half the previous year and all of this past season with injury. This had nothing to do with him being upset with how the Knicks were being run other than a power play for his own self interest.

newyorknewyork wrote:Dude has been a pro for 4 years and missed the last 1.5 years of that with his past injury. He shouldn't be demanding trades, he shouldn't expecting other superstars.

He has only played 48 games under Perry and didn't play any games for Fizz. This narrative that the FO has been did him wrong, or failed him in anyway is nonsense.

Knicks had the best odds for the #1 pick and tons of cap space to go with a couple of other prospects already on the roster. Lets not act like they had no route to improve. They could have practically made the same moves minus Randle and Knick would be considered a playoff team with a healthy KP right now.

Barrett and KP could have been a real nice duo of the future. Then there is Mitch!

West is also way harder than the East. Looking forward to the lotto pick in 2021 Mavs gonna give us.

Best odds for landing Zion was 14.5%. That's 84.% odds against. I Fans anger dilutes this statistic. If the plan was "Top three", then we succeeded. Fact is we beat the odds. To say we "dropped" and how stupid tanking was then one really has to look at the fact were were only assured top 5 pick. That's it.

As for the KP's He has been in the league 3 full seasons and missed about half the games. Im not a pro scout nor can properly evaluate beyond what I saw. A kid with great skill and potential but a body that has not proven to hold up. He was wanted $158mm and would have missed 20 months. He has proven to not be a reliable face of the franchise or the desire to see him self as the core to build on. If he sees the knicks as not having a past of building then he is projecting on hindsight. If he sees knicks are fundamentally building on more traditional decisions and can make trades in time but has no confidence then I understand. Time for all to move on. Its unfortunate. Dallas was not his choice. He does have a solid rookie Luka to build with and he should feel good about. That an owner who was willing to bank on him. At the ;end of the day Janis don't play nor does Dolan step on the court. Mills/Perry/Fiz are on the clock now a year. That's my clock as a fan. President hires his GM, then hires his coach. Fair or not, I don't consider Mills first tenure with Isiah viable. I don't consider his tenure under Phil. PHil had all the responsibility. When Phil was shown the door, its on Mills. I thought him and Perry had a really tough decision to make with KP and was pragmatic about it. The logic was solid. Hindsight will tell the full story over time. One has to always consider who was in the room when the decision was made and what was the cards on the table at that very moment. What deal was being offered, KP's health, his leverage and that of the team. All that without the clarity of hindsight. Its a tough business.