However I won't yet trust outcomes of team, despite the patience we'd need as Knicks Fans.
Recall Steve Mills & owner JJDolan are good friends & this and that.

I don't feel thats a "Good" formula for change and having NBA talent free agents want to
come to NY and be part of change to improve Knicks to contending seriously status.

Steve Mills, seems like a nice quiet guy and been around sports NBA a long time.
Mills his record in those roles is 163-329, the worst six-season stretch in NYK franchise history

Mills is preaching patience however I feel Mills number #1 job is to Please owner Jim Dolan, period.

I'm find with waiting a bit, developing Youth and getting better hopefully through experience
and drafting.

Primary issue I'll have is failures in bringing in allstar Or superstar to Knickerbockers to go
along with rebuilding earning respect and wins!. TOO many years too many excuses and too many
CON's jobs and too many years of NBA best not ever wanting to come $ to Knickerbocker teams.

DJMUSIC wrote:Steve Mills Knicks president on his 2nd Knick stint never really went away too far
from MSG sports operations and Knicks, back for recent seasons as President.

However I won't yet trust outcomes of team, despite the patience we'd need as Knicks Fans.
Recall Steve Mills & owner JJDolan are good friends & this and that.

I don't feel thats a "Good" formula for change and having NBA talent free agents want to
come to NY and be part of change to improve Knicks to contending seriously status.

Steve Mills, seems like a nice quiet guy and been around sports NBA a long time.
Mills his record in those roles is 163-329, the worst six-season stretch in NYK franchise history

Mills is preaching patience however I feel Mills number #1 job is to Please owner Jim Dolan, period.

I'm find with waiting a bit, developing Youth and getting better hopefully through experience
and drafting.

Primary issue I'll have is failures in bringing in allstar Or superstar to Knickerbockers to go
along with rebuilding earning respect and wins!. TOO many years too many excuses and too many
CON's jobs and too many years of NBA best not ever wanting to come $ to Knickerbocker teams.

Agree that Mills is part of the change that should have occurred as he and Dolan were a BIG part of the problem. However, the biggest change will come in WINNING. Inece we have a little bit of that, players will be more likely to want to come here. Winning solves everything.
Always said Mills is an Ivy League corporate spider. A yes man to Dolan. His only goal is to survive and get his golden parachute. However maybe just maybe, he is finally realizing that the way to get that is by building a young winning team and repairing the bad perception. Think Perry is helping with that.

Nalod wrote:
IN my opinion by his actions Dolan had had trust issues with Checketts successors. Grunfeld did a really good job but Dolan chose Ewing over Nelson. JVG was Ewings guy. JVG and Grunfeld were at conflict. Grunfeld wanted uptempo and Jeff was not down with that. Surprise run to 1999 finals kicked in a 2 year big money extension to JVG. It was not expected and JVG was gonna get canned. Instead Dolan fired Grunfeld. He hires Layden and underminded him when possible and thus he hires Isiah who he trusted. Mills is MSG exec in the Isiah stink and has to deal with the Anucha mess. Dolan does everything wrong. I suspect Mills eventually earned Dolans respect and trust in this time. Either by being a "Yes man" or actually providing an opinion that Dolan did not adhere to. Dolan did not trust Walsh or Grunwald. He brings Mills back after league was going to hire MIlls but then starphuchs with Phil.

Since Phil left has Mills done anything egregiously wrong to warrant that he fully be responsible for years of mismanagement? Im not giving him credit for doing anything worthy of a miracle but this organization is being run like it has not been in the Dolan era. Other than Hardaway, which was really not a franchise killer what Has mills/perry done fundamentally that was so god awful bad? The baggage before he took over is not applicable given the role he had. PHil was totally in charge.

Its possible as long as dolan still holds the deed to the team we might never make a string of organizational decisions in length to create a contending franchise.
As bad as our record was last year there was more than meets the eye in terms of future dev elopment. This franchise has not earned the benefit of the doubt so media slant might be warranted.

Mills is an knick employee. I get why he is not to be trusted quite yet. He has done all the right things but has not done anything proven. I get it. Im not delusional. But at the same time im not going to blame him as the architect of the last 20 years.

<<<But at the same time im not going to blame him as the architect of the last 20 years.
>>>

Very Well said ! Nalod... and also same for HofstraBBall point on Mills.

My worries The Knicks & WE KNICKS FANS are in a rut!
Long long time since NBA had winners or playoffs success from our Knick team.

Consensus in League currrent or older players, new players is that NO ONE NEEDs NY or has to come to play for the Knicks
based on Circus Owner JJDolan created. IT ain't 100% Dolan fault either, he knows NO basketball.

However back to my point of very good Players OR STARs wanting to come to NY Knickerbockerland

I Do not see the players coming here because of Steve Mills OR his resume of Non-success. Mills don't even have a Good Hoops resume
as player Or any experiences positive with HS, College hoops or part of a "Winning" establishment.

Simply said if we must depend on BETTER or the BEST cream of crop, few stars to ever want to come join Knickerbockers
os be in NewYork, We ain't going to see that easy cause of Steve Mills and James Dolan. These names do not excite
prospects of New York Success.

If I was a NBA hopeful stud or great college player I would not want to come to Knicks cause I'm sure many never even
Know whom James Dolan Or Steve Mills is. Steve Mills is in tough position I don't think he can attract BEST FA (free agents)
It didn't work with Bigger names like Phil Jackson And other than Knicks sell out OR Neither Mills OR Dolan is signing checks
of Knickerbocker basketball business, we're gonna be here another several yrs. to 5 yrs? waiting for a winnner.

We can't build cause we won't fess up the wrong people Are on top of this Knickebocker franchise organization for way way to long,
it all ending in very bad story for Knicks success going forward and getting right players into New York period.
(*soley my opinion)

Jmpasq wrote:

Nalod wrote:
IN my opinion by his actions Dolan had had trust issues with Checketts successors. Grunfeld did a really good job but Dolan chose Ewing over Nelson. JVG was Ewings guy. JVG and Grunfeld were at conflict. Grunfeld wanted uptempo and Jeff was not down with that. Surprise run to 1999 finals kicked in a 2 year big money extension to JVG. It was not expected and JVG was gonna get canned. Instead Dolan fired Grunfeld. He hires Layden and underminded him when possible and thus he hires Isiah who he trusted. Mills is MSG exec in the Isiah stink and has to deal with the Anucha mess. Dolan does everything wrong. I suspect Mills eventually earned Dolans respect and trust in this time. Either by being a "Yes man" or actually providing an opinion that Dolan did not adhere to. Dolan did not trust Walsh or Grunwald. He brings Mills back after league was going to hire MIlls but then starphuchs with Phil.

Since Phil left has Mills done anything egregiously wrong to warrant that he fully be responsible for years of mismanagement? Im not giving him credit for doing anything worthy of a miracle but this organization is being run like it has not been in the Dolan era. Other than Hardaway, which was really not a franchise killer what Has mills/perry done fundamentally that was so god awful bad? The baggage before he took over is not applicable given the role he had. PHil was totally in charge.

Its possible as long as dolan still holds the deed to the team we might never make a string of organizational decisions in length to create a contending franchise.
As bad as our record was last year there was more than meets the eye in terms of future development. This franchise has not earned the benefit of the doubt so media slant might be warranted.

Mills is an knick employee. I get why he is not to be trusted quite yet. He has done all the right things but has not done anything proven. I get it. Im not delusional. But at the same time im not going to blame him as the architect of the last 20 years.

He gave Hardaway Jr an awful contract forcing us to take a less than stellar return for Porzingis. We probably get another first rounder without Hardaway Jr. SO yeah he has made mistakes. The guy gave Ron Baker the meme maker 8 million dollars. Thats frickin awful

IM here to promote Mills as a god send, but what this team is doing NOW is what matters most. WTF anyway, look for reasons to be HOPEFUL or pull out history to be be otherwise? IM not selling you a rose future other than recognition there has been a notable change in philosophy. KP was a drafted all star to build on. He Proved otherwise. It set us back. Mills did not break him. Fate did.

Nalod wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Nalod wrote:
IN my opinion by his actions Dolan had had trust issues with Checketts successors. Grunfeld did a really good job but Dolan chose Ewing over Nelson. JVG was Ewings guy. JVG and Grunfeld were at conflict. Grunfeld wanted uptempo and Jeff was not down with that. Surprise run to 1999 finals kicked in a 2 year big money extension to JVG. It was not expected and JVG was gonna get canned. Instead Dolan fired Grunfeld. He hires Layden and underminded him when possible and thus he hires Isiah who he trusted. Mills is MSG exec in the Isiah stink and has to deal with the Anucha mess. Dolan does everything wrong. I suspect Mills eventually earned Dolans respect and trust in this time. Either by being a "Yes man" or actually providing an opinion that Dolan did not adhere to. Dolan did not trust Walsh or Grunwald. He brings Mills back after league was going to hire MIlls but then starphuchs with Phil.

Since Phil left has Mills done anything egregiously wrong to warrant that he fully be responsible for years of mismanagement? Im not giving him credit for doing anything worthy of a miracle but this organization is being run like it has not been in the Dolan era. Other than Hardaway, which was really not a franchise killer what Has mills/perry done fundamentally that was so god awful bad? The baggage before he took over is not applicable given the role he had. PHil was totally in charge.

Its possible as long as dolan still holds the deed to the team we might never make a string of organizational decisions in length to create a contending franchise.
As bad as our record was last year there was more than meets the eye in terms of future development. This franchise has not earned the benefit of the doubt so media slant might be warranted.

Mills is an knick employee. I get why he is not to be trusted quite yet. He has done all the right things but has not done anything proven. I get it. Im not delusional. But at the same time im not going to blame him as the architect of the last 20 years.

He gave Hardaway Jr an awful contract forcing us to take a less than stellar return for Porzingis. We probably get another first rounder without Hardaway Jr. SO yeah he has made mistakes. The guy gave Ron Baker the meme maker 8 million dollars. Thats frickin awful

Sure. Look up hardaways statistics and his salary among peers. not god awful. Baker made 4mm a year. Get over it, its not like that prevented anyone from being here. Follow other teams, even good ones and they pay up for avg. player. Teams always have regrettable contracts. Mills was not great, but Hardaways contract was not a franchise killer. Not even close. This team has been plucked for years.
Also look at what happened, Phil got bounced and we needed a young player like Hardaway to pair with KP asap. when both were healthy it was not bad. Team was .500 for a stretch and Hardaway needed th chill out and let the game come to him.

IM here to promote Mills as a god send, but what this team is doing NOW is what matters most. WTF anyway, look for reasons to be HOPEFUL or pull out history to be be otherwise? IM not selling you a rose future other than recognition there has been a notable change in philosophy. KP was a drafted all star to build on. He Proved otherwise. It set us back. Mills did not break him. Fate did.

Perry comes in and removes everything from the Phil regime, short of all the nice draft picks he inherited. And Frank, which probably will be the next and last part of the purge.

Yea yea ...I know Jim Dolan had to approve
My point is your/Our knicks had Zeke, Dolan
And Mills with proven record crime nothing
Good ever came out of it!

Mills in picture cannot possibly be any hope
Or faith he'll get this thing right, for nyk
Success.

Just an opinion, I dont know the answers but
Dolan isn't going nowhere neither is Mills.

Reason why Knicks are not in any good
Talks in past, present and future of FA's
Or deals/trades ever coming to NY.

NY isn't a landing spot just because we good
Fans here in city want a winner.

Until we win, or have stars or pieces to be
Talk in NBA, WE are irrelevant
.... until RJ comes of age (as star) and/or
Gets some help.

Tired of being irrelevant knicks though I
Like fact we got draft picks in few yrs.
Upcoming.

So we wait, pray and we'll see.

Nalod wrote:Research it. Mills did not hire Isiah.

Steve Mills let go, after several years & after the hires of Zeke Thomas
And Anuch Brown Sanders controversy embarrassment by Zeke Thomas.

May 7 2009,S.Mills leaving MSG
https://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=4150154

Nalod wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:

Nalod wrote:Research it. Mills did not hire Isiah.

Steve Mills let go, after several years & after the hires of Zeke Thomas
And Anuch Brown Sanders controversy embarrassment by Zeke Thomas.

May 7 2009,S.Mills leaving MSG
https://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=4150154

Good find and no doubt the words say it. As MSG president Mills would have hired Isiah but what I would dispute is if Dolan told him to.
The President does what the chairman tells you to. Did Mills encourage Dolan to fight Isiah's Anucha implications and eventual trail?
Did Mills recommend Isiah be fired? Mills was let go after the Anucha payout. Isiah was extended.
Was it Mills idea? And at what point does a mistake get corrected.

Did Mills hire Phil? nope. Did Mills actually hire Isiah? My take is Dolan hires these people.
My faith is not in Mills but in the process of what knicks are doing. Not starphuching FO, not starphuching players.
Im not proposing we make the playoffs this year. My hope is we win 30 games and our core youth progresses.

I fully do not expect every draft pick to. The obvious outlier is Frank. No team in memory hits all their picks. Even high lottery. If we wiff on frank but hit on Mitch its why Im a proponent on keeping picks. Im not unique. Knox and Mitch have huge upside. RJ too.

Look at anyteam's draft history and you find "Mistakes". Easy to have faith when things have a good history. This one is a fundamental leap.
Isiah was a disaster. Does not mean Mills will be. My timeline started when phil was shown the door.

Its all I got.

I hear ya, Nalod
We will see. Mills will be on spotlight.. not Dolan

HofstraBBall wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:Steve Mills Knicks president on his 2nd Knick stint never really went away too far
from MSG sports operations and Knicks, back for recent seasons as President.

However I won't yet trust outcomes of team, despite the patience we'd need as Knicks Fans.
Recall Steve Mills & owner JJDolan are good friends & this and that.

I don't feel thats a "Good" formula for change and having NBA talent free agents want to
come to NY and be part of change to improve Knicks to contending seriously status.

Steve Mills, seems like a nice quiet guy and been around sports NBA a long time.
Mills his record in those roles is 163-329, the worst six-season stretch in NYK franchise history

Mills is preaching patience however I feel Mills number #1 job is to Please owner Jim Dolan, period.

I'm find with waiting a bit, developing Youth and getting better hopefully through experience
and drafting.

Primary issue I'll have is failures in bringing in allstar Or superstar to Knickerbockers to go
along with rebuilding earning respect and wins!. TOO many years too many excuses and too many
CON's jobs and too many years of NBA best not ever wanting to come $ to Knickerbocker teams.

Agree that Mills is part of the change that should have occurred as he and Dolan were a BIG part of the problem. However, the biggest change will come in WINNING. Inece we have a little bit of that, players will be more likely to want to come here. Winning solves everything.
Always said Mills is an Ivy League corporate spider. A yes man to Dolan. His only goal is to survive and get his golden parachute. However maybe just maybe, he is finally realizing that the way to get that is by building a young winning team and repairing the bad perception. Think Perry is helping with that.

I 100% agree.

I just don't think you can start winning with a bunch of rental players.

I think the one shot you have at winning with this group is putting in system that absolutely caters to everyone's skill set, and Identifying roles from Day 1.

We have a roster right now where the talent level is almost even from 1 to 12, and we have a lot of guys willing to go 1 on 5 to try prove themselves.